Without Testosterone?

[Norse13]

OP asks which steroids avoid further raising hemoglobin and it turns into a bragging contest of weight. (I won't win, I'm only 240 lbs.)

 

[MrHowie]

OP asks which steroids avoid further raising hemoglobin and it turns into a bragging contest of weight. (I won't win, I'm only 240 lbs.)

Nothing to do with that, I was only saying don’t put someone down because of their weight. I can’t be the only guy on here 250+

To the OP all steroids will raise your levels man, lower the testosterone or just stay natural if you can’t handle it. Your doctor should get with you on lowering your dosage if you are on trt.

 

[Avies48]

Ment and dbol can be used instead of test. Dbol at 10 mg was used in the '70 for trt.

You can lower the test dose to 150 mg and see if that gives you problems.

You can eat less red meat,take vitamin C,do some cardio. Those things helps a bit.
You can also go to donate blood once in a while. That's about what you can do for this matter.

IF u have high hematocrit or hemoglobin DO NOT take vitamin c…. It is not good for people with high thick blood

 

[Bumpygooch]

No reason to drop the test, you need to donate frequently. I have to donate every 4 weeks for the exact reason you stated. If you can’t because your HGB is too high, see a hematologist to rule out PV and erythrocytosis, and get a script for a therapeutic phlebotomy. That’s what I did. If you’re prone to these things, almost all AAS will do it. Have to get used to donating. PS, I’m right around 270, just posted a pic over in the pic thread. We’re not all fat at that size

 

[phenominal34]

No reason to drop the test, you need to donate frequently. I have to donate every 4 weeks for the exact reason you stated. If you can’t because your HGB is too high, see a hematologist to rule out PV and erythrocytosis, and get a script for a therapeutic phlebotomy. That’s what I did. If you’re prone to these things, almost all AAS will do it. Have to get used to donating. PS, I’m right around 270, just posted a pic over in the pic thread. We’re not all fat at that size

Donating is a temporary fix and too much too often can lead to bigger problems.

Lower dose or get off the drugs pal. Easy as that

 

[Bumpygooch]

Donating is a temporary fix and too much too often can lead to bigger problems.

Lower dose or get off the drugs pal. Easy as that

Oh, you must know more than my hematologist then. This isn’t advice I pulled out of my ass. I was told, by a medical blood doctor, the exact thing I wrote previously. All labs were run, no PV or erythrocytosis, or any other exotic blood condition. You can remain on test, and donating every 4 weeks is fine. But, I guess I’ll just take your advice instead. If he’d prefer NOT to donate frequently, then coming off is advised, however, as I’ve written, not required.

 

[may2021]

I'm going to stop testosterone because of high hematocrit and hemoglobin(204), so i was thinkin is there any other steroids that don't raise these values. And can they be used without testosterone?

Assuming you are 6' & 300lbs, you need to be doing an hour of cardio 7x a week for several months, before doing a trt dose of test. Maybe 5 months.

You'll lose a little weight, start breathing easier.
One thing is for sure, you'll LOOK much better.
That's kinda what you're after, right?

 

[narta]

Assuming you are 6' & 300lbs, you need to be doing an hour of cardio 7x a week for several months, before doing a trt dose of test. Maybe 5 months.

You'll lose a little weight, start breathing easier.
One thing is for sure, you'll LOOK much better.
That's kinda what you're after, right?

Why everyone assumes that if someone is on the heavier side he want to slim down?

I am 6'4" 280 and feel fine, my bloods are fine, my doctores are happy and I can run as a average human being. I want to be strong as a bull, don't give a flying fuck about the sixpack and so does my wife.

Ya all need to reconsider that your point of view maybe different than the person standing next to you and it's fine.

 

[may2021]

Why everyone assumes that if someone is on the heavier side he want to slim down?

I am 6'4" 280 and feel fine, my bloods are fine, my doctores are happy and I can run as a average human being. I want to be strong as a bull, don't give a flying fuck about the sixpack and so does my wife.

Ya all need to reconsider that your point of view maybe different than the person standing next to you and it's fine.

Fair enough.

I've just seen a lot of posts over the past two years where ppl are pushing the drugs to lean out and with a very limited cardio routine.

 

[narta]

Fair enough.

I've just seen a lot of posts over the past two years where ppl are pushing the drugs to lean out and with a very limited cardio routine.

