Why? Private Moment Made Public, and a Fatal Jump

Michael Scally MD

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Private Moment Made Public, and a Fatal Jump
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/nyregion/30suicide.html?_r=1&hp

[I am sickened by this report. As a species, we continually outdo the depravity and ugliness we reap upon one another. I am glad for my eternal optimism and the confidence that science/rational thought beats out fanaticism, always.]

September 29, 2010
By LISA W. FODERARO

It started with a Twitter message on Sept. 19: “Roommate asked for the room till midnight. I went into molly’s room and turned on my webcam. I saw him making out with a dude. Yay.”

That night, the authorities say, the Rutgers University student who sent the message used a camera hidden in his dormitory room to broadcast the roommate’s intimate encounter live on the Internet.

And three days later, the roommate who had been surreptitiously filmed — Tyler Clementi, an 18-year-old freshman and an accomplished violist — jumped from the George Washington Bridge into the Hudson River in an apparent suicide.

The Sept. 22 death, which the authorities disclosed on Wednesday, was the second high-profile suicide this year that followed alleged incidents of cyber-bullying. In January, a high school student in South Hadley, Mass., hanged herself in her home after months of reported harassment by a group of students on Web sites and in text messages.

The news of Mr. Clementi’s suicide came on the same day that Rutgers kicked off a two-year, campuswide project to teach the importance of civility, with special attention to bullying and the use and abuse of new technology.

Those who knew Mr. Clementi — on the Rutgers campus in Piscataway, N.J., at his North Jersey high school and in a community orchestra — were anguished by the circumstances surrounding his death, describing him as intensely devoted musician who was sweet and shy.

“It’s really awful, especially in New York and in the 21st century,” said Arkady Leytush, artistic director of the Ridgewood Symphony Orchestra, where Mr. Clementi played since his freshman year in high school. “It’s so painful. He was very friendly and had very good potential.”

The Middlesex County Prosecutor’s office said that Mr. Clementi’s roommate, Dharun Ravi, 18, of Plainsboro, N.J., and another classmate, Molly Wei, 18, of Plainsboro, N.J., had each been charged with two counts of invasion of privacy for using “the camera to view and transmit a live image” of Mr. Clementi. The most severe charges carry a maximum sentence of five years in jail.

Mr. Ravi was charged with two additional counts of invasion of privacy for attempting a similar live feed on the Internet on Sept. 21, the day before the suicide. A spokesman for the prosecutor’s office, James O’Neill, said the investigation was continuing, but he declined to “speculate on additional charges.”

Steven Goldstein, chairman of the gay rights group Garden State Equality, said on Wednesday that he considered the death a hate crime. “We are sickened that anyone in our society, such as the students allegedly responsible for making the surreptitious video, might consider destroying other’s lives as a sport,” he said in a statement. “As this case makes its way through the legal system, we can only hope the alleged perpetrators receive the maximum possible sentence.”

It is unclear whether Mr. Clementi was openly gay at Rutgers; he had just started his first semester, and classmates say he mostly kept to himself. Danielle Birnbohm, a freshman who lived across the hall from him in Davidson Hall, said that when a counselor asked how many students had known Mr. Clementi, only 3 students out of 50 raised their hands.

But a favorite quote that Mr. Clementi displayed on his Facebook page — from the song “I’ll Never Fall in Love Again” — indicates that he was, at least to some degree, public with his sexual orientation: “What do you get when you kiss a guy? You get enough germs to catch pneumonia.”

And the Twitter message from Mr. Ravi makes plain that his roommate was aware of it.

A later message from Mr. Ravi appeared to make reference to the second attempt to broadcast Mr. Clementi. “Anyone with iChat,” he wrote on Sept. 21, “I dare you to video chat me between the hours of 9:30 and 12. Yes, it’s happening again.”

Mr. Clementi’s family issued a statement on Wednesday confirming the suicide and pledging cooperation with the criminal investigation. “Tyler was a fine young man, and a distinguished musician,” the statement read. “The family is heartbroken beyond words.”

