Why you should be running T4 with your GH

[stone988]

But i have lol

Sorry I dont know where to look

 

[colossus25]

I care because Ive seen countess people waste years and years fucking off and not making gains, hurting themselves and basically wasting a lot of money and health. And Ill say whatever the fuck I want!! If you dont like it dont read it. What are some old cunt that yells at kids on a school bus? Data! I personally know 2 people, both competitors that have fucked up their thyroid messing around with t3/ t4. Info is great, constructive and possessive criticism is what a discussion is. Isnt this a discussion forum?

This post gave me cancer

 

[Dr JIM]

Here is the only proof that matters, post pictures of your results! yea you cant and you wont. No worries Im not surprised.

Bc soooo many variables (like diet, exercise, genetics, type, number and dosage of PEDs etc) impact the benefits AND RISKS of one, they can only be applied to that ONE individual, unless similar "results" are seen collectively under controlled conditions.

The latter is the reason evidence based studies can be critical ---- they are intended to apply to a GROUP of people, something an individual "muscle pose" will never achieve .

 

[TRT]

I care because Ive seen countess people waste years and years fucking off and not making gains, hurting themselves and basically wasting a lot of money and health. And Ill say whatever the fuck I want!! If you dont like it dont read it. What are some old cunt that yells at kids on a school bus? Data! I personally know 2 people, both competitors that have fucked up their thyroid messing around with t3/ t4. Info is great, constructive and possessive criticism is what a discussion is. Isnt this a discussion forum?

And what? Compeditors are all smart and have great genetics so if they got fucked up on t3/t4 then the rest of us will to? Give me a break. So then what do you suggest running with GH to get the most out of it?

Please enlighten me on this subject with your constructive and possessive criticism.

 

[colossus25]

Sorry I dont know where to look

No fancy drop lighting and no filter just me right now a couple of months back on gear after being off of gear for over 8 months and out of the gym for 4 months. I could post one of my pics from last year but that would be bullshit but many here have seen my old Avi anyways. Just wait till i cut champ. You know how i achieve these results so rapidly and efficiently? By making it an absolute priority to doing as much research as i can and applying it to my training and protocol.

 

[trackstar19]

Personally I would be very careful with anything that manipulates the thyroid, it is not something you want to play with.

Numerous studies show that the thyroid bounces back in 2-6 weeks of stopping t3/t4 even after years of using it. Perhaps the odd outlier it doesn't ... and then they just stay on for life ... it's cheap. Hell I use t3/t4 year round - a perfect dose that keeps me full and muscle sparing - yet with the right diet (usually keto or carb cycling) and cardio - I can get contest ready. Too high a dose of t3 doesn't benefit you in this sport ... you'll be flat as shit, ravenous, and absolutely tear thru muscle tissue even if on anabolics.

For me 67.5mcg t3 and 200mcg t4 of the brand I use (key - I've used some shit products that were over or underdosed) puts me just slightly on the high side and in a perfect position.

 

[Marcus]

Just making a point, do you just run anything? What blood work? yours? Mine? whos? a bodybuilder? or some patient? Do you just believe any nonsense you read on the internet? Or do you take your health and training seriously? What was random about my opinion? Take it or leave it.

Are you fucking serious? According to my own bloodwork.

Did you really read anything? I posted about it, my OWN bloodwork and T4 supplementation, right above your post. If you read the thread, there is no possible way to miss it

 

[TRT]

Numerous studies show that the thyroid bounces back in 2-6 weeks of stopping t3/t4 even after years of using it. Perhaps the odd outlier it doesn't ... and then they just stay on for life ... it's cheap. Hell I use t3/t4 year round - a perfect dose that keeps me full and muscle sparing - yet with the right diet (usually keto or carb cycling) and cardio - I can get contest ready. Too high a dose of t3 doesn't benefit you in this sport ... you'll be flat as shit, ravenous, and absolutely tear thru muscle tissue even if on anabolics.

For me 67.5mcg t3 and 200mcg t4 of the brand I use (key - I've used some shit products that were over or underdosed) puts me just slightly on the high side and in a perfect position.

I'm using pharm grade 25/t3, 200/t4 I feel like the t3 should be 50 but I was thinking t4 is converted and I have a little t3 added making the t3 level high enough to be effective. No?

 

[Eman]

Blah blah blah I called you out you aint got shit. Anyhow no worries I guess I will never win that one. People like to hide and whatever. You trolled me! I was simply giving an opinion which trust me is far more experienced then yours. I am sure we probably agree with most things. If you want to run t3 or t4 with your hgh go for it! Just be careful.

You know an argument isn't going your way when you start with "blah blah blah."

I don't disagree with you though, people should be careful when messing with thyroid hormone.

So, even though I agree with you on that, how is it you manage to antagonize 95% of the individuals you come across on the forum? It's like clockwork with you. It's too bad too, I think you have some worthwhile information to pass along here... But no one is really going to bother to even listen because of how you come across.

 

[Robmp]

Currently on TRT (100mg E5D) and thinking about adding 2-4 ui Pharma HGH mainly for fat loss and overall quality of life. Should T4 be used to enhance GH effects with such low dose? If so, can you recommend a dosage? Thanks.

