Help me understand this Tren Ace vs E graph

[2legit2quit]

Half-lives notwithstanding, I can't get my head around the daily average released being so much higher on ace (50mg vs 32mg) at the same weekly dose. To achieve an equivalent daily average, the enanthate must be increased from 350mg/week to 480mg, or 1.37x the ace dosage.

Feels counter-intuitive that the same dosage over time should produce wildly different outcomes, and (half-life aside) discussion often treats dosage/week the same, whether ace or enanthate.

Am I missing something, or is ace that much more 'powerful'?

 

[Test_Subject]

Acetate is a lighter ester. It's quite literally more powerful mg per mg.

 

[CuriousGeorge247]

If you dont mind, what is the site for using the graph you have?

 

[2legit2quit]

Acetate is a lighter ester. It's quite literally more powerful mg per mg.

The chemical after the ester is removed is the same.

That a 3500mg/10 week cycle on tren ace (or test prop, for that matter) will produce markedly different results to 3500mg/10 week cycle with enanthate is not immediately and intuitively obvious, and is rarely acknowledged in discussions about doses. They are regularly treated like-for-like, with half-life/release rate/time-to-effect the primary accepted difference. Hence the thread.

If you dont mind, what is the site for using the graph you have?

SteroidGraph - Graph your cycle

 

[Test_Subject]

The chemical after the ester is removed is the same.

That a 3500mg/10 week cycle on tren ace (or test prop, for that matter) will produce markedly different results to 3500mg/10 week cycle with enanthate is not immediately and intuitively obvious, and is rarely acknowledged in discussions about doses. They are regularly treated like-for-like

Lighter weight esters have more active compound. That is a fact. Yes, the chemical is the same; tren is tren, but an equal amount of tren e has less actual tren than an equal dose of tren acetate.

This is not an arguable point. You're arguing against very basic chemistry. An ester that occupies 1/4 of the solution's weight takes up more space in solution that one that's 1/5 the weight of the overall solution.

 

[2legit2quit]

Well, 1mg of trenbolone is 1mg of trenbolone.

I'm not making an argument, and appreciate the fuller explanation. So different quantities of the free hormone are left once the ester is removed, depending on the ester?

This doesn't seem often accounted for when people discuss doses.

 

[Urrsher]

Well, 1mg of trenbolone is 1mg of trenbolone.

I'm not making an argument, and appreciate the fuller explanation. So different quantities of the free hormone are left once the ester is removed, depending on the ester?

This doesn't seem often accounted for when people discuss doses.

That is exactly right

 

[Test_Subject]

So different quantities of the free hormone are left once the ester is removed, depending on the ester?

Exactly. If you mix a hormone with a heavier ester, you get less active compound.

Yes, 1mg is 1mg. But you get less than 1mg with a longer ester, so an equivalent dose is lower in active ingredient. Longer esters are, by nature, heavier chemically. They will ALWAYS lead to less of the active compound.

 

[2legit2quit]

A lot of people apparently misunderstand the mg/ml specifies the full compound, with ester, rather than the free hormone.

Glad to have that clear rather than join the unknowingly underdosed.