While Mr. Clementi’s body has not been recovered, witnesses told the police they saw a man jump off the bridge just before 9 on Sept. 22, said Paul J. Browne, the New York Police Department’s chief spokesman. Officers discovered a wallet there with his identification, Mr. Browne said.

The police said Wednesday night that they had found the body of a young man in the Hudson north of the bridge, and were trying to identify it.

Officials at Ridgewood High School, where Mr. Clementi graduated in June, last week alerted parents of current students that his family had reported him missing, and encouraged students to take advantage of counseling at the school.

The timing of the news was almost uncanny, coinciding with the start of “Project Civility” at Rutgers, the state university of New Jersey. Long in the planning, the campaign will involve panel discussions, lectures, workshops and other events intended to raise awareness about the importance of respect, compassion and courtesy in everyday interactions.

Events scheduled for this fall include a workshop for students and administrators on residential life on campus, called “Respect Resides at Rutgers,” and a panel discussion titled “Uncivil Gadgets? Changing Technologies and Civil Behavior.”

Rutgers officials would not comment on the death or the arrests, or say whether the two defendants had been suspended. But a spokeswoman issued a statement saying that “the university takes these matters very seriously and has policies in place to deal with student behavior.”

Mr. Ravi was freed on $25,000 bail, and Ms. Wei, was released on her own recognizance. The lawyer for Mr. Ravi, Steven D. Altman, declined to comment on the accusations. A phone message left at the offices of William A. Fox, Ms. Wei’s lawyer, was not returned.

Some students on the Busch campus in Piscataway seemed dazed by the turn of events, remembering their last glimpse of Mr. Clementi. Thomas Jung, 19, who shared a music stand with Mr. Clementi in the Rutgers Symphony Orchestra, had also played with him in a selective regional orchestra in high school.

On Wednesday afternoon, hours before Mr. Clementi’s death, the two rehearsed works by Berlioz and Beethoven. Mr. Jung recalled the times they shot each other glances and laughed during difficult passages.

“He loved music,” Mr. Jung said. “He was very dedicated. I couldn’t tell if anything was wrong.”
 
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We all have secrets, dark corners of our lives we hope never reach daylight. It is a shame that someone chose to shine a very public light into an unwilling, unknowing life. It saddened me to read this; made me think twice about my hidden darkness.
 
Private Moment Made Public, and a Fatal Jump
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/nyregion/30suicide.html?_r=1&hp

[I am sickened by this report. As a species, we continually outdo the depravity and ugliness we reap upon one another. I am glad for my eternal optimism and the confidence that science/rational thought beats out fanaticism, always.]

ironically, i find myself hoping someone outdoes themselves unleashing ugliness and depravity on the victim's tormentors.[}:)]
 
ironically, i find myself hoping someone outdoes themselves unleashing ugliness and depravity on the victim's tormentors.[}:)]


I can understand and empathize with your post, but a far better course is the legal path. I am hopeful for a full and vigorous prosecution. And, I mean FULL (murder/manslaughter/hate crime).
 
not to be too insensitkive on this but look at it from this angle.

If he did not see it as wrong, why would he commit suicide?

he clearly felt what he did was wrong, so why was he not afraid that god was watching? Surely god knows and sees all so why are you not worried about him and yet worry about other people finding out. Who is more important, god or people. Infront of god its okay to do gay things but when people see you thats the end????
 
not to be too insensitkive on this but look at it from this angle.

If he did not see it as wrong, why would he commit suicide?

he clearly felt what he did was wrong, so why was he not afraid that god was watching? Surely god knows and sees all so why are you not worried about him and yet worry about other people finding out. Who is more important, god or people. Infront of god its okay to do gay things but when people see you thats the end????

buggerer!!!!!!
 
not to be too insensitkive on this but look at it from this angle.

