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Icarus - Russian Doping Doc
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Savagesteve
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Hopefully I can remember when it's released lol. Looks like a badass documentary as far as doping in sports. I'd be curious to know who the doping doc is in Kuwait as well...
Interesting. If it's true...how's he alive?
I am not normally up this late. I'd definitely watch that.
I fell asleep writing this last night^^^^ just never hit send. kinda funny.
It's already been proven that Russia had a doping system, so that part is true.
Netflix has a habit of producing documentary's that are kind of sensational, which makes them more like clickbait. The fear mongering food/nutrition docs they upload are sometimes kind of a pet peeve of mine.
This party documentary looks interesting, the synopsis is that the doc starts with an endurance cyclist that decides to investigate sports doping by doping himself and recording the changes he makes. Later on is when they get into the Russian Doping system apparently.
How's he will alive? I don't know, but I like the title... Icarus was the one who flew too close to the sun and his wings burnt.
Nice. If you see the release can you tag this post. I want to see it.
Thanks!
Sworder
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99% of athletes are using some sort of doping on the top level, and if they aren't imagine how good they would be if they did lol.
^This is why I don't bother much with doping stories etc...
I can't even fathom how credulous someone watching a top-tier sport would have to be to think that anyone playing it isn't doping.
Seeing the "shocked" reactions just rings so damn false.
Everyone fucking knew for decades before "the revelation" and everyone knows that the other nations are doing the same.
Icarus on Netflix August 4, 2017.
USADA CEO Travis Tygart gives Icarus a plug:
Assholes like Tygart are why I can't watch stuff like this "in 2015 when we learned that Russians were doping" fucking please...
Disingenuous bullshit and he sits there insulting our intelligence by asking us to be credulous consumers of Olympshit ("oh the Russians are BAAAD, our guys are totes pure American natty doh! buy our liscensed garbage so I don't have to find an actual job!").
He knew, everyone knew, or they are functionally so retarded that they have handlers to tie their shoes and wipe the drool from their chins.
These assholes would do better to simply acknowledge PEDs as a thing the way BB and strength sports do and stop insisting that "they are SHOCKED".
Gah.
Did you ever wonder what Russia state-funded news media (RT) thinks about the ICARUS documentary and Dr. Rodchenkov?
Meet Dr. Death: How Rodchenkov went from criminal to glorified whistleblower
Meet Dr. Death: How Rodchenkov went from criminal to glorified whistleblower
Global Whipping Boy Russia is good for the movie business. The latest is a documentary glorifying a fugitive with blood on his hands. Portrayed as heroic whistleblower, Doctor Death, Grigory Rodchenkov, gets a Pablo Escobar/Hollywood makeover.
[...]
She, the Stepanovs and Rodchenkov are portrayed by fawning foreign media as whistleblowers, despite never condemning their own behavior. The hypocrisy is overlooked, just as Rodchenkov’s deadly criminal past is covered up by an ambitious filmmaker.
Celebrated Broadway playwright and failed filmmaker Bryan Fogel’s desire to make a steroid fuelled version of “Supersize me!” led to Doctor Death’s escape from justice. The explanation behind Fogel’s engagement of Rodchenkov as his doping mentor remains perverse. Coming from the home of five of sport’s top 10 doping scandals and pro sports leagues where doping is rampant and outside WADA controls, it was odd Fogel enlisted the help of Rodchenkov. Rodchenkov’s unveiling by WADA as a highly corrupt individual in 2015 thrilled Fogel, who saw dollar signs and said “this is going to be a ten times greater movie than I ever imagined.” With his financiers, he arranged for Doctor Death to evade the law. He began promotion of the documentary film last May in a New York Times article, in which the journalist admitted Rodchenkov’s fantastical “account could not be independently verified.”
An account that has increasingly more holes than a sieve. A man who lied and sold out his own sister to save his own skin, gets the whitewash treatment.
Unlike 2008’s Bigger Faster Stronger, a masterpiece in doping examination, Bryan cashes in on current geopolitical tension. He abets a criminal in escaping justice, then uses pathetic PR like the money-hungry Browder and Stepanovs by claiming to be “Putin’s Enemy Number 1.”
This title guarantees love from hysterical media and increased ticket sales (and maybe awards). Doctor Death and Bryan could play chess and discuss the Boyne Valley neolithic landscape in Ireland and it would be hyped as an exposure of the ‘state-sponsored’ doping regime in Russia through the prism of prehistoric interactions of humans and place. The aim is to make money from misery, using lies, and this aligns perfectly with Rodchenkov’s history.
[...]
