Heart Protection Associated with TRT an Anabolic Steriods

[Docd187123]

Circular reasoning.

Does anything qualify as anti-aging for you or are you simply opposed to that word?

I don’t think it’s an impossible concept, just nothing so far has been proven effective in terms of anti aging.

 

[Docd187123]

“testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be prescribed only in selected patients and it should not be considered as an antiaging treatment.”

Testosterone Replacement Therapy: The Emperor's New Clothes. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[XmadXscientist]

Evidence such as?

And don't conflate TRT with full-on cycles.

If you're thinking about dragging out the old saw about prostate cancer, read this first:
Anyone add Masteron to their TRT?

Note this quote:

"Over time, the testicular “machinery” that makes testosterone gradually becomes less effective, and testosterone levels start to fall, by about 1% a year, beginning in the 40s. As men get into their 50s, 60s, and beyond, they may start to have signs and symptoms of low testosterone such as lower sex drive and sense of vitality, erectile dysfunction, decreased energy, reduced muscle mass and bone density, and anemia. Taken together, these signs and symptoms are often called hypogonadism (“hypo” meaning low functioning and “gonadism” referring to the testicles). Researchers estimate that the condition affects anywhere from two to six million men in the United States. Yet it is an underdiagnosed problem, with only about 5% of those affected receiving treatment."

If you don't think fixing the issues in red above constitutes anti-again, just put down your pipe right now, you've had enough. @Dr JIM - this goes for you too.

Lol I tried to wave the flag before with you but it’s hopeless. Why are you such an ignorant angry little man?

The audacity of you to try and argue “science” with me.... hahaha

How’s your perma cycle going? Er I mean complimentary bonus non traditional AAS supplementation overtop trt going? Still rocking twig mode?

 

[Crocodilo]

Please, if this guy is not trust worthy, can anyone point a good source of information for heart protection for people on TRT/Cruise for life ?

Like using blood thinners, cardio (not a option for steroid users ??), using SARMs that elevate HDL (forgot the name and dont even know if works), donating blood (what to do if you CANT donate blood), what else ?

I think heart protection is the most important thing regarding steroid use. Would be great to see a serious discussion about it.

If there's already one, please, link it here.

Thank you!

 

[tenpoundsleft]

“testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be prescribed only in selected patients and it should not be considered as an antiaging treatment.”

Testosterone Replacement Therapy: The Emperor's New Clothes. - PubMed - NCBI

Circular reasoning again - of course doctors are going to pitch it that way. Heaven forbid we get access to STEROIDS, and actually improve male health without an ongoing need for MDs to fix us when we break. Wouldn't want to prevent them from prescribing us endless pills and other crap.

I'm looking at REALITY, the results. And as all of us older guys on this board knows, it most certainly is anti-aging.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Lol I tried to wave the flag before with you but it’s hopeless. Why are you such an ignorant angry little man?

The audacity of you to try and argue “science” with me.... hahaha

How’s your perma cycle going? Er I mean complimentary bonus non traditional AAS supplementation overtop trt going? Still rocking twig mode?

You're nuts - and a liberal - but I repeat myself.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I don’t think it’s an impossible concept, just nothing so far has been proven effective in terms of anti aging.

Really?

Judicious use of testosterone is effective. HGH is effective. Several other meds like Metformin, Doxazosin, and likely a long line of other meds halt or reverse the effects of aging.

Treatments like PRP injections and stem cell injections would be other examples.

Cheese? Maybe not.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Whoops ... More BS In The Video ...

Omega-3 Supplements Don’t Protect Against Heart Disease
Omega-3 Supplements Don’t Protect Against Heart Disease

Supplements containing omega-3 fatty acids, the oils abundant in fatty fish, are ineffective for the prevention of heart disease, a large review of randomized trials has found.

The analysis, in JAMA Cardiology, pooled data from 10 randomized trials in people who had had cardiovascular disease or were at high risk for it. There were 77,917 people in the trials, 61 percent men, and their average age was 64. Studies lasted, on average, 4.4 years, and the dose of omega-3’s ranged from 226 to 1,800 milligrams a day.

No matter how the researchers looked at the data, they could find no association of the supplements with lowered risk for death from heart disease, or with nonfatal heart attacks or other major cardiovascular events.

There was no effect in people with prior coronary heart disease, those with diabetes, people with high lipid levels, or in people using statins. There was no evidence for an effect in either women or men considered separately.

 

[Docd187123]

Circular reasoning again - of course doctors are going to pitch it that way. Heaven forbid we get access to STEROIDS, and actually improve male health without an ongoing need for MDs to fix us when we break. Wouldn't want to prevent them from prescribing us endless pills and other crap.

I'm looking at REALITY, the results. And as all of us older guys on this board knows, it most certainly is anti-aging.

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

What’s it called when you want something to be true but it isn’t, so instead you twist reality to suit your position? You’re complaining about being prescribed pills yet have no issue being prescribed another type of drug, the irony is too much.

Really?

Judicious use of testosterone is effective. HGH is effective. Several other meds like Metformin, Doxazosin, and likely a long line of other meds halt or reverse the effects of aging.

Treatments like PRP injections and stem cell injections would be other examples.

Cheese? Maybe not.

HGH is an effective drug at treating dwarfism for example but not for anti-aging purposes either. You really have no idea how hgh works in high doses if you think it’s anti-aging.

 

[Oldschool]

The knowledge keeps on coming despite the trolls. Great thread @Skull. Very important for all of us.

 

[Docd187123]

Really?

Judicious use of testosterone is effective. HGH is effective. Several other meds like Metformin, Doxazosin, and likely a long line of other meds halt or reverse the effects of aging.

Treatments like PRP injections and stem cell injections would be other examples.

Cheese? Maybe not.

Well-documented beneficial effects of calorie restriction on longevity of many species and on important predictors of life expectancy in humans (Heilbronn et al 2006; Holloszy and Fontana 2007) suggest that subtle, long-term reduction in GH release and/or activity may have a potential to slow aging, protect from age-related disease and increase lifespan.

Growth hormone and aging: A challenging controversy


A long term REDUCTION in GH release and/or activity may have potential to slow aging. Kinda makes one wonder about your statement regarding GH.....

 

[XmadXscientist]

You're nuts - and a liberal - but I repeat myself.

Hahaha yes I’m clearly the crazy one as you weave conspiracy theories about doctors trying to keep us unhealthy just to feed their paychecks????? Lol OK. The scale of cooperation that would be required for that over DECADES is incredulous and just plain ridiculous thinking. You ever work with doctors? I’m guessing no or you would understand the genetic makeup of such individuals who are attracted to that line of work and what drives them to do what they do. It’s not fun or easy being a doctor.

Way to throw in some random (poor) attempt to slight me by trying to categorize me as liberal, not sure what this has to do with anything, never mind the fact it’s completely wrong if you’re looking at it from the context of “they won’t let me have what I want”.

 

[XmadXscientist]

What’s it called when you want something to be true but it isn’t, so instead you twist reality to suit your position?

Delusion - Wikipedia

Is this it???