Customer Reviews and Company Representatives

[MindlessWork]

God D** brother, you are wise beyond your years. Looking good by the way. Bringing those arms up. Keep it up, and you may make me envious

Thanks brother

 

[Big_paul]

Freedom of speech isn't for the fearful and easily intimidated.

It is not solely about "information sharing". It is about supporting and substantiating the information you share.

Everyone needs to be prepared to defend the "information" they post.

You did it again If you call someone a shill back it up.

 

[Big_paul]

See isn't this nice. We can agree on some things and disagree on other things but when the conversation is over we ars still friends.

If I knew how you put a link in a post from you tube It would be the young bloods "Get together". I think this is going to be a nice day.

 

[Big_paul]

Thanks brother

No problem my friend. Credit where credit is due.

 

[manafest]

In my life Many idiots opinions/views on things have changed my initial outlook on a subject even though it was a far cry away from theirs. So yes everyones opinions count

 

[pumpingiron22]

I understand to agree or disagree. But 5 pages of accusations.. That is harassment. With no proof. I respect you Millard but you fail to see how people are afraid is that your fault no. There is a form of cyber bullying go on here. One comment or two but 5 pages is ridiculous. One day some one is going to take this to heart. And hurt there selves there are real people behind these avatar's with real feelings. Why is the behavior allowed?

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Go take a look at what cbs is doing to PI. What is that called?

It's called criticizing a worthless review.

Is he free to leave a review.

Am I free to criticize it?

Yeah I could of been decent but it basically moderated.

Was your "review" deleted? No. So how was it "moderated?"

You not allowed to make a simple comment with out being ridiculed and called a trader and have a agenda I thought the purpose was to share info.

You could be called a traitor, too. Nice Freudian slip, though.

You shared your info and I shared mine. Newsflash: Pointing out the possibility that you might have an agenda and could be a "trader" IS sharing info, PI. You don't see it as legit criticism because you don't like it. But that doesn't make it illegitimate.

There needs to be guidance. Or it needs to be took down for awhile.

Do you wear overalls and smoke a corncob pipe, PI? (Asking for a friend.)

But members are scared to make a comment I. Fear they will get called out and fingered pointed.things that they are not.

Opinion and freedom of speech is one thing bullying and harassment is a whole different story. It hurts.

But also harassment and bullying tactics also restrict people freedom of speech by making comments due to fear.

Poor baby. Shame on that mean CBS for bullying you? Hey, maybe Millard can setup a safe space here at Meso for you and Paul. Some crayons, Play-Doh, milk and cookies, and more importantly, no more harassment and mean words. It'll be a place where you can make all the claims you want and no one will be allowed to criticize them.

I see threats, insults and intimidation. It is designed to silence members.

I see someone who doesn't know the meaning of threats, insults and intimidation. Here, Paul - consider this your Christmas gift from me: Dictionary and Thesaurus | Merriam-Webster

I learned my lesson though. I got in the gutter and trash talked. That was a huge mistake. I will not do it again.

I give it less than a month before you have another episode. Maybe even before the end the day. You never can tell with these things.

Also I will not act like I'm a victim as I played in to the name calling.

See your red highlighted quotes above, PI. "It hurts." It's a little late to deny the victim act.

Cbs said he can smell blood in the water, and nothing can save him. He is speaking of PI22. Now is that a death threat? No of coarse not. It's a figure of speech. Now If someone says I'd like to put a pill in your head. Is that a death threat? No of coarse I isn't.

The verb form is the main difference, Paul - or at least one of the main differences. You know, past, present, future? Look up the definition of tense in your new Christmas present.

I think anyone should feel free to post anything. We can see through the shills. Even if it makes you cringe. I'm all about free speech, don't get me wrong.

As long as the speech doesn't involve criticizing anyone else's claims because that would be harassment and harassment creates an environment of fear, and fear hurts, right Paul? Other than that, you're all in favor of free speech.

 

[pumpingiron22]

Poor baby. Shame on that mean CBS for bullying you? Hey, maybe Millard can setup a safe space here at Meso for you and Paul. Some crayons, Play-Doh, milk and cookies, and more importantly, no more harassment and mean words. It'll be a place where you can make all the claims you want and no one will be allowed to criticize them.
Thanks now I'm going to go kill my self good bye......................

