ZRT mail-in blood and saliva test kits

bostonturtle

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Anyone have experience with these:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Dhpc&field-keywords=zrt

They seem to have good reviews.
I live in a state without private labs and cannot drive over the border as they check IDs.
Anyone use these in place of labs?
If not, point me to the right kits and I'll buy and review them for my NY, RI, MA brethren.
 
This?
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=bl_sr_hpc?ie=UTF8&field-brandtextbin=ZRT%2FVirginia+Hopkins+Test+Kits&node=3760901

It's basically a "ZRT" search on amazon
 
Gonna give it a go. Don't have labcorp or quest diagnostic where I'm at.

Not gonna do saliva. Just the dried blood drop. Might post results up in the lab testing forum as I'm currently 4 weeks into some Astro products.
 
Gonna give it a go. Don't have labcorp or quest diagnostic where I'm at.

Not gonna do saliva. Just the dried blood drop. Might post results up in the lab testing forum as I'm currently 4 weeks into some Astro products.

Nice romeleos, I would be interested in the results and TA.
It would be nice to do a side by side test with labcorp
 
I tried asking what is range for the testosterone test but didn't get a straight answer. I took a look at their sample report and it looks like it tops out at about 1100.

We'll see what happens. Should have my test kit in a few days. I'm more concerned for my E2 levels so I can dial in my AI dosage. Been going by feel, hopefully I didn't crash it.

Kind of skeptical about the test level results because it's so little of a blood sample. Supposedly they are doing mass spec on the sample and don't need much. I'm not an expert nor did I stay at a holiday inn so I'm just gonna take this one for the meso team.
 
I got the cheaper male hormone panel. The more expensive one has metabolic hormone testing which I didn't need. I think it was $190. I also got the igf1 test to see if Karl's GH has any bio efficacy. That test is $85. Almost $300 for everything with next day shipping.
 
Ok test done and delivered.

What a bitch! Damn blood drop test required 12 drops. Problem was I couldn't get more than one drop from one lance of a finger. Wound kept stopping.

So I had to prick my hands/fingers 12 times. The kit only came with 2 lancets so I ended up using a slin pin for ten.

I think I rather take a 18G to the glute than a 29G to the finger
tips. Way more nerve endings and pain receptors in the fingers.

Hopefully I get suitable test results in a week. Almost not worth it. I wish I had labcorp or quest where I'm at.
 
Do you mean the results are not accurate?

I have found it unreliable and at times way off. In controlled studies, there are some good reports, but what is done via the mail is a whole different order. Further, what is the purpose for the testing.
 
[On the upside, but methodological dependent which is not a mailer.]

A Critical Evaluation of Salivary Testosterone as a Method for the Assessment of Serum Testosterone


Highlights
·Passive drooling is the collection method of choice for testosterone in saliva.
·Salivary testosterone is not directly comparable to serum free testosterone due to T binding to saliva proteins.
·In healthy adult males the testosterone protein binding effect is negligible.

Fiers T, Delanghe J, T'Sjoen G, Caenegem EV, Wierckx K, Kaufman JM. A Critical evaluation of salivary testosterone as a method for the assessment of serum testosterone. Steroids. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0039128X14000841

Although salivary testosterone (T) is often used in clinical studies accuracy is mostly questionable. State of the art data for men is sparse and for women absent. Our objective was to perform a critical evaluation of salivary T (Sal-T) as a method for indirect assessment of serum T using state of the art methods. Saliva was collected via 'salivette' and 'passive drooling' methods. Sal-T and free T in serum after equilibrium dialysis were measured by LS-MS/MS.

RESULTS: Evaluation of Sal-T results versus free T by equilibrium dialysis (ED-T) for men gave: 'salivette' Sal-T=0.05+0.88xED-T, r= 0.43; 'passive drooling' Sal-T= 0.17 + 0.91xED-T r=0.71. In women, correlation was comparable but values are higher than free T: 'passive drooling' Sal-T= 0.12 + 2.32x ED-T, r=0.70. The higher than expected T values in saliva, appear to be explained by T binding to salivary proteins. Iso-electric focusing of saliva proteins, followed by fractionation and LC-MSMS assay of T showed marked testosterone peaks at pH 5.3 and 8.4, providing evidence for T binding in saliva to proteins such as albumin and proline rich protein (PRP).

CONCLUSIONS: Passive drooling is the collection method of choice for testosterone in saliva. Sal-T is not directly comparable to serum free T due to T binding to saliva proteins, which substantially affects the low Sal-T in women but not the higher Sal-T in healthy adult men.
 
I didn't do the saliva. I did the blood drop test.

I too am skeptical of the ability to obtain reliable results from such a small sample. Wish I had more options in my neck of the woods.

This trial is to help those in a similar situation.
 
I didn't do the saliva. I did the blood drop test.

I too am skeptical of the ability to obtain reliable results from such a small sample. Wish I had more options in my neck of the woods.

This trial is to help those in a similar situation.

IIRC, blood drop is even more unreliable. Let me search.
 
Yes, I assume it's due to the sample being capillary blood.

I appreciate your time and attention.
 
From this 1997 study, filter paper for sample collection is gtg.

Howe CJ, Handelsman DJ. Use of filter paper for sample collection and transport in steroid pharmacology. Clin Chem 1997;43(8 Pt 1):1408-15. http://www.clinchem.org/content/43/8/1408.long


Field studies of androgen pharmacology are complicated by the necessity to collect, process, and store blood samples in a central facility. We have assessed the feasibility of using capillary blood spots collected by fingerprick and dried on filter paper for pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamic measurements with nandrolone and testosterone RIAs modified for extracts from capillary blood spots.

Assays on punched spots of 7.9-mm diameter (14.9 microL of dried blood) permitted accurate quantification of testosterone down to 0.4 nmol/L from a single spot and nandrolone down to 0.9 nmol/L from two spots. Stability of the steroids in dried blood spots to adverse environmental conditions, notably increased temperatures, was investigated both in the laboratory and in field studies of dried spots sent through the postal system.

Storage or postal transport under moderate conditions appeared to have no deleterious effects on apparent androgen concentrations. However, under extreme conditions of storage at 50 degrees C for a week or more, or transport to a very hot tropical location, a rise in the final concentration of nandrolone, and, to a lesser extent, testosterone when corrected for tracer recovery, was noticed. These effects were largely due to apparent susceptibility of tritiated tracer, but not unlabeled androgen, to thermal degradation.

In a pilot pharmacological study involving intramuscular injection of 100 mg of nandrolone decanoate in 1 mL of arachis oil, nandrolone concentrations in concurrently collected plasma as well as venous and capillary blood spots showed good agreement.

Testosterone concentrations in contemporaneously collected plasma and venous blood spots also showed very good agreement.

We propose that these methods may allow patients and experimental subjects to self-collect samples at remote or field locations for convenient mailing to a central laboratory for androgen assay. Applications of this methodology are now under way.
 
Thanks Dr. Scally, I was looking at that Test on Amazon.
Thought it would be easier than my Usual Route.
Either the VA or PrivateMdLabs........................... JP
 
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