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[luckyduck]

Yeah I would love it to be a stopper. I have 25 unopened vials or pep gear on hand. Would love to think all of that is 100 percent clean gear. I got in late last night from work and to tell you the truth I am a bit burned out of this floater deal.

However I did say I would check it and I will. Because I know all you have on this board is your word. Bribe? Never thought of that...lol.

If I honestly thought it was part of the stopper I would not even came forth with this info. Sorry.if this might come out jumbled up on. The elliptical at the gym as I text.





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[luckyduck]

Plus I am still a little pissed off with some comments made. I want to come out with that info when I am not hot headed.

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[cgreen13]

Is the dbol in pill or capsules form?

 

[luckyduck]

Caps

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[TaoPhD]

Is the dbol in pill or capsules form?

Capsule

 

[TaoPhD]

Sorry.if this might come out jumbled up on. The elliptical at the gym as I text.





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Pppsssshhhh you must be on the elliptical everytume we PM!

 

[luckyduck]

Lol yeah sometimes my mind works that way always flying 90miles a hour. Haha!!!

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[TaoPhD]

Lol yeah sometimes my mind works that way always flying 90miles a hour. Haha!!!

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Ah touché monseniour

 

[luckyduck]

Well Duck, at this point it is not about dragging it out as much as it is about following through on what you said you would do. There are now members who are expecting to hear/see the results on this. I could be wrong but I believe that PEP himself would be put at ease to know.

Also, if you now do not complete this step, there is room for people reading this to say "oh, I see, PEP paid him off to keep this off of the board". Folks may question your motives behind it.

For the record, I will not draw any conclusion(s) from the above one way or another. I will say, though, as someone who has no skin in the game, that I will be quite surprised if this floater is not a piece of the rubber stopper. Maybe I am giving PEP too much credit?

Do whatcha wanna do, Duck. Just my two pennies.

Since you made that statement Bickel. I wonder if you or anyone thought that I might have been paid off by astro to make pep look bad.

Because astro showed pics of his lab and says his gear is 100percent clean right after I posted the floater. Just curious at this point what you and others think.

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[Ironman1980]

Since you made that statement Bickel. I wonder if you or anyone thought that I might have been paid off by astro to make pep look bad.

Because astro showed pics of his lab and says his gear is 100percent clean right after I posted the floater. Just curious at this point what you and others think.

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No way Lucky...that's the furthest thing from my mind & prob most everyone elses IMO. I can understand you getting tired of all this by now. It's been going on for a while now. What's the saying..."kicking a dead dog" or something like that. You posted pics already. It's your decision if you want to post hi res or not. It seems like everyone involved has already made immense. I say rock on!

 

[Candyskull]

Since you made that statement Bickel. I wonder if you or anyone thought that I might have been paid off by astro to make pep look bad.

Because astro showed pics of his lab and says his gear is 100percent clean right after I posted the floater. Just curious at this point what you and others think.

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I think you're concerned about what you put into your body, and you're concerned for the rest of us too. No bribe, no bullshit. I think you happened to be the unlucky winner of a free prize in your vial. I don't think it's PEP's modus operandi to make or ship dirty gear, I think he's just much busier than he was, and maybe he's trying to rush things at a cost of quality. Contamination happens. It's just one of those things. Minimizing it, and reassuring people you're doing the best you can to keep them safe is what's really the key.

Don't let it burn you out man. I know you had to have some serious shit in your head when you found that, and I appreciate you bringing it up. It's a reminder to all of us to be smart and stay safe. Don't let the comments get your Irish up. Everyone has different expectations and feelings, but I don't think anyone here disagrees with your motivations to do what you thought was right for the community even of they personally would have handled it differently, or they won't drop PEP as a source.

You're a good dude. Say some woosahs or some shit and crack that vial

 

[Kubrick]

Since you made that statement Bickel. I wonder if you or anyone thought that I might have been paid off by astro to make pep look bad.

Because astro showed pics of his lab and says his gear is 100percent clean right after I posted the floater. Just curious at this point what you and others think.

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I'n sure no one thinks you were paid off by Astro and I'm pretty sure Astro doesn't want to make PEP look bad. You did what you had to do and it was hard for you. You loved PEP and his service. At this point, move on brother. No one has any ill will towards you. As a matter of fact, it seems like a lot of these guys like having you around. I doubt anyone thinks you were paid off!

 

[bickel29]

Since you made that statement Bickel. I wonder if you or anyone thought that I might have been paid off by astro to make pep look bad.

Because astro showed pics of his lab and says his gear is 100percent clean right after I posted the floater. Just curious at this point what you and others think.

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Not only do I think you were paid off, I think that you were the one driving that get away car for Astro that Ben keeps referencing, complete with a duck bill covering your face and a black hood on.

C'mon Duck, now you are starting to get delusional my friend

I can only speak for me, but no, I definitely do not think that you have been paid off by anyone. If my memory serves me correctly, haven't you been critical of Astro in the past?

The reason I made the "paid off" reference is because there IS potential for people to question why all of a sudden you were backing off of the plan to remove the floater and inspect it and report on it. Like I said, I don't read anything into it one way or another, and I am indifferent whether you do or don't.

Quack on, Duck!

 

[1forthegeeks]

Damn duck 25 vials!

You weren't joking about stocking up.

 

[Stretch]

I think you're concerned about what you put into your body, and you're concerned for the rest of us too. No bribe, no bullshit. I think you happened to be the unlucky winner of a free prize in your vial. I don't think it's PEP's modus operandi to make or ship dirty gear, I think he's just much busier than he was, and maybe he's trying to rush things at a cost of quality. Contamination happens. It's just one of those things. Minimizing it, and reassuring people you're doing the best you can to keep them safe is what's really the key.