If he did not see it as wrong, why would he commit suicide?

he clearly felt what he did was wrong, so why was he not afraid that god was watching? Surely god knows and sees all so why are you not worried about him and yet worry about other people finding out. Who is more important, god or people. Infront of god its okay to do gay things but when people see you thats the end????

hey asshole, ur country is a shithole, ur faith is a silly self-serving lie, and u r a demented yet broken psychopathic rapist (and who knows what else) peddling warmed over witchcraft on a science-based board.

let's hope one of ur stupid herbal remedies kills u quickly.;)
 
what im i not allowed an opinion on gay issues if they conflict with yours, the bible torah and quran say being gay is wrong, i agree. It just is not right and is an abomination. Iy disgusts me and i am entitled to my opinion.Being gay attracts gods wrath.
 
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what im i not allowed an opinion on gay issues if they conflict with yours, the bible torah and quran say being gay is wrong, i agree. It just is not right and is an abomination. Iy disgusts me and i am entitled to my opinion.Being gay attracts gods wrath.

u can have ur stupid opinion, but when u presume to share it, u can have ur stupid opinion rebutted. especially when ur stupid enough to offer ur stupid and stupidly insensitive opinion in a stupidly insensitive manner at a stupidly insensitive time, while first disclaiming stupidly "not to be too insensiktive"(sic).

i'd love to know what stupidity u EDITED from ur stupid response, stupid. :popcorn:
 
Listen JETON, you are gay so you are biased.

I dislike gaydom cos it is what our religion teaches us. I have my right to think homosexuality is wrong twisted and unnatural. You got to respect that just as many straight men tolerate you, you got to tolerate our opinions too. These days i am quite mellow and tolerant and live and let live, when i was late teens we used to go around and beat gay people up who used to gather at the local park as a meeting place. I used to feel they deserved it for being gay and that god punishes gay people with aids and tragedies and they deserve it cos of their gay acts which anger god. I was very harsh back then, nowadays i dont care what you do as long as i dont see it, you dont want to do it with me and you dont shove it in my face or try and call me gay. Cos i know you going to come with this line next, dont bother. I have had that a lot, gay people saying i am gay really but have it repressed whatever the fuck that means. I am not gay, i know what i like, i like myself some pussy. Pussy is number one. Ever since i was 13 i was jacking of to women. Women cause spontaneous erections. I like myself effeminate girls. I am dominant and hate dominance in women. That makes me a very straight man and a traditional man.

So screw you. You should show the same tolerance.
 
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Something like this saddens me deeply as bullying is a very real problem. It is plain wrong to be surreptitiously taping such an act and broadcasting it to the world. When bullying results in the death of the person being bullied it crosses the line to plain murder.
 
The Sept. 22 death, which the authorities disclosed on Wednesday, was the second high-profile suicide this year that followed alleged incidents of cyber-bullying. In January, a high school student in South Hadley, Mass., hanged herself in her home after months of reported harassment by a group of students on Web sites and in text messages.

this is like 10 minutes from my parents house, i remember when this happened. Super fucked up
 
Tyler Clementi Remembered At Rutgers (VIDEO)
Tyler Clementi Remembered At Rutgers (VIDEO)

This weekend, Rutgers University honored the life of freshman Tyler Clementi, who committed suicide last week.

Clementi jumped off the George Washington Bridge sometime after Sept. 22 after he discovered that his roommate, Dharun Ravi, had broadcast a sexual encounter that he had without his knowledge. Ravi and another Rutgers freshman, Molly Wei, are facing invasion of privacy charges.

People -- gay, straight, young, old -- came together from all over New Jersey to meditate on a life gone too soon.

The Daily Targum has more:

Rick Brown, a class of 1973 alumnus from Aberdeen, N.J., waived a rainbow-colored flag throughout the vigil and recalled coming out of the closet during his first year at the University.

