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Would you inject this (pics)

@lucabratzi throw it back into the freezer now that it looks normal. If it crashes like it looked before, you know it was truly just crashed gear. Easy peasy.
 
Pharmacom Labs said:
i did not offer him to inject it. in this form at least. i saw a lot of such vials and i know what i am speaking about. i know this is just crystallized active agent and there are no biological contaminants there. He can send the closed vial to Simec, order its chromotoghraphy and microbiological anylysis, we will pay for it as we always do,
I do not see any problem here. crystallization is a usual phenomenon especially with npp. Possible reasons for this are easy:
1. overdosed gear
2. not enough benzyl alcohol
3. cold temperatures
That`s all. Ratio of benzyl alcohol in our oil has optimum values otherwise if we add more you will cry from pain during injection. Cold temperature is the simplest and most probable reason. When you buy gear in a drug store, where it is stored in all conditions at advisable temperature of course you get it without crystals. But if the shit has to fly over the half planet from one continent to another in uncontrolled temperature conditions it is obviously you can have such thigs. And heating is a simple solution for it. Please stop blowing out this bubble because of a regular thing, which happens all the time when oil is storaged beyond recommended conditions.
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I'm sorry but I am not stupid. I know the procedures quite well, as well as the various solvents that are used in production including other options that entail manufacture of properly made gear. And I can tell you this, benzyl alcohol isn't what keeps the hormone suspended, it keeps it sterile and yes if too much is used then it will have PIP. I highly doubt they would overdose for free, especially on a sale item, that's a joke! and the temperatures, if it was just effected from the temperature then he wouldn't have to keep 'nooking' it... and finally, the white floaties in his vial are not what your typical temperature crash looks like...so that's bull!

I actually saw some good posts about you before and had respect... lately there has been a lot of shitty reviews and issues... and the way you are dealing with it, it shows how much you truly care about people's well-being. I have lost total and complete respect for you dude!
 
Just send it to simec. You'll be doing everyone on meso who bought their NPP a favor.

I for one want to know if that weird looking shit is some kind of growth or just crashed gear.

I'm pretty sure they will front the bill so nothing will come out of pocket except shipping cost.
 

just found it on our russian board. it is not as much crashed as here but still. 30 sec in a microwave oven, 30 sec, 900 watt, thats it. no explosions, nothing. crystals melted.
 
GearGodess said:
I'm sorry but I am not stupid. I know the procedures quite well, as well as the various solvents that are used in production including other options that entail manufacture of properly made gear. And I can tell you this, benzyl alcohol isn't what keeps the hormone suspended, it keeps it sterile and yes if too much is used then it will have PIP. I highly doubt they would overdose for free, especially on a sale item, that's a joke! and the temperatures, if it was just effected from the temperature then he wouldn't have to keep 'nooking' it... and finally, the white floaties in his vial are not what your typical temperature crash looks like...so that's bull!

I actually saw some good posts about you before and had respect... lately there has been a lot of shitty reviews and issues... and the way you are dealing with it, it shows how much you truly care about people's well-being. I have lost total and complete respect for you dude!
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how i care about people well being? i offered to send it to a gmp certified lab. i am paying about 500 euro in real cash for testing. absolutely any customer can send any of our products to the lab to test them. independent whether they were purchased during promos or not. this is how i care of peoples well-being.
Test result will show what is the bull...
and yes, there is absolutely no correlation in when we organize promos and our gear. test reports have already proven that.
 
Pharmacom Helper said:
Dears, no real facts no real data just imagination and blah blah blah
@lucabratzi could you please send this vial to Simec ?
For all: may be we can stop here ? We can discuss again right after he will receive results from Simec. Because now all this discussion for nothing
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Such disrespect towards those who have been fattening your wallet... at least pretend that you're sympathetic... you're a joke.
 
Bone Gristle said:
Discussion is how we get to the bottom of shit. Requesting us to stop is in bad taste.
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In due respect ;

Discussion and speculation can only get us so far. Yes it's imperative we discuss the potential issue. Yes we should share this potential issue. Yes we should discuss and seek resolution. However, our words will do nothing to conclude the situation, nor will our speculation provide scientific proof. There is a difference between science and pseudoscience we all need to appreciate here. Anecdotal evidence of what we've seen crashed gear look like etc is valuable, but it is not concrete. Also, lets remember that correlation does not equal causation. We can't jump to conclusions based off feelings or thoughts. Pharmacom could be the biggest scammer here, or he could be correct about it being crashed hormone. We will not know without SIMEC testing. He has offered to pay - there is no need for further discourse until the terms are either agreed upon or not by Luca. From there, the science will speak for itself.

(DISCLAIMER since I'm sure I'll be accused of somehow being a nipple sucker or something for pharmacom. I've never run their products, I put in my first order during this sale and sure hope to shit its not bunk ass infected gear because I'll be out $ and lesson learned.I hope for lucas sake this isn't contaminated, not for pharmacoms, those fuckers already got my money.)
 