 

[Millard]

I understand to agree or disagree. But 5 pages of accusations.. That is harassment. With no proof. I respect you Millard but you fail to see how people are afraid is that your fault no. There is a form of cyber bullying go on here.

I don't have the patience for people who can't stand up for what they believe. They have been given the opportunity to do so. They should make the most of it.

(1) Just because you are an "awesome member", I know many people are afraid to call out your behavior if they see it as suspicious. But if they strongly believe it may not be in the best interest of the community (or whatever other reason), I would hope they have the courage and determination to pursue it and stand up to an "awesome member".

(2) Just because @CensoredBoardsSuck might disagree with a certain type of behavior, I know many people are afraid to engage in it. But if they strongly believe it may not be in the best interest of the community (or whatever other reason), I would hope they have the courage and determination to pursue it and stand up to @CensoredBoardsSuck

What I see as the primary dispute between you and CBS is you defending your behavior and CBS criticizing it.

The secondary dispute between you and CBS is CBS defending his behavior (in calling out your behavior) and you criticizing it.

I think both are worthy of addressing.

Protecting members from fear of a heated debate/discussion should never be a reason for censorship.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I don't have the patience for people who can't stand up for what they believe. They have been given the opportunity to do so. They should make the most of it.

(1) Just because you are an "awesome member", I know many people are afraid to call out your behavior if they see it as suspicious. But if they strongly believe it may not be in the best interest of the community (or whatever other reason), I would hope they have the courage and determination to pursue it and stand up to an "awesome member".

(2) Just because @CensoredBoardsSuck might disagree with a certain type of behavior, I know many people are afraid to engage in it. But if they strongly believe it may not be in the best interest of the community (or whatever other reason), I would hope they have the courage and determination to pursue it and stand up to @CensoredBoardsSuck

Right. I've noticed in the other thread that a surprising number of members believe we should be paying deference to the WKM/Awesome member title - or at least suggesting that "lesser" or newer members shouldn't be permitted to criticize WKMs because they haven't earned that right or that WKM have supposedly earned respect and therefore they are above any criticism, especially from lesser members.

That is an example of hierarchies in action and it's not what Meso is about. All members should feel free to criticize anyone if they believe they are engaging in nefarious or some other "wrong" behavior. No one should be discouraged or silenced from offering criticism based on how long they've been a member. Criticism should be evaluated on the quality of the argument and the evidence presented, not titles.

We've already seen what happens when members are given a pass because of their status: They achieve a god-like status with which they can use to scam members without any fear of someone calling them out because everyone is afraid of the repercussions. Stretch, anyone?

Bring the criticism on. I can take it and am willing to defend my position to anyone. I know you can too, Millard. So should everyone else.

 

[manafest]

Right. I've noticed in the other thread that a surprising number of members believe we should be paying deference to the WKM/Awesome member title - or at least suggesting that "lesser" or newer members shouldn't be permitted to criticize WKMs because they haven't earned that right or that WKM have supposedly earned respect and therefore they are above any criticism, especially from lesser members.

That is an example of hierarchies in action and it's not what Meso is about. All members should feel free to criticize anyone if they believe they are engaging in nefarious or some other "wrong" behavior. No one should be discouraged or silenced from offering criticism based on how long they've been a member. Criticism should be evaluated on the quality of the argument and the evidence presented, not titles.

We've already seen what happens when members are given a pass because of their status: They achieve a god-like status with which they can use to scam members without any fear of someone calling them out because everyone is afraid of the repercussions. Stretch, anyone?

Bring the criticism on. I can take it and am willing to defend my position to anyone. I know you can too, Millard. So should everyone else.

what position are you exactly? top ? bottom? otherwise I assume your free pass title?

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

Right. I've noticed in the other thread that a surprising number of members believe we should be paying deference to the WKM/Awesome member title - or at least suggesting that "lesser" or newer members shouldn't be permitted to criticize WKMs because they haven't earned that right or that WKM have supposedly earned respect and therefore they are above any criticism, especially from lesser members.

That is an example of hierarchies in action and it's not what Meso is about. All members should feel free to criticize anyone if they believe they are engaging in nefarious or some other "wrong" behavior. No one should be discouraged or silenced from offering criticism based on how long they've been a member. Criticism should be evaluated on the quality of the argument and the evidence presented, not titles.

it's not the WKM title..the "title" doesnt mean shit.
Contributions to the community and quality of said contributions always trump duration of membership in my mind. No one is above criticism, period. However, like MB stated everyone should be ready to stand and defend their beliefs. In the particular instance of one new member criticizing PI's actions, it turned out to be total hypocrisy on his part, which I pointed out.

