First Cycle, info always helps!

[gainsforyourgirl]

What's up brothers, I am looking to start my first cycle within the next few weeks and I am in need of a little advice. I have been doing some research over the past couple months, and let me just say, I definitely don't know it all lol. I have some knowledge of AAS usage but a little more advice couldn't hurt. So just in case you haven't seen my new member intro I'm 24, 5'11, 185 lbs, BMI 26, BFP 13%. Before I start posting about any cycle, I want to clarify that I will be getting blood work done next week to determine all my levels before my cycle. I will also get bloods again mid way through and after full cycle including PCT. So now I am going to post 2 separate cycles,(obviously I'm only going to run one) but my objective is to see which cycle you bros prefer, and see the changes you guys would make, add ons, take outs, whatever, the whole 9. I am deathly afraid of getting gyno, that is why I want to run such a low test dose on either cycle, and especially on the Dbol cycle. So anything you guys might have to help, would be greatly appreciated. Note, this is my first time using any type of AAS. *Also i don't know if I am prone to gyno or anything, I just really don't wanna wake up one day with tits. *Reason for test e dose so low. If you think I should bump it up or whatever you guys think, just let me know please! Thanks in advance!

Cycle one: Test E + Anavar - 10 weeks
week 1-10 200mg test E (split 100mg mon/thur) -maybe 400mg split 200? idk
week 1-6 Anavar 80mg ED
week 2-10 arimidex .5mg EOD or .25mg EOD ??
week 13-16 (PCT) clomid 50/50/50/25 nolva 40/30/20/10
also I was thinking of taking creatine throughout the whole cycle at 5-10g ED ?

OR

Cycle two: Test E + Dbol - 10 weeks
week 1-10 200mg test E (split 100mg mon/thur) -maybe 400mg split 200? idk
week 1-4 Dbol 20mg ED for first 2 weeks/ 40mg ED for last 2 weeks
week 1-10 arimidex .5mg EOD or .25mg EOD ??
week 13-16 (PCT) clomid 50/50/50/25 nolva 40/30/20/10 (or should this be more cause dbol?)
I will also have letro on hand just in case I do feel some gyno.

So basically I want to know which cycle you guys think I should start with, my purpose is to get bigger and stronger. I am not in competitive body building, nor do I really care for a 6 pack. I just want to look better overall for myself, and I start football in about a year, so i have time, but time flies! So I know my cycles aren't even close to perfect, that is why I am posting this to get any and all info, good or bad. My Dbol cycle plan, I know is flawed, so I would really appreciate the feedback! Also if gyno does occur, will letro stop it in its tracks? How much letro would I need to take? Also is there any other OCT product you recommend for either cycle? As for PCT, would it be good to take clomid and nolva ED together? *Note for almost 3 years I was heavily drinking daily, and Ive done my fair share of booger sugar as well. Thank you again to everyone who reads this. Meso you are the best!

-gainsforyourgirl

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

I only want to run a 10 week cycle at first to see how my body responds, If it takes it well Ill run 12 week cycles from then on.

 

[Ryno1980]

Test e and dbol.... it's your first cycle... might as well blow the fuck up

 

[Geterdun]

I would do just a Test E, or C for 10-12 weeks at 500mgs/wk. pin 250mgs Mon and 250mgs Thurs. you can use DBol as a kick start, but you really don't need to. Keep your Adex on hand and if signs of Gyno show up, you can start it. Some take it from day 1 and others wait until Gyno shows, if it even does. Great job getting blood work! Make sure you have everything, including pct in hand before starting. GL

 

[tweek]

Some helpful threads to read before considering your cycle proposed. Comprehensive Guide to PCT First AAS cycle for Beginners(Testosterone only)

 

[Johndoe]

Keep it simple test only maybe d Bol as a starter if you really have to bud

 

[Milk Man]

Test only. 500 a week will give you a good first time experiance and get your feet wet. Dont run 2 different compounds until you know how you are going to handle test.

Just my input

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

Test e and dbol.... it's your first cycle... might as well blow the fuck up

That was the plan lol I might just go test firt then add dbol to second cycle

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

Some helpful threads to read before considering your cycle proposed. Comprehensive Guide to PCT First AAS cycle for Beginners(Testosterone only)

thanks tweek ill give them a read!

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

Keep it simple test only maybe d Bol as a starter if you really have to bud

yea i think ill run test solo at first , thank you!