Pomacanthidae said:
In due respect ;

Discussion and speculation can only get us so far. Yes it's imperative we discuss the potential issue. Yes we should share this potential issue. Yes we should discuss and seek resolution. However, our words will do nothing to conclude the situation, nor will our speculation provide scientific proof. There is a difference between science and pseudoscience we all need to appreciate here. Anecdotal evidence of what we've seen crashed gear look like etc is valuable, but it is not concrete. Also, lets remember that correlation does not equal causation. We can't jump to conclusions based off feelings or thoughts. Pharmacom could be the biggest scammer here, or he could be correct about it being crashed hormone. We will not know without SIMEC testing. He has offered to pay - there is no need for further discourse until the terms are either agreed upon or not by Luca. From there, the science will speak for itself.

(DISCLAIMER since I'm sure I'll be accused of somehow being a nipple sucker or something for pharmacom. I've never run their products, I put in my first order during this sale and sure hope to shit its not bunk ass infected gear because I'll be out $ and lesson learned.I hope for lucas sake this isn't contaminated, not for pharmacoms, those fuckers already got my money.)
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Either way, asking me to stop discussing a potentially harmful issue in a unmoderated forum because you don't like what's being said about your lab is BS.
 
Bone Gristle said:
Either way, asking me to stop discussing a potentially harmful issue in a unmoderated forum because you don't like what's being said about your lab is BS.
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Agreed. His communication is not the best, but I believe his message to be accurate. Let SIMEC provide the truth.
However, the people do have a point here Pharmacom, your attitude will go far in the resolution of this matter. Perhaps, provide Luca with another vial for peace of mind. Reimburse the testing for SIMEC, and apologize for the inconvenience. If SIMEC comes back cleanly, your case has been proven. If not, may god have mercy on you because MESO won't.
 
Bone Gristle said:
Either way, asking me to stop discussing a potentially harmful issue in a unmoderated forum because you don't like what's being said about your lab is BS.
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Sorry, I incorrectly wrote my message due to reason that my English not the best :)
@Pomacanthidae wrote more clear
GearGodess said:
Such disrespect towards those who have been fattening your wallet... at least pretend that you're sympathetic... you're a joke.
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I read all of this thread and make some conclusions:
1) This guy have a problem, which he raised here - that's good.
2) To understand that this is a real problem or not - we need to make tests. We ask to do it for our costs.
3) I spoke with my friend and he have not exactly the same issue but very similar (7 vials). He used microwave and all OK
4) I spoke with my other friend, which have some knowledge in this question and he said that NFP is a very sensitive for changes in temperature (no proof soory, just his experience)
And I fully agree with you, that buyer does not have to do something with product (only use), but... Here we have many factors which we need to check
 
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Bone Gristle said:
Either way, asking me to stop discussing a potentially harmful issue in a unmoderated forum because you don't like what's being said about your lab is BS.
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it is not against you. it is against those who is blowing out this thread with stupid posts and senseless attacks without any rational arguments. We offered an absolutely obvious solution. Pomacanthidae and Sampei had the most reasonable posts here. There is absolutely no sense to jabber here until results are ready. And as Sampei said, those who think that just to change vials is a solution, they are not from his world, neither from mine.
All next foolish posts will only make this thread gibberish, which actually some persons have already done with our main thread here. nobody tries to burke this topic. we have nothing to hide. as i said anyone can test our gear. but if you post something it has to have some sense and not just trial to provoke a massive hysteria without any objective reason for it.
 
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GearGodess said:
although you shouldn't have to heat your gear period. There is no need for it...but some do it as the oil used is so thick.. hence the new trend of MCT
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For the record I'm on your side and still think this NPP that Luca posted, something is wrong with it.

I'm also with you on the "nookin" ordeal too. Warming the vial in a microwave is dense logic. Metal does not go in microwaves.

However, this vial is straight from local pharmacy. Sun Pharma. I think warming the hormone in hot water is ok.
 
Pharmacom Labs said:
do you have chemical education? where are experements here? if you don`t like microwave oven you can put them into hot water. i do not see any health risks here. any gear can crystallize at cold temperatures. if same vials were shipped in summer he would receive them untouched. there are in no way any health risks. finally lucabratzi contacted me per email and told he was trying to microwave nd it did not help. i consulted with our production team and they said there is no way that these crystalls would not melt in microwave oven. they asked me for video. i asked lucabratzi to provide video and promissed to replace of vials if this is really the case. but he preferred another solution, which is in my opinion much more risky as what i offered.
Even if we reship it could be easily he receives it crashed again. this is only influence of low temperature, nothing more.
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Excuse me, but what if the customer doesn't want to put their gear in the microwave because on your website the picture of the gear is clear and as a customer I would like to purchase what I see in the pic & now about the oil going through the cold, as a very successful company, couldn't you invest in a specialized shipping method specifically for cold weather conditions because I know you guys invest in stealth shipping so i recommend pharmacom (directed tword the owner) to consider something that specializes in all weather condition shipping so the oil will have less of a chance of crystallization upon arrival.
 
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