Why use orals first cycle or at all?

[JackHoffman]

Why not just use test and primo and never try anything else?

 

[Nilatac]

Why to do that?
Definitely primo and mast started to get overhyped. Guess is their time as other aas got their time in the past.

 

[Fattyone]

Why not just use test and primo and never try anything else?

You can. Nothing is stopping you and there is nothing that says “you must take XXX compound to be this size/shape/weight”

Find something that agrees with your body, your goals, and your personal risk tolerance and run the shit out of it and eat and train like a mad man.

 

[JackHoffman]

Most people say test and Hgh are probably the healthiest since they are natural hormones that our body recognizes and that primobolan is probably next steroid that has the least side effects and the least impact on blood work. It is more expensive and a slower process than orals or tren but other than those two, what I guess EQ isn’t too bad. I’m just thinking in terms of avoiding side effects and health problems, why even do these cookie cutter first cycle things if everyone eventually ends up using primo and test after burning out on tren and orals. I just want to get bigger and stronger right now but when I want to cut down I think if I can get pharma HGH, metformin, clenbuterol. I will be better off with that than tren or something.

 

[ripper908]

If I could revisit 27 year old me I would tell him for that I wanted to do test is all I needed

blast on 400 - 500 mg of test with good diet and training and you'll mog most gym goers

other compounds are best suited for competitors. that being said I experimented with most injectables. never tried growth cause of the price

 

[BigTomJ]

If i didnt compete I would be on test and primo only. For whatever that's worth.

Its well known at this point that im not a fan of orals in general for casual users, so maybe im bias

 

[Mishka]

First cycle? Mostly because people are pussies and do not want to put a needle in their muscles. So many TRT people popping up asking for subq injections... lol.

And at all? I'd say to break plateaus and/or for bodybuilding / strength sport compettions.

 

[Fattyone]

This guy is worth a follow to help keep your head in the right direction

 

[JackHoffman]

First cycle? Mostly because people are pussies and do not want to put a needle in their muscles. So many TRT people popping up asking for subq injections... lol.

And at all? I'd say to break plateaus and/or for bodybuilding / strength sport compettions.

The irony is I thought that I would hate injecting but I kinda love it!

Well this is good to know. I have always wanted to be more healthy than anything. I still haven’t noticed much from the test and its been 500mg for about two weeks. Probably too soon.

That’s the thing I was already training pretty well but just felt I could use the extra help. I may have never needed them. Probably just could’ve eaten more and still made gains but I can still do that on test as well. So either way I get there is fine with me. My natural abilities weren’t going to get me much further without becoming seriously overweight. Hopefully. I will be able to gain muscle and strength faster so there is less fat percentage when gaining and less muscle loss when losing. If that makes any sense.

 

[JC Grifter]

I have two more cycles in me with Deca and then going forward Test only for Test/Primo until I stop. I wish I could go back and tell myself that’s all you need unless you plan to compete. I especially regret taking Tren as a recreational body builder. All that extra stress on my body and organs for no good reason.

With experience now I also don’t see the need for orals at all. I use to see them as a tool to break a plateau. In hindsight, I would tell my younger self to increase the testosterone and the food to break a plateau.

 

[JackHoffman]

I’ll be honest, I’m kind of more into powerlifting as I don’t think Inreally have what it takes to be a bodybuilder. Probably just test and maybe primo would be the right choice I’m guessing. Kinda more powerbuilding though.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

If i didnt compete I would be on test and primo only. For whatever that's worth.

Its well known at this point that im not a fan of orals in general for casual users, so maybe im bias

What is your opinion on Mast?

I don't compete I love test, primo, var on specific occasions. I've played with alot and stopped for longevity

 

[OmL]

Dbol serves me well as a Pre workout. Or it’s all in my head.

Not sure.

 

[RiceNKimchi]

Dbol serves me well as a Pre workout. Or it’s all in my head.

Not sure.

D bol is great for the head truthfully. Wellbeing is legitimately different on it

 

[Avarice911]

Why not just use test and primo and never try anything else?

There’s nothing wrong with that at all. If you’re content with the results, there’s no need to switch it up just to say you tried something or to see if the grass is greener.

Orals are great for a certain look and they make you feel like a god more so than injectables it seems. Think those are really the only reasons people use them on top of injectables.

Personally, I’m super content with the results and minimal to no sides of taking test + gh and sprinkle in some anavar here and there. I have no real desire to use other orals and content if I never do a cycle of any other injectable

 

[BigTomJ]

What is your opinion on Mast?

I don't compete I love test, primo, var on specific occasions. I've played with alot and stopped for longevity

I see mast and primo as being mostly interchangable, depends on individual response at the end of the day.

I see them as being roughly equal mg for mg in effectiveness.
I just pick primo over mast because I FEEL great on primo and it doesn't trask my lipids and doesn't touch my e2.

I could entertain the argument of mast over primo if it didn't hurt your hair badly since it's so much cheaper

 

[BigTomJ]

D bol is great for the head truthfully. Wellbeing is legitimately different on it

That sense of well-being is what I get from even as little as 150 primo. Why I like it so much

 

[fike]

I have two more cycles in me with Deca and then going forward Test only for Test/Primo until I stop. I wish I could go back and tell myself that’s all you need unless you plan to compete. I especially regret taking Tren as a recreational body builder. All that extra stress on my body and organs for no good reason.

With experience now I also don’t see the need for orals at all. I use to see them as a tool to break a plateau. In hindsight, I would tell my younger self to increase the testosterone and the food to break a plateau.

Temperance is something I struggle with in this specific world. Most other places are no problem, but I’m not ready to stop yet. I don’t know how man more I have in me before that virtue starts eating at my conscience me too hard, but I know I will have to eventually slow way down to be a better man. The obligations of men are no simple matter to ignore are they?

 

[JackHoffman]

Hey how’s generic HGH? Worth it or no? Primo is expensive though right? Like wouldn’t a good cycle be like 500 test 500 primo? Thats like what $50 a week on primo?

 

[Fattyone]

Hey how’s generic HGH? Worth it or no? Primo is expensive though right? Like wouldn’t a good cycle be like 500 test 500 primo? Thats like what $50 a week on primo?

you’d *probably* crush your estrogen at 1:1. But only one way to find out.


Someone earlier started a thread about why would you want to use anything besides test and primo. I think there are some decent replies in there, one even said mast is pretty interchangeable. Try and find that thread and give it a look.