Without Testosterone?

[Hardcoreboy]

I'm going to stop testosterone because of high hematocrit and hemoglobin(204), so i was thinkin is there any other steroids that don't raise these values. And can they be used without testosterone?

 

[Testisthebest15]

I'm going to stop testosterone because of high hematocrit and hemoglobin(204), so i was thinkin is there any other steroids that don't raise these values. And can they be used without testosterone?

Have you looked into donating blood? What are your levels at? You need test as a base so running other compounds with out test you’re gonna run into more side effects like low e2.

 

[phenominal34]

I'm going to stop testosterone because of high hematocrit and hemoglobin(204), so i was thinkin is there any other steroids that don't raise these values. And can they be used without testosterone?

How much test are you taking weekly? And the big question are you sure
you’re dosing properly ?

What’s your height and weight ?

 

[shartking]

Are you drinking enough water?

 

[Nilatac]

Ment and dbol can be used instead of test. Dbol at 10 mg was used in the '70 for trt.

You can lower the test dose to 150 mg and see if that gives you problems.

You can eat less red meat,take vitamin C,do some cardio. Those things helps a bit.
You can also go to donate blood once in a while. That's about what you can do for this matter.

 

[Hardcoreboy]

How much test are you taking weekly? And the big question are you sure
you’re dosing properly ?

What’s your height and weight ?

500mg test/wk and weight 130kg and height 1,85m. I drink alot water. I do cardio 3xwk. Can't donate blood because too high hemoglobin, the limit is 195.

 

[phenominal34]

500mg test/wk and weight 130kg and height 1,85m. I drink alot water. I do cardio 3xwk. Can't donate blood because too high hemoglobin, the limit is 195.

Your almost 300 lbs, yea that’s not healthy to begin with. Post a pic

 

[superjon]

Your almost 300 lbs, yea that’s not healthy to begin with. Post a pic

i would feel like dog shit running 500mg of test at 286lb and i doubt it’s 286 clean

 

[superjon]

Wait, I didn’t even know there was a limit to the point where they just won’t let you donate blood. Then wtf are you supposed to do? Get blood work everyday? Lol

 

[lukiss96]

It just gets ridiculous when someone on the internet says they're 290lbs with 0 pics.

Well, it's possible but unbelievable tbh unless you're fat.

We have few dudes at 270 on the leaner side your height but they're absolute monsters.

 

[grey]

Wait, I didn’t even know there was a limit to the point where they just won’t let you donate blood. Then wtf are you supposed to do? Get blood work everyday? Lol

you do therapeutic phlebotomy... essentially bloodletting.

 

[Nilatac]

What is your cycle history and how much total aas and substances you run that you got to 130.
Do you blast&cruise or just blast and that 500mg is like a cruise to you?
I am 130 kg but I have run a shit load of aas to get here. There are long gone the days I took 500 mg test.
My hemoglobin is in range even if I am that heavy and take a bunch of aas but that is genetic.

 

[Avarice911]

500mg test/wk and weight 130kg and height 1,85m. I drink alot water. I do cardio 3xwk. Can't donate blood because too high hemoglobin, the limit is 195.

No need to completely drop test. Go back to a more reasonable dose like 150-200mg until your numbers look better

 

[Hardcoreboy]

It just gets ridiculous when someone on the internet says they're 290lbs with 0 pics.

Well, it's possible but unbelievable tbh unless you're fat.

We have few dudes at 270 on the leaner side your height but they're absolute monsters.

every once in a while some scumbag will cry. That's why I don't write here.

 

[lukiss96]

every once in a while some scumbag will cry. That's why I don't write here.

Or you could man up and show a pic. But yeah we get it you decided to hide in the bushes already like everybody else who's a loud mouth. Btw I always admit in case I'm wrong.

 

[Nilatac]

Or you could man up and show a pic. But yeah we get it you decided to hide in the bushes already like everybody else who's a loud mouth. Btw I always admit in case I'm wrong.

It's not about hiding. I am 130 also and have been for few years not (+- ) but I didn't post any photo until this year when I tried a log.
It's about what you have to prove to some guys online and in my case I don't take photo of myself as I'm not a bodybuilder neither I make money out of this.
To flex in front of a camera is too childish imo.

 

[Norse13]

500mg test/wk and weight 130kg and height 1,85m. I drink alot water. I do cardio 3xwk. Can't donate blood because too high hemoglobin, the limit is 195.

If you live in a place where you can't donate blood if it's above 195, you're in a bit of a pickle.

Some options:
- Blood cupping, a "traditional healing" where they draw blood but less than 500ml per session.
- Do it yourself, or have your wife do it. Avoid passing out when bleeding.
- Travel to a country where they don't ask so many questions and pay privately do tap blood.
- Go to a clinic and admit to steroid use and request to tap blood - if you deny steroids, they'll run every test on the planet to find out the cause of your high hemoglobin.

 

[Hardcoreboy]

If you live in a place where you can't donate blood if it's above 195, you're in a bit of a pickle.

Some options:
- Blood cupping, a "traditional healing" where they draw blood but less than 500ml per session.
- Do it yourself, or have your wife do it. Avoid passing out when bleeding.
- Travel to a country where they don't ask so many questions and pay privately do tap blood.
- Go to a clinic and admit to steroid use and request to tap blood - if you deny steroids, they'll run every test on the planet to find out the cause of your high hemoglobin.

I called the clinic and they are going to run all possible tests like you said. That's okay for me haha...

 

[Norse13]

I called the clinic and they are going to run all possible tests like you said. That's okay for me haha...

You may still not succeed, if they run every test including genetic issues (expensive), polycythemia vera, cancer, heart disease, lung disease, and kidney or liver disease... and they still don't find any root cause, it is a risk that they still won't tap blood because they don't know what the root cause is. Different countries and clinics approach this differently, let us know how you get on.

 

[MrHowie]

It just gets ridiculous when someone on the internet says they're 290lbs with 0 pics.

Well, it's possible but unbelievable tbh unless you're fat.

We have few dudes at 270 on the leaner side your height but they're absolute monsters.

I am 177cm tall and weigh 250 pounds. When someone taller than me is nearing 300 pounds, it might be surprising to some. However, I can assure you that I have plans to bulk up to 270 pounds once I resume my blast and cruise, but for now, I am off all gear due to fertility concerns.