Cardio is for cv health not leaning out. I can bust my ass doing cardio, eat like shit and gain weight. Perfect cv health but a fat fuck.

Wanna lean out? Nail your diet first.

 

[may2021]

Cardio is for cv health not leaning out. I can bust my ass doing cardio, eat like shit and gain weight. Perfect cv health but a fat fuck.

Wanna lean out? Nail your diet first.

lol

I guess. I was thinking if one takes the time, diet is on point.

 

[narta]

lol

I guess. I was thinking if one takes the time, diet is on point.

You 'd be fucking surprised at the amount of people that have shitty diets while trying to lean out. And they then push the tren dosages and DNP to pick up the slack.

 

[may2021]

You 'd be fucking surprised at the amount of people that have shitty diets while trying to lean out. And they then push the tren dosages and DNP to pick up the slack.

Yeah.
I'm coming around to that perspective.
And I notice myself, when my diet is strict, everything is just so much better. Mood, Look, everything.

 

[phenominal34]

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Oh, you must know more than my hematologist then. This isn’t advice I pulled out of my ass. I was told, by a medical blood doctor, the exact thing I wrote previously. All labs were run, no PV or erythrocytosis, or any other exotic blood condition. You can remain on test, and donating every 4 weeks is fine. But, I guess I’ll just take your advice instead. If he’d prefer NOT to donate frequently, then coming off is advised, however, as I’ve written, not required.

Research it smart guy, most doctors don’t know much about taking gear and giving blood. It’s not taught in college just like trt isn’t known by most doctors. But keep being a duchebag and keep giving blood 6 times a year. Tell us when you end up in the hospital pal.

 

[callisto]

high dose telmisartan(80mg), low dose trt, lots of cardio(min. 7h per week), no red meats, low iron, b12 and vit c consumption over 6 months or so should be able to solve or at least reduce the issue.
whats your bf%?

 

[Bumpygooch]

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Research it smart guy, most doctors don’t know much about taking gear and giving blood. It’s not taught in college just like trt isn’t known by most doctors. But keep being a duchebag and keep giving blood 6 times a year. Tell us when you end up in the hospital pal.

Not how this works, ignoramus. Burden of proof is on you, you’re making bullshit claims that donating 6x/yr will end up in a hospital visit. The hematologist is a gym bro, and well acquainted. The donation schedule was also approved by my cardiologist. But, I’ll ignore their treatment program because some moron on meso said I’ll end up in the hospital.

 

[narta]

Not how this works, ignoramus. Burden of proof is on you, you’re making bullshit claims that donating 6x/yr will end up in a hospital visit. The hematologist is a gym bro, and well acquainted. The donation schedule was also approved by my cardiologist. But, I’ll ignore their treatment program because some moron on meso said I’ll end up in the hospital.

Frequent donations empty the ferretin storages and that's a fact. Hospital maybe not but weak as fuck and sickly is plausible

 

[Bumpygooch]

Frequent donations empty the ferretin storages and that's a fact. Hospital maybe not but weak as fuck and sickly is plausible

Right, but, 1)he specifically stated hospital visit, 2)we don’t all fall into the low ferritin/iron category, this was all reviewed with the hematologist and cardiologist, of course. All of which prompted my response that OP doesn’t necessarily have to quit testosterone.

 

[grey]

But keep being a duchebag and keep giving blood 6 times a year. Tell us when you end up in the hospital pal.

I am confused here... barring some sort of anemia or deficiency would would easily show in bloodwork directly or indirectly I am unsure what would be the issue with donating a unit of blood 6 times per year?

 

[Daniel_Drago]

I was reading some of the discussion in this topic, first, 270 pounds or 130kg is not impossible, of course, if you say 130kg stage ready that's something else.
If you have money for HGH, you can reach that, for example look at a YouTube channel called ChaseIrons or something like that, that dude right now stay at 18iu/day I think, and like 3/5gr gear + insulin, 270 pounds lean mass.

Now, for the blood pressure, hematocrit, ecc. The only thing you could do is to reach for some professional help, if you go on YouTube there are some doctors that treat guy like us, dott. thomas O'Connor, dott. George touliatos, they have their own clinics and can provide help with this situation, they are specialized in this domain.
I don't know how can I help you with other things, there are medicines like Telmisartan that can help in some case's, but I'm not a doctor so I can't recommend something to you.