"When I saw Tyler's picture I just thought, 'What a terrible loss for the world,'" he said. "It's caused me to think, 'Maybe there's some struggling, young gay people around that I could just say hi to.'
 
Community holds vigil for Clementi
http://www.dailytargum.com/news/community-holds-vigil-for-clementi-1.2352679

By Colleen Roache

No one said they had to be there, but among the mass of people who stood on the steps of Brower Commons on the College Avenue campus last night, there was a sense of needing to be present in order to commemorate an absence.

University students, faculty and those who simply wanted to honor the life of University student Tyler Clementi - who committed suicide last week after his roommate allegedly used a webcam to transmit his intimate encounter with a male - convened with candles for a vigil in memoriam.

"Tonight begins the process of healing," said Jenny Kurtz, acting director for the Center for Social Justice Education and LGBT Communities.

Various campus organizations and departments, including Bisexual, Gay and Lesbian Alliance at Rutgers University; RU Pride; Queer Caucus; the School of Arts and Sciences and the Institute for Women's Leadership, sponsored the memorial, during which the area outside Brower Commons was silent for about half an hour as attendees remembered Clementi.

"In the wake of recent tragedies [on our campus] and schools and universities nationwide, much kindness is extended to the Rutgers community," Kurtz said. "Our thoughts and prayers go out to all the communities and individuals impacted by these events."

BiGLARU co-President Ronni Auld was glad to see unfamiliar faces last night.

"There were a lot of faces that you don't really see at [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender events] that I recognized as straight allies," said Auld, a School of Arts and Sciences sophomore. "It was a good opportunity as a Rutgers community to come together as one."

Jose Santiago, also co-president of BiGLARU, said Clementi's situation mirrors one that is common in the LGBT community.

"What happens with so many young people who are LGBT, the thing that unites us all is that we have to come out of the closet," said Santiago, a School of Arts and Sciences senior. "It's not fun, it's not easy, it is not pleasurable in any way. I think the day that we are all truly equal is the day that coming out of the closet no longer exists."

Rick Brown, a class of 1973 alumnus from Aberdeen, N.J., waived a rainbow-colored flag throughout the vigil and recalled coming out of the closet during his first year at the University.

"When I saw Tyler's picture I just thought, ‘What a terrible loss for the world,'" he said. "It's caused me to think, ‘Maybe there's some struggling, young gay people around that I could just say hi to.'"

Abena Busia, professor of English and women's studies who has taught at the University for 30 years, was disturbed by the events the led to last night's vigil.

"I am profoundly saddened and profoundly disturbed on a number of levels," she said. "A part of me felt we failed our children - that two young people had no moral compass."

Still, she said the University itself has a history of standing against injustice.

"This university as an institution really has been at the forefront of social justice for at least the last 50 or 60 years," she said. "So I am a witness to the work this university has done. This is a university that has not been afraid of stepping out and reaching out."

Rutgers University Student Assembly President Yousef Saleh was pleased with what he saw at the vigil and said he will meet with the University officials and LGBT groups on campus to determine ways to help the community.

"I am so proud to be a Rutgers student, just to see every race, color, creed come out and support everyone else, it brought tears to my eyes," said Saleh, a School of Arts and Sciences senior. "We have never been more united. Our University will grow and the entire country will grow as a result of this."

Representatives from schools across the state came to show that what happens at the University, the state's largest college, affects them as well.

School of Engineering senior Paige Sackett embraced the support from other students.

"I don't know anyone here, and I go to this school," she said. "It's nice to see that people from all over the school and all over the area are coming out to support the cause."

Bearing signs that read "The LGBT &' ally community of Princeton University send our love and support," and "Princeton stands in solidarity with Rutgers," students came out to show that their support knows no bounds.

Princeton University sophomore Christina Hendricks said the community at her school wants to continue reaching out to those at the University and show support.

"Princeton University comes in solidarity with Rutgers, as are many nationwide," she said.

