Boil powders in concentrated alcohol to sterilize them?

[master.on]

Pretty much like boiling potatoes to cook them.
You don't need to dissolve powders, just enough alcohol to submerge the powder

DON'T EVER USE METHYL ALCOHOL, IT'S POISONOUS. ONLY USE ETHYL ALCOHOL.

Concentrated alcohol kills all bacteria and virus so why not leave it for a couple hours and boil it?
Alcohol is flammable so you'll need a rubber stopper a tube and a hose to vent evaporated alcohol to the outside so it can't catch fire from the hot stove.
http://www.chemistryland.com/CHM130FieldLab/Lab7/StopperFlask.jpg

The only downside I see is that some alcohol MIGHT react with the steroid
i.e. test enanthate + alcohol might become test no ester + ethyl enanthate
ethyl enanthate boils at 372 F, 189 C
Ethyl heptanoate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ethyl decanoate boils at 473 F 245 C
So you may want to fully heat or even bake powders afterwards

You can also sterilize oil boiling it in alcohol but be careful as sesame oil decomposes at 350 F 177 C
(smoke point)
Smoke point - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
IMO this may finally explain why some UGLs vials are black, because they heated the oil in a (well intentioned but failed) attempt to sterilize it but they ended up burning the oil.

Concentrated alcohol kills way more bacteria and virus than heating with no risk of burning the oil.
While ethyl alcohol boils at only 173 F 78 C, most alcohol has some water thus heating to 212 F 100 C is needed to boil the remaining water.

 

[Big_poppa_Bren]

Too much fucking about and risk of damaging the hormone. Would do nothing a .22 filter won't.

 

[Big_paul]

No. Just filter the product using a 22.5nm filter.

Sterile.

 

[MassTurk]

This is another fucking troll. Shut the fuck up with your theories before you get somebody to hurt themselves this is not Meth you're cooking you dumbass. Boiling alcohol fucking really ????

 

[Gramps]

Alcohol boils right around 173 degrees. What exactly will this kill? Maybe a rat, but it'll be more likely to drown than boil to death.

 

[master.on]

Alcohol kills bacteria and virus on contact it denatures their proteins or something

 

[Docd187123]

Alcohol kills bacteria and virus on contact it denatures their proteins or something

Alcohol does not kill bacterial spores, some protazoa, or non enveloped viruses. Your idea is ridiculous.

 

[Wunderpus]

Alcohol kills bacteria and virus on contact it denatures their proteins or something

Not only does this not make sense to me at all, it's the evaporation that causes the most amount of "sterilization" from the alcohol in the first place.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Well, the CDC endorses alcohol in high concentrations:
CDC - Disinfection & Sterilization Guideline:Disinfection - HICPAC

Dousing in Everclear overnight should sanitize nicely. The bacteria that can form spores thankfully seem rare.

Boiling it looks like an episode theme from Breaking Bad - an episode that ends in a fiery way.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about this other than what I found online...

 

[Docd187123]

Well, the CDC endorses alcohol in high concentrations:
CDC - Disinfection & Sterilization Guideline:Disinfection - HICPAC

Dousing in Everclear overnight should sanitize nicely. The bacteria that can form spores thankfully seem rare.

Boiling it looks like an episode theme from Breaking Bad - an episode that ends in a fiery way.

Disclaimer: I know nothing about this other than what I found online...

Sanitizing and sterilizing are two distinct processes.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Sanitizing and sterilizing are two distinct processes.

You're nitpicking - note that the CDC has this listed under "Disinfection and Sterilization" - note especially:

"These alcohols are rapidly bactericidal rather than bacteriostatic against vegetative forms of bacteria; they also are tuberculocidal, fungicidal, and virucidal but do not destroy bacterial spores. Their cidal activity drops sharply when diluted below 50% concentration, and the optimum bactericidal concentration is 60%–90% solutions in water (volume/volume)"​

Thus soaking in 90% (or 95%?) Everclear overnight should take care of just about everything - except those bacterial spores, which seem to be rather rare anyway. Not perfect, but neither are condoms, yet we use them.

 

[Big_poppa_Bren]

Why reinvent the wheel? Absolutely nothing worthwhile here...... nothing

 

[Docd187123]

You're nitpicking - note that the CDC has this listed under "Disinfection and Sterilization" - note especially:

"These alcohols are rapidly bactericidal rather than bacteriostatic against vegetative forms of bacteria; they also are tuberculocidal, fungicidal, and virucidal but do not destroy bacterial spores. Their cidal activity drops sharply when diluted below 50% concentration, and the optimum bactericidal concentration is 60%–90% solutions in water (volume/volume)"​

Thus soaking in 90% (or 95%?) Everclear overnight should take care of just about everything - except those bacterial spores, which seem to be rather rare anyway. Not perfect, but neither are condoms, yet we use them.

