Insulin and creatine HCL = big as fuck fast!!!

[gr8whitetrukker]

I just read the thread and I will just touch base on the 10 grams a week combined PED use. I find it laughable and ridiculous.

I understand we are all different and we all respond differently.

Those that speculate a 10 gram number are those that are uneducated and really don't get what it takes.

It's funny you say a 300 lbs guy. As you might know I'm approaching that mark. I am predicting my weigh in today around 294. I am running 500mg test cyp. week, I was running 400mg NPP a week as of two weeks ago and just switched to 300mg EQ because @brutus79 is an ass and talked me into it. My oral consumption is 20mg MK-677 a day. That's it man.

I've been waiting to pull the trigger on GH and dbol. Just steady gains right now. Wanting to get far enough with just my food and training before adding those and increasing my EQ dose. Again I hate you @brutus79

mands

I always appreciated your approach to gear and once i learned how you are able to do it im looking to mimmick that approach. I think some guys think its a weird badge of honor to run stupid high doses. And after my experience with that i knew there had to be a better way
Just wanted to say thanks man

 

[colossus25]

I always appreciated your approach to gear and once i learned how you are able to do it im looking to mimmick that approach. I think some guys think its a weird badge of honor to run stupid high doses. And after my experience with that i knew there had to be a better way
Just wanted to say thanks man

The only way to last in this game is to be smart above all else. Trust me brother i was guilty of the same shit, i used to think running high doses of everything was the answer to achieving my goals and it just isn't. All you have to do is take a good look around and see who the idiots are that are actually running these insane doses and realize how little they got back in return. Prime example: Bostin Loyd.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

The only way to last in this game is to be smart above all else. Trust me brother i was guilty of the same shit, i used to think running high doses of everything was the answer to achieving my goals and it just isn't. All you have to do is take a good look around and see who the idiots are that are actually running these insane doses and realize how little they got back in return. Prime example: Bostin Loyd.

Bostin takes alot of flack because Bostin is honest
And yes reckless. But i dont fault him for that. Do what he wants. Im done hating on the guy for being a dumbass that managed to make some thing out of genetically nothing
At least he dont try that lee priest bullshit of 2 cc a week leading up to the olympia...

 

[colossus25]

Bostin takes alot of flack because Bostin is honest
And yes reckless. But i dont fault him for that. Do what he wants. Im done hating on the guy for being a dumbass that managed to make some thing out of genetically nothing
At least he dont try that lee priest bullshit of 2 cc a week leading up to the olympia...

While i do agree that 2ccs a week sounds like a fist full of bullshit i will say that it isn't completely impossible especially for someone like priest. That guy was born with other worldly genetics. I mentioned before many prep coaches completely eliminate test for the last two weeks leading up to show time and I've heard of some taking it out as far back as 4 weeks. Matt Porter has prepped for shows completely off test only running tren and thats straight from his mouth. @mands has prepped a few guys maybe he can comment on this.

 

[mands]

The only way to last in this game is to be smart above all else. Trust me brother i was guilty of the same shit, i used to think running high doses of everything was the answer to achieving my goals and it just isn't. All you have to do is take a good look around and see who the idiots are that are actually running these insane doses and realize how little they got back in return. Prime example: Bostin Loyd.

I might be crucified about saying this...

Bostin actually preaches lowest dose possible for maximum results to his clients. @Wunderpus probably can testify to this as I think he might have had a few convos with him.

He personally can't take his own advice. I know that sounds weird but he just can't. He's very OCD when it comes to that. If he even has some leakage with oils he will re-inject to get it right.

mands

 

[colossus25]

I might be crucified about saying this...

Bostin actually preaches lowest dose possible for maximum results to his clients. @Wunderpus probably can testify to this as I think he might have had a few convos with him.

He personally can't take his own advice. I know that sounds weird but he just can't. He's very OCD when it comes to that. If he even has some leakage with oils he will re-inject to get it right.

mands

Shit i didn't know that at all to be honest, kind of changes my opinion of him slightly. I know he is working with a new coach which has him on much more moderate and manageable doses. He is actually looking way better than he did before.

 

[colossus25]

I trained in the same gym as bostin did in orlando and it was pretty embarrassing that a guy that was tipping the scale at 280lbs couldn't lift anything near what i could and was completely gassed after a couple of sets. But that was a while ago i know things are different now for him.

 

[mands]

While i do agree that 2ccs a week sounds like a fist full of bullshit i will say that it isn't completely impossible especially for someone like priest. That guy was born with other worldly genetics. I mentioned before many prep coaches completely eliminate test for the last two weeks leading up to show time and I've heard of some taking it out as far back as 4 weeks. Matt Porter has prepped for shows completely off test only running tren and thats straight from his mouth. @mands has prepped a few guys maybe he can comment on this.