Rider University senior Chris Shepherd, vice president of his college's Gay-Straight Alliance, said he and other GSA members attended the vigil to support the University, just as he hoped others would do for them.

"We just wanted to share the compassion we had over what happened here," he said.

Montclair State University senior Matthew Schmidt, who is openly gay, said he came to College Avenue to show other people that it is OK to be themselves. He said those who struggle with identity should never consider suicide as an option.

"I hit rock bottom before, and I did come out of it a stronger person," he said. "I just want everyone to know that things will always get better."

Justin Mersinger, a Rider senior and president of the GSA, was pleased to see that all different types of people came to the vigil.

"I think it was really great to see the variety - there were little kids, old, young, gay, straight," he said. "Change needs to come and it needs to come now, because what happened is not acceptable."

Amber Currie, a senior at Rider and vice president of development for the GSA was also glad to see the diversity among attendees at the vigil - especially when it came to faith.

"That's really great just to see the variety in religion because that's something that doesn't clash too well with all of this," she said. "It's good to see."

Religious leaders from the University and the surrounding area also came to share their thoughts with the crowd.

University Humanist chaplain Barry Klassel said the recent events have affects his family and other people he knows. He stressed that everyone needs a safe environment to learn, grow and develop.

"Everything that happens is an opportunity … to change attitudes we might have," he said. "We saw in a tragedy an opportunity to rededicate ourselves to our highest values and our highest ideals."

Kevin Taylor, pastor at Unity Fellowship Church, stressed taking action after the vigil ended.

"My prayer is that our act becomes something greater," he said. "Sometimes in all of our technology and our running and our coming and our going, we stop to … remember that we're human beings. Your act of social justice tonight is to pay attention."

University President Richard L. McCormick and Vice President for Student Affairs Gregory S. Blimling also attended the vigil but did not make any comments.
 
Stand up to homophobes
http://www.dailytargum.com/mobile/opinions/stand-up-to-homophobes-1.2350492

[Rutgers] Daily Targum
The Friday Rants
By Sean Curtis

The news of the death of an innocent young man this week swept the University campus. Many are furious, many are heartbroken, most of us are ashamed. University first-year student Tyler Clementi's suicide is a stark reminder of how far we as a University still have to go until we can call ourselves a school of diversity and acceptance. The rest of the nation now sees that as well. But to me, the most disturbing aspect of this story is not the fact that someone would be despicable enough to invade a roommate's privacy. No, the most horrifying part is the fact that Tyler felt ashamed enough of his sexuality to kill himself because others had discovered it and made it public. As much blame as we may want to put on School of Arts and Sciences first-year student Dharun Ravi for breaching another man's privacy or the University for failing to set up "safe spaces," the blame lies completely with us - each and every student and faculty member here at Rutgers - for failing to create an environment where Clementi would have felt safe, secure and comfortable with himself.

Had this been an incident where a heterosexual couple was spied on, there would have been no suicide. High-fives would be passed around between pigs, and the girl would be just another one of those poor victims of sick voyeurism that float all over the Internet. But because Tyler was a homosexual, the incident was deadly. I have no doubts whatsoever that Tyler was surrounded with anti-gay sentiments every day, as we all are. We still hear the words "queer" and "faggot" pass between people on a daily basis, whether it is jokingly or truly malicious, and it is the usage of words like these that continue the delusion that there is something wrong with homosexuality. So much so that many homosexuals themselves feel there is something wrong with it, as Tyler probably did when he took his own life.

The truth is plain and simple: There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is not a defect, it is not a sin, it is not a disease. To preach otherwise is the true sin, and homophobia is the real disease. If we are to prevent tragedies such as this from ever occurring again, we must find the cure quickly. The sooner we destroy the bigotry and taboos that surround homosexuality, the sooner we can start saving lives and start calling ourselves a diverse and accepting school. I urge every student at the University to make a stand against homophobia. Speak up against bigotry and hatred, stop the usage of hurtful words and embrace those who are different. You just might learn something.