She, the Stepanovs and Rodchenkov are portrayed by fawning foreign media as whistleblowers, despite never condemning their own behavior. The hypocrisy is overlooked, just as Rodchenkov’s deadly criminal past is covered up by an ambitious filmmaker.
Celebrated Broadway playwright and failed filmmaker Bryan Fogel’s desire to make a steroid fuelled version of “Supersize me!” led to Doctor Death’s escape from justice. The explanation behind Fogel’s engagement of Rodchenkov as his doping mentor remains perverse. Coming from the home of five of sport’s top 10 doping scandals and pro sports leagues where doping is rampant and outside WADA controls, it was odd Fogel enlisted the help of Rodchenkov. Rodchenkov’s unveiling by WADA as a highly corrupt individual in 2015 thrilled Fogel, who saw dollar signs and said “this is going to be a ten times greater movie than I ever imagined.” With his financiers, he arranged for Doctor Death to evade the law. He began promotion of the documentary film last May in a New York Times article, in which the journalist admitted Rodchenkov’s fantastical “account could not be independently verified.”
An account that has increasingly more holes than a sieve. A man who lied and sold out his own sister to save his own skin, gets the whitewash treatment.
Unlike 2008’s Bigger Faster Stronger, a masterpiece in doping examination, Bryan cashes in on current geopolitical tension. He abets a criminal in escaping justice, then uses pathetic PR like the money-hungry Browder and Stepanovs by claiming to be “Putin’s Enemy Number 1.”
This title guarantees love from hysterical media and increased ticket sales (and maybe awards). Doctor Death and Bryan could play chess and discuss the Boyne Valley neolithic landscape in Ireland and it would be hyped as an exposure of the ‘state-sponsored’ doping regime in Russia through the prism of prehistoric interactions of humans and place. The aim is to make money from misery, using lies, and this aligns perfectly with Rodchenkov’s history.
For once, I am with RT on this one
Damn.... That was nicely written.
Although I obviously enjoy the subject matter of the documentary... We should be aware there is a certain clickbait scheme going on here too, per usual.
Documentaries have credibility issues. These things tend to get released and many people take the content at face value. Then the facts come out and many people just don't care. The perfect example is that "Black Fish" junk that trashed Sea World. It's completely debunked, yet people still buy into it.
I don't know if this one is true, mostly true or not at all true. I'm just saying take it with a grain of salt and be open to the idea that it's been sensationalized.
I don't know if this one is true, mostly true or not at all true. I'm just saying take it with a grain of salt and be open to the idea that it's been sensationalized.
Old member here... have mercy. Just watched ICARUS on Netflix... Starts off slow but a good watch with given time, after first 15 minutes. Has to do with doping in sports, seems a little out of touch with dosages and administration at first if you listen closely to Russian. Think it may be US propaganda, but still, if not a documentary, GREAT DRAMA.
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[LMAO] World Anti-Doping Agency Clears 95 Russian Athletes
World Anti-Doping Agency Clears 95 Russian Athletes
Global antidoping authorities have begun assessing the cases of individual athletes implicated in Russia’s yearslong doping program that was exposed last year, and their early decisions are expected to fuel the debate over Russian athletes’ eligibility.
The World Anti-Doping Agency, the regulator of drugs in sports that produced mountainous evidence of Russia’s doping scheme, has agreed to clear 95 of the first 96 athletes whose cases have been reviewed, according to an internal report circulated among the organization’s executives in recent days.
The closed cases are very likely to set off a debate in the sports world over whether Russia’s schemes were so successful in destroying evidence that defensible cases cannot be built against some athletes, or whether officials have taken a soft approach to punishments.
“The available evidence was insufficient to support the assertion of an antidoping rule violation against these 95 athletes,” Olivier Niggli, the agency’s director general, wrote in the internal report, which was obtained by The New York Times. The report does not identify any of the 96 athletes.
World Anti-Doping Agency Clears 95 Russian Athletes
Global antidoping authorities have begun assessing the cases of individual athletes implicated in Russia’s yearslong doping program that was exposed last year, and their early decisions are expected to fuel the debate over Russian athletes’ eligibility.
The World Anti-Doping Agency, the regulator of drugs in sports that produced mountainous evidence of Russia’s doping scheme, has agreed to clear 95 of the first 96 athletes whose cases have been reviewed, according to an internal report circulated among the organization’s executives in recent days.
The closed cases are very likely to set off a debate in the sports world over whether Russia’s schemes were so successful in destroying evidence that defensible cases cannot be built against some athletes, or whether officials have taken a soft approach to punishments.
“The available evidence was insufficient to support the assertion of an antidoping rule violation against these 95 athletes,” Olivier Niggli, the agency’s director general, wrote in the internal report, which was obtained by The New York Times. The report does not identify any of the 96 athletes.