Don't let it burn you out man. I know you had to have some serious shit in your head when you found that, and I appreciate you bringing it up. It's a reminder to all of us to be smart and stay safe. Don't let the comments get your Irish up. Everyone has different expectations and feelings, but I don't think anyone here disagrees with your motivations to do what you thought was right for the community even of they personally would have handled it differently, or they won't drop PEP as a source.

You're a good dude. Say some woosahs or some shit and crack that vial

I don't think PEP had to, necessarily, be rushed or hurried to have something in a vial.

You guys would be shocked to know how often fiber particulate is contained in vials. I believe the fiber particulate to be filter related because I have found it in even the most respected of UGL's. Biologic has put out gear with fiber. (once) Biologic put out gear which crashed. (once)

For that matter, even pharmaceutical companies go through recalls and contamination issues. Humans make these products, and they don't call it "human error" without a reason. If you guys want gear that has a 0% chance of being contaminated you're in for a rude awakening because such a thing doesn't exist. PERIOD. (fungal meningitis...what?)

All sources mitigate the risk of contamination to varying degrees. Obviously, the IDEAL situation, if sterility is of the utmost importance to you, is to buy legitimate pharmaceutical grade products. If you go with a UGL, the risk IMMEDIATELY jumps exponentially. If you've made the decision to go with a UGL, and you have a brain, this should be obvious to you.

I've read several pages of this debate, but I haven't seen any pictures of the particulate. Are we sure it isn't just crashed gear? Has the vial been warmed/shaken?

 

[1forthegeeks]

I don't think PEP had to, necessarily, be rushed or hurried to have something in a vial.



You guys would be shocked to know how often fiber particulate is contained in vials. I believe the fiber particulate to be filter related because I have found it in even the most respected of UGL's. Biologic has put out gear with fiber. (once) Biologic put out gear which crashed. (once)



For that matter, even pharmaceutical companies go through recalls and contamination issues. Humans make these products, and they don't call it "human error" without a reason. If you guys want gear that has a 0% chance of being contaminated you're in for a rude awakening because such a thing doesn't exist. PERIOD. (fungal meningitis...what?)



All sources mitigate the risk of contamination to varying degrees. Obviously, the IDEAL situation, if sterility is of the utmost importance to you, is to buy legitimate pharmaceutical grade products. If you go with a UGL, the risk IMMEDIATELY jumps exponentially. If you've made the decision to go with a UGL, and you have a brain, this should be obvious to you.



I've read several pages of this debate, but I haven't seen any pictures of the particulate. Are we sure it isn't just crashed gear? Has the vial been warmed/shaken?

Hey stretch,

Duck put up pictures in the pep review thread. It's easier to scan through.

 

[TGC]

I just got an order from PEP and it is clean as a whistle. I am certainly no expert, but things happen. Seems to me he went beyond making it right. Shit, I've found everything short of an actual Mexican floating in the old Mex Vet stuff we used.

 

[TaoPhD]

I just got an order from PEP and it is clean as a whistle. I am certainly no expert, but things happen. Seems to me he went beyond making it right. Shit, I've found everything short of an actual Mexican floating in the old Mex Vet stuff we used.

That was pretty funny

 

[Kubrick]

I don't think PEP had to, necessarily, be rushed or hurried to have something in a vial.

You guys would be shocked to know how often fiber particulate is contained in vials. I believe the fiber particulate to be filter related because I have found it in even the most respected of UGL's. Biologic has put out gear with fiber. (once) Biologic put out gear which crashed. (once)

For that matter, even pharmaceutical companies go through recalls and contamination issues. Humans make these products, and they don't call it "human error" without a reason. If you guys want gear that has a 0% chance of being contaminated you're in for a rude awakening because such a thing doesn't exist. PERIOD. (fungal meningitis...what?)

All sources mitigate the risk of contamination to varying degrees. Obviously, the IDEAL situation, if sterility is of the utmost importance to you, is to buy legitimate pharmaceutical grade products. If you go with a UGL, the risk IMMEDIATELY jumps exponentially. If you've made the decision to go with a UGL, and you have a brain, this should be obvious to you.

I've read several pages of this debate, but I haven't seen any pictures of the particulate. Are we sure it isn't just crashed gear? Has the vial been warmed/shaken?

It's a small red floater. He uses red stoppers. Duck says the color is different from the stopper. Sometimes a loose piece can give the illusion of a different shade. Hopefully that's all it was.

 

[Stretch]

It's a small red floater. He uses red stoppers. Duck says the color is different from the stopper. Sometimes a loose piece can give the illusion of a different shade. Hopefully that's all it was.

Yeah I looked at it now.

Certainly can't say for sure that it ISN'T the stopper. From the pics, it definitely looks possible. I don't really understand how a stopper, which hasn't been stabbed, drops a small piece of itself into the vial. And I've crimped thousands of vials. I think more than likely the rubber stopper is just a convenient thing for sources to blame particulate on.

That's my real opinion. The stopper thing is 99% bullshit IME. Unless you've been stabbing the vial, then stopper material can contaminate the oil.

I'm just saying, you guys are dreaming if you think you're going to find a UGL that can put out 50,000 PERFECT vials in a row. Not biologic. Not astro. Not pep. Not hulk, or naps, or GeTm either....NO ONE. Mistakes will be made. Any source who suggests otherwise is full of shit.

I'm not sure if you guys caught the Fungal Meningitis reference, but Pharmaceutical companies make mistakes too. Where you get into problems is when you get into multiple reports of contaminates, or where a pattern is established.