I also pointed out I wasn't defending the actions in question anyway, I was questioning the source of said accusations, which is part of due diligence on our behalf as well. I think your comment about hierarchies in action is an interesting topic of discussion though. Hierarchies will always exist in any community, it's natural order. My argument would be that anyone whom thinks the "hierarchy" is accurately portrayed by "time served" or silly little tags or post count is just gravely mistaken.

 

[grey]

But 5 pages of accusations.. That is harassment.

No it isn't. 50 pages of criticism or accusations isn't either. There isn't a volume limit. Nor should there be.

 

[pumpingiron22]

Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[Big_paul]

It's called criticizing a worthless review.



Am I free to criticize it?



Was your "review" deleted? No. So how was it "moderated?"



You could be called a traitor, too. Nice Freudian slip, though.

You shared your info and I shared mine. Newsflash: Pointing out the possibility that you might have an agenda and could be a "trader" IS sharing info, PI. You don't see it as legit criticism because you don't like it. But that doesn't make it illegitimate.




Do you wear overalls and smoke a corncob pipe, PI? (Asking for a friend.)







Poor baby. Shame on that mean CBS for bullying you? Hey, maybe Millard can setup a safe space here at Meso for you and Paul. Some crayons, Play-Doh, milk and cookies, and more importantly, no more harassment and mean words. It'll be a place where you can make all the claims you want and no one will be allowed to criticize them.



I see someone who doesn't know the meaning of threats, insults and intimidation. Here, Paul - consider this your Christmas gift from me: Dictionary and Thesaurus | Merriam-Webster



I give it less than a month before you have another episode. Maybe even before the end the day. You never can tell with these things.



See your red highlighted quotes above, PI. "It hurts." It's a little late to deny the victim act.



The verb form is the main difference, Paul - or at least one of the main differences. You know, past, present, future? Look up the definition of tense in your new Christmas present.



As long as the speech doesn't involve criticizing anyone else's claims because that would be harassment and harassment creates an environment of fear, and fear hurts, right Paul? Other than that, you're all in favor of free speech.

Dam this is a book. A rambling book. How about this be my Christmas present. I didn't get you anything sorry.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Dam this is a book. A rambling book. How about this be my Christmas present. I didn't get you anything sorry.

Well, if there's one thing you know about, Paul, it's rambling.

What set you off at TID anyway? Something special or just the same old same old?

 

[Big_paul]

I thought you already knew. I told you secret stuff. Now why don't you tell us why you were demoted from vet to member.

Was it your charming personality?

 

[Big_paul]

Dam this is a book. A rambling book. How about this be my Christmas present. I didn't get you anything sorry.

I didn't write this you did. Me, I'm the one rambling. I wouldn't give you the satisfaction. Besides I gave Millard my word. No more problems.

I mean, I don't mind. You have been around long enough for everyone to get to know you.

Why does a guy who doesn't work out or use gear care so much about a bbing board?

 

[Big_paul]

Cbs I'm bored now. Can we pick this up latter? Now I'm going to be gone until the 27th. Sun Valley for the holidays.

Merry Christmas.

 

[pumpingiron22]

I don't have the patience for people who can't stand up for what they believe. They have been given the opportunity to do so. They should make the most of it.

(1) Just because you are an "awesome member", I know many people are afraid to call out your behavior if they see it as suspicious. But if they strongly believe it may not be in the best interest of the community (or whatever other reason), I would hope they have the courage and determination to pursue it and stand up to an "awesome member".

(2) Just because @CensoredBoardsSuck might disagree with a certain type of behavior, I know many people are afraid to engage in it. But if they strongly believe it may not be in the best interest of the community (or whatever other reason), I would hope they have the courage and determination to pursue it and stand up to @CensoredBoardsSuck

What I see as the primary dispute between you and CBS is you defending your behavior and CBS criticizing it.

The secondary dispute between you and CBS is CBS defending his behavior (in calling out your behavior) and you criticizing it.

I think both are worthy of addressing.

Protecting members from fear of a heated debate/discussion should never be a reason for censorship.

Well you can sure bet I will stand up for my self. As I believe in honor trust. I work hard 247 and will not waiver faulter from my position of what the truth is. And will not be bullied in to something that's not true.