I applaud the efforts of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community and Robert O'Brien, Department of Anthropology assistant instructor, for seeking a change at the University. But we must remember, we cannot look solely to the administration or any other leading political body to rid our communities of hatred and disrespect. Doing so only takes responsibility away from the individuals who sit idly and allow such tragedies to occur. No matter what kind of programs, policies or "safe spaces" our University establishes, the gay community, as well as other minorities, will continue to be harassed and discriminated against if we do not urge the individual students to change. We must convince them to make the right choice and that is to accept gays for who they are.

And to the people who still stand by Dharun Ravi, a School of Arts and Sciences first-year student, and claim he's a "good guy" - shame on you. Not only did he Tweet about how he spied on his roommate making out with another man - only highlighting his obvious immaturity and lack of acceptance - but days later he invited anyone with an iChat to video chat him at specific hours so they could spy on the private life of his roommate once again. This public invitation happened a day before Clementi's suicide. A "good guy" would have realized the indecency of his actions and the breach of privacy he was committing. Whether a homophobe or not, his crimes must not go unpunished. Ravi's actions destroyed a life and robbed a family of a loved one. Those who support him are an embarrassment to our University.

Finally, I ask that all gay individuals who may read this to remember that you are not alone. You are beautiful, you are loved. Be proud of who you are, and never hide it. To everyone else, my request is simple. I ask for a country where our gay relatives and friends can be safe, where people like Clementi won't feel ashamed of who they are, and where we can finally become a society that has outgrown hatred and bigotry. May the building of such a nation begin here with us at the University, and may we always keep Clementi and his family in our thoughts and prayers.

Sean Curtis is a School of Arts and Sciences sophomore majoring in East Asian studies. His column, "The Friday Rants," runs on alternate Fridays.
 
Stand up to homophobes
http://www.dailytargum.com/mobile/opinions/stand-up-to-homophobes-1.2350492

[Rutgers] Daily Targum
The Friday Rants
By Sean Curtis

The news of the death of an innocent young man this week swept the University campus. Many are furious, many are heartbroken, most of us are ashamed. University first-year student Tyler Clementi's suicide is a stark reminder of how far we as a University still have to go until we can call ourselves a school of diversity and acceptance. The rest of the nation now sees that as well. But to me, the most disturbing aspect of this story is not the fact that someone would be despicable enough to invade a roommate's privacy. No, the most horrifying part is the fact that Tyler felt ashamed enough of his sexuality to kill himself because others had discovered it and made it public. As much blame as we may want to put on School of Arts and Sciences first-year student Dharun Ravi for breaching another man's privacy or the University for failing to set up "safe spaces," the blame lies completely with us - each and every student and faculty member here at Rutgers - for failing to create an environment where Clementi would have felt safe, secure and comfortable with himself.

Had this been an incident where a heterosexual couple was spied on, there would have been no suicide. High-fives would be passed around between pigs, and the girl would be just another one of those poor victims of sick voyeurism that float all over the Internet. But because Tyler was a homosexual, the incident was deadly. I have no doubts whatsoever that Tyler was surrounded with anti-gay sentiments every day, as we all are. We still hear the words "queer" and "faggot" pass between people on a daily basis, whether it is jokingly or truly malicious, and it is the usage of words like these that continue the delusion that there is something wrong with homosexuality. So much so that many homosexuals themselves feel there is something wrong with it, as Tyler probably did when he took his own life.

The truth is plain and simple: There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. It is not a defect, it is not a sin, it is not a disease. To preach otherwise is the true sin, and homophobia is the real disease. If we are to prevent tragedies such as this from ever occurring again, we must find the cure quickly. The sooner we destroy the bigotry and taboos that surround homosexuality, the sooner we can start saving lives and start calling ourselves a diverse and accepting school. I urge every student at the University to make a stand against homophobia. Speak up against bigotry and hatred, stop the usage of hurtful words and embrace those who are different. You just might learn something.