Yes depending on the client I will take out test up to 4 weeks or more. Others can run up to 2 weeks out and even 1 week for 1 client. His body reacts immediately when things are added or taken away though. It's kinda freaky.

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

I might be crucified about saying this...

Bostin actually preaches lowest dose possible for maximum results to his clients. @Wunderpus probably can testify to this as I think he might have had a few convos with him.

He personally can't take his own advice. I know that sounds weird but he just can't. He's very OCD when it comes to that. If he even has some leakage with oils he will re-inject to get it right.

mands

You are correct, Mands. I have seen some of the cycles he has suggested, and he has been quoted many times as saying he'd NEVER put any client on over 100mg's/EOD of tren, and that's only if they are a high level national competitor.... That's not a crazy cycle by any means.

When I spoke with him about insulin, he has a very mild approach and focuses on maintaining sensitivity... He likes either to do humulin before a meal, then train 90 minutes later with an intra shake... Or humalog pre lift... Both versions involved low-ish levels of insulin, around 10iu for humalog and 16 for humulin.... Nothing I would call crazy.

The "Ultimate Recomp" cycle he puts his clients on is low-ish:
1G Test
500mg's EQ
500mg's Masteron
50mg's Anadrol or Anavar
GH if they can afford it.

This cycle is nothing compared to what he, and most others use... It would only be suggested to an experienced user, anyway....

 

[Wunderpus]

Shit i didn't know that at all to be honest, kind of changes my opinion of him slightly. I know he is working with a new coach which has him on much more moderate and manageable doses. He is actually looking way better than he did before.

Bostin would never, ever, let a coach structure his drug protocol, ever. Even when Palumbo was coaching him, both Palumbo and Bostin have said that Bostin wouldn't listen to Dave regarding drugs... But, he followed Dave's diet and other protocols.

 

[colossus25]

Bostin would never, ever, let a coach structure his drug protocol, ever. Even when Palumbo was coaching him, both Palumbo and Bostin have said that Bostin wouldn't listen to Dave regarding drugs... But, he followed Dave's diet and other protocols.

Interesting. A guy on gear'd up that knows him personally says he is running a new drug protocol that his coach recommended him or something along those lines.

 

[Wunderpus]

Interesting. A guy on gear'd up that knows him personally says he is running a new drug protocol that his coach recommended him or something along those lines.

It's all possible. I wonder oftentimes when it's the metaphorical game of "telephone"... But, Bostin would shock me if he listened to someone else about a gear protocol.

 

[colossus25]

It's all possible. I wonder oftentimes when it's the metaphorical game of "telephone"... But, Bostin would shock me if he listened to someone else about a gear protocol.

Tbh I've always heard he is headstrong as fuck so i did find it shocking that he is apparently listening to anybody. Ive heard in person palumbo say bostin is the biggest pain in the ass to work with.

 

[mands]

I always appreciated your approach to gear and once i learned how you are able to do it im looking to mimmick that approach. I think some guys think its a weird badge of honor to run stupid high doses. And after my experience with that i knew there had to be a better way
Just wanted to say thanks man

Anytime man! I'm here to try and help when I can.

I agree, I have a friend that is always telling me how much he is taking and I'm like dude come on.

mands

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Well for what its worth it seems this cheap HCL is doing its job. I been using it daily 750mg since the beginning of June. So thats about 3 wks now. Yes, im on a cycle. Test C 750mg wk and 50mg anadrol daily. No, i dont think its placebo. Im finding i can generate alot more force deep in to my workouts when im tired. As opposed to past cycles. I havent used creatine in 12 yrs probably so that is really the only variable thats changed. Im experiencing nice weight and rep increases deep in to my workouts when i normally would be experiencing fatigue and in fact alot of new PRs or what i would consider PRs on my 4th or 5th exercise deep in to my workout. That seems to be the biggest effect im seeing.

I wont comment on BW increases cuz im going to gain BW every cycle at a fast rate. I dont feel that would be fair to attribute that to creatine. And my cycle is quite conservative compared to past ones i have ran. So i can only point to the HCL as the reasoning behind this.

I wont be stopping my dosing. Its very cheap, effective and have zero sides from it. A nice addition. Glad to finally see SOME THING from creatine.

The only down side is now i cant wave the anti supplement banner ive always flown. Extremely skeptical of OTC supplements and always have been

Thanks @Demondosage