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

Test only. 500 a week will give you a good first time experiance and get your feet wet. Dont run 2 different compounds until you know how you are going to handle test.

Just my input

thank you for the feedback! I agree, I will run solo test first time, I just wanted to get big gains from dbol quick lol

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

I would do just a Test E, or C for 10-12 weeks at 500mgs/wk. pin 250mgs Mon and 250mgs Thurs. you can use DBol as a kick start, but you really don't need to. Keep your Adex on hand and if signs of Gyno show up, you can start it. Some take it from day 1 and others wait until Gyno shows, if it even does. Great job getting blood work! Make sure you have everything, including pct in hand before starting. GL

Thank you for so much info Geterdun! I am now just going to run a 10 week test e cycle to see how my body reacts. You dont think 400mgs is enough for the first time? How could I really tell if gyno is showing up? And if I take adex for no reason cant I crash my E2? Thank you again, ill have everything before I start. Ill also keep this thread updated throughout the process.

 

[Geterdun]

That's why I said some take a low dose to be safe and some wait for mid cycle blood work, or for their nips to get sensative. If you don't feel sensative, or look puffy, look at your mid cycle blood work. Make sure to get the female hormone panel! Your E2 will tell you mid cycle. GL

 

[Johndoe]

thank you for the feedback! I agree, I will run solo test first time, I just wanted to get big gains from dbol quick lol

D Bol it's mostly water any way once you come off it you would not keep the size that's why most people just use it as a stepping stone to a test cycle etc

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

That's why I said some take a low dose to be safe and some wait for mid cycle blood work, or for their nips to get sensative. If you don't feel sensative, or look puffy, look at your mid cycle blood work. Make sure to get the female hormone panel! Your E2 will tell you mid cycle. GL

so do you think .25mg EOD of adex would be safe until mid bloods? and if something were to happen gyno wise, would it be good to take some letro along with adex? I just want to be cautious about all of this!

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

D Bol it's mostly water any way once you come off it you would not keep the size that's why most people just use it as a stepping stone to a test cycle etc

but if i react well do you think dbol is safe for a second cycle?

 

[Geterdun]

Don't get me wrong, some people are very Gyno prone, but you might be ok just waiting for mid cycle bloods. A lot also depends on if your going to get Pharma grade AI. No reason not to! Once you get everything in hand and do some research on using Adex and other AI's, if you still have questions, come back and ask us. Lots of great info on Meso about first cycles and AI use.

 

[Johndoe]

but if i react well do you think dbol is safe for a second cycle?

100% if you run the test just fine dbol is the perfect stepping stone to the next cycle on the the subject of arimidex just run 0.25 e3d then if you get itchy nips or puffy ones just up it to 0.5 e2d it won't crash your e running at them doses if your running a good amount of test especially the 0.25 amount will just keep you in check etc.

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

Don't get me wrong, some people are very Gyno prone, but you might be ok just waiting for mid cycle bloods. A lot also depends on if your going to get Pharma grade AI. No reason not to! Once you get everything in hand and do some research on using Adex and other AI's, if you still have questions, come back and ask us. Lots of great info on Meso about first cycles and AI use.

Yo I'm sorry I was away most of the weekend!
I still have some time before I start my first cycle, so I ordered the labmax professional kit. I got my test e locally from my buddy, he's used it before and his was gtg, so I'm hoping mine will be too. Other than that I have only been able to find ugl, some of which look promising and others idk lol. So when I get the kit, at least i'll be able to make sure my stuff isn't bunk! Right? I'll be researching AI usage as much as I can, but depending on my starting blood work, I think johndoe has a pretty good idea?

 

[gainsforyourgirl]

100% if you run the test just fine dbol is the perfect stepping stone to the next cycle on the the subject of arimidex just run 0.25 e3d then if you get itchy nips or puffy ones just up it to 0.5 e2d it won't crash your e running at them doses if your running a good amount of test especially the 0.25 amount will just keep you in check etc.

Yo my bad man I was away this weekend!
Thanks John, I feel like that is a really good idea! I'm going to post my initial blood work on this post sometime this week or next week, whenever my results come in. I want to see if you guys have any other ideas once you are seeing what I am seeing. I will definitely run Dbol on my second cycle if the first one goes good! Do you think 4 weeks would be enough for dbol though?