I applaud the efforts of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer community and Robert O'Brien, Department of Anthropology assistant instructor, for seeking a change at the University. But we must remember, we cannot look solely to the administration or any other leading political body to rid our communities of hatred and disrespect. Doing so only takes responsibility away from the individuals who sit idly and allow such tragedies to occur. No matter what kind of programs, policies or "safe spaces" our University establishes, the gay community, as well as other minorities, will continue to be harassed and discriminated against if we do not urge the individual students to change. We must convince them to make the right choice and that is to accept gays for who they are.

And to the people who still stand by Dharun Ravi, a School of Arts and Sciences first-year student, and claim he's a "good guy" - shame on you. Not only did he Tweet about how he spied on his roommate making out with another man - only highlighting his obvious immaturity and lack of acceptance - but days later he invited anyone with an iChat to video chat him at specific hours so they could spy on the private life of his roommate once again. This public invitation happened a day before Clementi's suicide. A "good guy" would have realized the indecency of his actions and the breach of privacy he was committing. Whether a homophobe or not, his crimes must not go unpunished. Ravi's actions destroyed a life and robbed a family of a loved one. Those who support him are an embarrassment to our University.

Finally, I ask that all gay individuals who may read this to remember that you are not alone. You are beautiful, you are loved. Be proud of who you are, and never hide it. To everyone else, my request is simple. I ask for a country where our gay relatives and friends can be safe, where people like Clementi won't feel ashamed of who they are, and where we can finally become a society that has outgrown hatred and bigotry. May the building of such a nation begin here with us at the University, and may we always keep Clementi and his family in our thoughts and prayers.

Sean Curtis is a School of Arts and Sciences sophomore majoring in East Asian studies. His column, "The Friday Rants," runs on alternate Fridays.

And this is why gays will never be left alone. Because jackasses like this^^ profiteer off of peoples tragic deaths, using them as a platform fromwhich to launch their rediculous campaigns against 'the evil straight people.' This filth does nothing but drive a wedge between gay and straight peers. Fuck this idiot, Scally do you seriously sympathize with this garbage?

The first and most important issue I have is with this jackass deducing the reason for Tyler's death. Tyler was openly gay on his facebook page, a much more public venue than a tweeted video. How can Sean Curtis say that Tyler's sexuality being revealed to the 'straight world' is the cause of his death? We can never know why Tyler jumped, yes the video was probably a catalyst but we can never know for sure. It is despicable that Mr. Curtis fabricated a reason for the sole purpose of giving validity to his beliefs.

The attack on hetero males is my second problem with this trash essay. Asserting that voyeurism over unknowing females is a common practice that we "pigs" pass around our social circles is unfounded and uncalled for. I know gay couples that are just as devoted as my wife and I, and I also have had gay friends that just as insidious as Dharun Ravi who are always looking to laugh at someone else's expense. The problem of bullying is not a 'straight' issue.
Lastly do you not believe that a hetero female in this circumstance would not stand to lose just as much socially as Tyler Clementi? That somehow because she is 'straight' people expect extramarital sexual activity from her and her kind? That is what our brilliant author asserts by calling her just "another poor victim" while referring to Tyler as a tragedy because of his sexual orientation. Being unknowingly taped in private moment is devastatingly embarassing for anyone, regardless of sexuality. Given the right circumstance a person, gay or straight, may feel overwhelmed to the point of suicide after a shock of this magnitude.

Scally, shame on you for propagating this hate speech and becoming part of the problem. As long as people assume there is a difference of treatment between gay and straight people...there will be.
 
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And this is why gays will never be left alone. Because jackasses like this^^ profiteer off of peoples tragic deaths, using them as a platform fromwhich to launch their rediculous campaigns against 'the evil straight people.' This filth does nothing but drive a wedge between gay and straight peers. Fuck this idiot, Scally do you seriously sympathize with this garbage?