I admittedly did not read your link just responded to what you actually wrote. nitpicking would be correcting a spelling mistake or something. Read up on pharmaceuticals/pharmacology/etc and you'll quickly learn you're in over your head.

Also from your article:

FDA has not cleared any liquid chemical sterilant or high-level disinfectant with alcohol as the main active ingredient.

Alcohols are not recommended for sterilizing medical and surgical materials principally because they lack sporicidal action and they cannot penetrate protein-rich materials. Fatal postoperative wound infections with Clostridium have occurred when alcohols were used to sterilize surgical instruments contaminated with bacterial spores


Furthermore, alcohol does not filter out any contaminants that will most certainly be found in someone's homebrew so you'll need to filter anyway and filtering, with the right pore sized filter, sterilizes much better than alcohol ever could.

So yes, you are correct condoms aren't perfect and we still use them, we use them in the context they were intended and designed to be used in not in some ridiculous, unintended manner you and OP seem to be entertaining.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I admittedly did not read your link just responded to what you actually wrote. nitpicking would be correcting a spelling mistake or something. Read up on pharmaceuticals/pharmacology/etc and you'll quickly learn you're in over your head.

Also from your article:

FDA has not cleared any liquid chemical sterilant or high-level disinfectant with alcohol as the main active ingredient.

Alcohols are not recommended for sterilizing medical and surgical materials principally because they lack sporicidal action and they cannot penetrate protein-rich materials. Fatal postoperative wound infections with Clostridium have occurred when alcohols were used to sterilize surgical instruments contaminated with bacterial spores


Furthermore, alcohol does not filter out any contaminants that will most certainly be found in someone's homebrew so you'll need to filter anyway and filtering, with the right pore sized filter, sterilizes much better than alcohol ever could.

So yes, you are correct condoms aren't perfect and we still use them, we use them in the context they were intended and designed to be used in not in some ridiculous, unintended manner you and OP seem to be entertaining.

You're still picking nits - and misreading - I also think OP's original idea is silly if not dangerous, but on a scale of things, soaking in alcohol and letting that evaporate is a lot better than his boiling meth idea. Nearly pure alcohol CLEARLY has very good bactericidal properties.

Personally, I buy my gear in proven pharmacies in Asia - it's probably as clean as the compounded stuff I get here in the US.

 

[Docd187123]

You're still picking nits

It's only nitpicking bc you don't understand what's being discussed.

- and misreading - I also think OP's original idea is silly if not dangerous,

Good, this we can both agree on.

but on a scale of things, soaking in alcohol and letting that evaporate is a lot better than his boiling meth idea. Nearly pure alcohol CLEARLY has very good bactericidal properties.

I don't think the boiling meth was his idea, somebody else was using it as a joke.

And you're incorrect. 70% isopropyl has better bacteriacidal properties than "nearly pure" alcohol. This is bc the purer the alcohol the quicker it evaporates and so while it will coagulate the outside protein layer, it also prevents the alcohol from getting deeper into the bacteria and truly killing it. Instead it can leave it in a dormant state.

Personally, I buy my gear in proven pharmacies in Asia - it's probably as clean as the compounded stuff I get here in the US.

And I homebrew my gear. The whole topic of discussion OP started is retarded bc you don't sterilize the powder anyway. You sterilize the final solution.

 

[master.on]

Not only does this not make sense to me at all, it's the evaporation that causes the most amount of "sterilization" from the alcohol in the first place.

How does ethyl alcohol kill bacteria?
UCSB Science Line
So concentrated alcohol DOES kill bacteria

Why reinvent the wheel? Absolutely nothing worthwhile here...... nothing

Cause some sources sell unsterile gear
Truefighter (the hacker that may bring down most sources) claims infected boldenone killed his brother

 

[Big_poppa_Bren]

And it's well known that some UG will cut corners. So for someone who doesn't homebrew and insists on buying UG the issue is easily remedied by putting all UG gear through a .22 filter and into a pre sterilied vial.

 

[Docd187123]

And it's well known that some UG will cut corners. So for someone who doesn't homebrew and insists on buying UG the issue is easily remedied by putting all UG gear through a .22 filter and into a pre sterilied vial.

And it's so much fucking easier, not to mention more effective AND the RIGHT way to do it. This isn't a difficult concept lol

 

[ebkallday]

And it's so much fucking easier, not to mention more effective AND the RIGHT way to do it. This isn't a difficult concept lol

sterile .22 whatman every fucking time!! $4 is a lot less than an infection costs.

 

[Big_paul]

And it's well known that some UG will cut corners. So for someone who doesn't homebrew and insists on buying UG the issue is easily remedied by putting all UG gear through a .22 filter and into a pre sterilied vial.

Some who don't give a fuck about their customers use 45nm filtration. It is usually the little guy trying to build a business and his thumb gets sore filtering with a 22.5