 

[Jeffg353]

Currently on TRT (100mg E5D) and thinking about adding 2-4 ui Pharma HGH mainly for fat loss and overall quality of life. Should T4 be used to enhance GH effects with such low dose? If so, can you recommend a dosage? Thanks.

Is ur TRT Dr prescribing the HGH?

 

[Robmp]

Is ur TRT Dr prescribing the HGH?

No, havent seen him in a while...

 

[Jeffg353]

No, havent seen him in a while...

It seems like the guys here have conflicting theories as to use of t4 with gh. My suggestion would be to run the GH without t4 and get blood tests to see where ur thyroid levels are and go from there.

 

[trackstar19]

I'm using pharm grade 25/t3, 200/t4 I feel like the t3 should be 50 but I was thinking t4 is converted and I have a little t3 added making the t3 level high enough to be effective. No?

I'll be honest in stating I don't have a good answer ... i simply go by bloodwork and how it is working. When I did less t3 and the t4 at 200mcg i was putting on fat and everything seemed stuck in my stomach and i had signs of being low thyroid - I know for everyone it is different, but if you feel like you might be better off raising in perhaps go up 12.5mcg and see how you feel?

 

[Wunderpus]

I'm using pharm grade 25/t3, 200/t4 I feel like the t3 should be 50 but I was thinking t4 is converted and I have a little t3 added making the t3 level high enough to be effective. No?

I like taking them at the same time, sort of a "time release" effect. 50mcg's T3 starts to become POTENTIALLY catabolic.

 

[TRT]

I like taking them at the same time, sort of a "time release" effect. 50mcg's T3 starts to become POTENTIALLY catabolic.

Fuck. I just upped it to 50mcgs this morning. Well it's only for a day. I just wanted to mentally pick out the best thing and when I get bloods I'll take it from there. I felt like 50 was too much also. I take them at the same time too. I wake up t3/t4 then 4ius of GH and slin together. I wait till my blood sugar starts to drop and then I'll eat. This usually take about 30-40 mins depending how active I am in the morning.

 

[trackstar19]

Fuck. I just upped it to 50mcgs this morning. Well it's only for a day. I just wanted to mentally pick out the best thing and when I get bloods I'll take it from there. I felt like 50 was too much also. I take them at the same time too. I wake up t3/t4 then 4ius of GH and slin together. I wait till my blood sugar starts to drop and then I'll eat. This usually take about 30-40 mins depending how active I am in the morning.

i wake up ... shoot 5IU of grey tops (will have bloods back today or tomorrow with IGF-1 level on these ... if it's decent I'm upping to 10IU a day) i then take my 2.5 tabs of tiromel and 2 tabs of levy (67.5mcg t3, 200mcg t4). Everyone is a bit different ... as a general rule 50mcg and over COULD become catabolic .... to give you an idea how there are exceptions I'm on this dose .... also on tren .... GH ... 200mg DNP ... i do 45 mins fasted cardio each morning .... calories are down to ~2300cals a day ..... i'm full and losing weight but slowly at this point. Whereas put someone else on this and they might need 4500 cals a day to not shrivel up.

 

[Wunderpus]

Fuck. I just upped it to 50mcgs this morning. Well it's only for a day. I just wanted to mentally pick out the best thing and when I get bloods I'll take it from there. I felt like 50 was too much also. I take them at the same time too. I wake up t3/t4 then 4ius of GH and slin together. I wait till my blood sugar starts to drop and then I'll eat. This usually take about 30-40 mins depending how active I am in the morning.

Seems like a good protocol. What's your slin protocol look like? (Type, timing etc)

 

[TRT]

Seems like a good protocol. What's your slin protocol look like? (Type, timing etc)

Well I was suppose to do a GH,Tren, slin cycle but might be getting a government job and they'll test.

So, I'm taking 1:1 on GH and insulin. I'm using Novolin R with the GH sub-Q.
I try to get the best of both worlds by fasting as long as possible on the GH which is until the slin catches up to me. I'll make my shake. Set it on the table and lay back and watch the news until my heart rate goes up. That's when I'll have my shake. This time peroid of waiting can last up to an hour.

Note: I have a very expensive Lancet device that I use. I also know what my blood sugar is based on routine readings.

 

[TRT]

i wake up ... shoot 5IU of grey tops (will have bloods back today or tomorrow with IGF-1 level on these ... if it's decent I'm upping to 10IU a day) i then take my 2.5 tabs of tiromel and 2 tabs of levy (67.5mcg t3, 200mcg t4). Everyone is a bit different ... as a general rule 50mcg and over COULD become catabolic .... to give you an idea how there are exceptions I'm on this dose .... also on tren .... GH ... 200mg DNP ... i do 45 mins fasted cardio each morning .... calories are down to ~2300cals a day ..... i'm full and losing weight but slowly at this point. Whereas put someone else on this and they might need 4500 cals a day to not shrivel up.

What kind of body type do you have? I'm an ectomorph for sure.