The first and most important issue I have is with this jackass deducing the reason for Tyler's death. Tyler was openly gay on his facebook page, a much more public venue than a tweeted video. How can Sean Curtis say that Tyler's sexuality being revealed to the 'straight world' is the cause of his death? We can never know why Tyler jumped, yes the video was probably a catalyst but we can never know for sure. It is despicable that Mr. Curtis fabricated a reason for the sole purpose of giving validity to his beliefs.

The attack on hetero males is my second problem with this trash essay. Asserting that voyeurism over unknowing females is a common practice that we "pigs" pass around our social circles is unfounded and uncalled for. I know gay couples that are just as devoted as my wife and I, and I also have had gay friends that just as insidious as Dharun Ravi who are always looking to laugh at someone else's expense. The problem of bullying is not a 'straight' issue.
Lastly do you not believe that a hetero female in this circumstance would not stand to lose just as much socially as Tyler Clementi? That somehow because she is 'straight' people expect extramarital sexual activity from her and her kind? That is what our brilliant author asserts by calling her just "another poor victim" while referring to Tyler as a tragedy because of his sexual orientation. Being unknowingly taped in private moment is devastatingly embarassing for anyone, regardless of sexuality. Given the right circumstance a person, gay or straight, may feel overwhelmed to the point of suicide after a shock of this magnitude.

Scally, shame on you for propagating this hate speech and becoming part of the problem. As long as people assume there is a difference of treatment between gay and straight people...there will be.

Wow mayo, quite a strong post! I can see where you are coming from and I feel that this topic is quite a strong one that evokes equally strong feelings. So much hate against gays these days and it seems that the public loses sight that the victim in this case is quite human actually. Putting sexual orientation aside, this is a bad situation all around and here's to him getting justice
 
And this is why gays will never be left alone. Because jackasses like this^^ profiteer off of peoples tragic deaths, using them as a platform fromwhich to launch their rediculous campaigns against 'the evil straight people.' This filth does nothing but drive a wedge between gay and straight peers. Fuck this idiot, Scally do you seriously sympathize with this garbage?

The first and most important issue I have is with this jackass deducing the reason for Tyler's death. Tyler was openly gay on his facebook page, a much more public venue than a tweeted video. How can Sean Curtis say that Tyler's sexuality being revealed to the 'straight world' is the cause of his death? We can never know why Tyler jumped, yes the video was probably a catalyst but we can never know for sure. It is despicable that Mr. Curtis fabricated a reason for the sole purpose of giving validity to his beliefs.

The attack on hetero males is my second problem with this trash essay. Asserting that voyeurism over unknowing females is a common practice that we "pigs" pass around our social circles is unfounded and uncalled for. I know gay couples that are just as devoted as my wife and I, and I also have had gay friends that just as insidious as Dharun Ravi who are always looking to laugh at someone else's expense. The problem of bullying is not a 'straight' issue.
Lastly do you not believe that a hetero female in this circumstance would not stand to lose just as much socially as Tyler Clementi? That somehow because she is 'straight' people expect extramarital sexual activity from her and her kind? That is what our brilliant author asserts by calling her just "another poor victim" while referring to Tyler as a tragedy because of his sexual orientation. Being unknowingly taped in private moment is devastatingly embarassing for anyone, regardless of sexuality. Given the right circumstance a person, gay or straight, may feel overwhelmed to the point of suicide after a shock of this magnitude.

Scally, shame on you for propagating this hate speech and becoming part of the problem. As long as people assume there is a difference of treatment between gay and straight people...there will be.

:rolleyes: ur overreacting to a tendentious campus brownshirt (a not uncommon creature) if ur gonna come off n blame HIM for "why gays will never be left alone"...ur reaction is also patently sophist. as for Dr Scally, or anyone else posting an editorial, one need not parse an editorial or agree with every word to simply post it for purposes of discussion.

otherwise, u make some good points...u stain them with ur own overblown indignation, however. ;)
 
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