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Is NPP really safe? 11x more damaging to blood vessels than test

RomanMVP said:
Wel, I hope that's not the case, I've used a lot of both nandrolones. Then again, I just had a carotid artery screening and came up clean.
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I posted about this and Link a study back in 2015. I don't think the study was very sound, I would have to go back and look over it some more.
 
Some food for thought is many of the former Mr Olympia winners are alive and they most likely took things to a more extreme than most ever do.

Most of the runner up bodybuilders are still going too.

Not that this means they ain't all fucked up or anything but they're not dying in great numbers that alarms the hell outta me.
 
Breakneck said:
Some food for thought is many of the former Mr Olympia winners are alive and they most likely took things to a more extreme than most ever do.

Most of the runner up bodybuilders are still going too.

Not that this means they ain't all fucked up or anything but they're not dying in great numbers that alarms the hell outta me.
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You are comparing people genetically predisposed to withstand the abuse to mortals... it's like saying you know someone who smoked cigarettes into their 90s and they are fine, so cigarettes can't be that bad.
 
brutus79 said:
You are comparing people genetically predisposed to withstand the abuse to mortals... it's like saying you know someone who smoked cigarettes into their 90s and they are fine, so cigarettes can't be that bad.
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So you know they are all genetically predisposed to withstand aas abuse because of what studies now?

Your statement was as speculative as mine sorry bud.

And I never said they were perfect pictures of health. In fact I said:

"Not that this means they ain't all fucked up or anything but they're not dying in great numbers that alarms the hell outta me."
 
Breakneck said:
So you know they are all genetically predisposed to withstand aas abuse because of what studies now?

Your statement was as speculative as mine sorry bud.

And I never said they were perfect pictures of health. In fact I said:

"Not that this means they ain't all fucked up or anything but they're not dying in great numbers that alarms the hell outta me."
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You are rationalizing your own use by the anecdotal observations you have about pro competitors. You are asking for a study proving professionals are genetically predisposed to perform the necessary tasks and therapies at a higher level than people who have not gone pro? Is that a real question? Do you need a study proving that tall basketball players are genetically predisposed to play basketball before you stop hoping you can play ball?

I am also not going to go any further in persuading you to reconsider your fallacious reasoning- anything I can do to prevent you from polluting the gene pool is fine with me. Juice up brohan- phill heath is fine, so you will be too
 
brutus79 said:
You are rationalizing your own use by the anecdotal observations you have about pro competitors. You are asking for a study proving professionals are genetically predisposed to perform the necessary tasks and therapies at a higher level than people who have not gone pro? Is that a real question? Do you need a study proving that tall basketball players are genetically predisposed to play basketball before you stop hoping you can play ball?

I am also not going to go any further in persuading you to reconsider your fallacious reasoning- anything I can do to prevent you from polluting the gene pool is fine with me. Juice up brohan- phill heath is fine, so you will be too
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Since you missed basically the entire point of what I posted originally let me break it down for you...

Most of the Olympia winners are alive today....
Most of the runners up are alive today...

Most of that group has used far more gear than most of us ever will...

There's millions of gym rats using gear that are still alive...
Many guys on this forum using Deca that have great hearts....

But that means nothing to you?

Go ahead and ignore the group that uses the shit and what group is your suggested subjects that I look into? People who don't use Deca??? Ok. Makes sense to me.

And again I posted that doesn't mean they're perfect pics of health...I dunno why you keep ignoring that part of my post repeatedly.

And no you stated that those pros were genetically predisposed to being able to take gear on levels that me or you couldn't bear and then doubled down saying that because they're pro that proves they can?
Where's your proof of that at?
You're speculating just like I am but you have this issue with me doing so from up on your high horse.

Dallas McCarver was on a crazy high amount of gear that even top guys called a crazy amount compared to other champs. He didn't handle it so well like you said the pros can.

Go look up Big Ramy just a few short years ago when he was a DYEL and tell me that's the guy you'd have picked that's "genetically predisposed to handling gear on a level nobody else can".

Go look up Flex Wheeler.
He was so small and frail with a life threatening issue he wasn't allowed to play football!

Go look up Jay Cutler. He was skinny af and looked like nothing.

Anyways I'm off track.
Tell me the group you think we should all look into that satisfies a Deca users health?
 
Breakneck said:
Since you missed basically the entire point of what I posted originally let me break it down for you...

Most of the Olympia winners are alive today....
Most of the runners up are alive today...

Most of that group has used far more gear than most of us ever will...

There's millions of gym rats using gear that are still alive...
Many guys on this forum using Deca that have great hearts....

But that means nothing to you?

Go ahead and ignore the group that uses the shit and what group is your suggested subjects that I look into? People who don't use Deca??? Ok. Makes sense to me.

And again I posted that doesn't mean they're perfect pics of health...I dunno why you keep ignoring that part of my post repeatedly.

And no you stated that those pros were genetically predisposed to being able to take gear on levels that me or you couldn't bear and then doubled down saying that because they're pro that proves they can?
Where's your proof of that at?
You're speculating just like I am but you have this issue with me doing so from up on your high horse.

Dallas McCarver was on a crazy high amount of gear that even top guys called a crazy amount compared to other champs. He didn't handle it so well like you said the pros can.

Go look up Big Ramy just a few short years ago when he was a DYEL and tell me that's the guy you'd have picked that's "genetically predisposed to handling gear on a level nobody else can".

Go look up Flex Wheeler.
He was so small and frail with a life threatening issue he wasn't allowed to play football!

Go look up Jay Cutler. He was skinny af and looked like nothing.

Anyways I'm off track.
Tell me the group you think we should all look into that satisfies a Deca users health?
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I was not rationalizing deca use. I am pointing out the absurdity of pointing to a bunch of surviving drug users and the fact they are still living as a barometer of how concerned one should be about their own health.

I didn't miss the point of anything... I simply picked out the inane intent of what you were saying and had a chuckle over it.

Anyone who thinks the use of steroids is harmless is a fucking moron. Carrying the additional weight alone is bad for your heart... never mind the hormonal fluctuations, lipid issues from estrogen suppression and irresponsible diets, liver damage, on and on.

I get that you aren't saying they are "the picture if perfect health", but you sounded like a fucking moron with the comment, I pointed out that the people you were mentioning are not quite normal in their capacity to take ten times the gear any douchbag gym rat takes... and you got butthurt. You are also being overly verbose in an attempt to be condescending- but you seem to lack intelligence. You could very well be a rocket scientist who is not adept at expressing himself in writing, but I doubt it.

And the fact you know this bs about bodybuilders... who gives a fuck? Run all the gear it is apparently just speculation that they use, and when your life gets cut short- picture me enjoying it immensely. Anyone who is well versed in bodybuilder lore has an empty life anyway.

In case you missed my point- kill yourself. I care very little about this conversation... but I hate douchebags who say douchebag things like you do.
 
give us the age of some of the winners and the runner ups, hell your talking about 50 yr olds.
look at the ones pushing 70 how many of those are still healthy?
you seem like you dont understand their is a huge difference between still being alive and being healthy .
being alive at 70 and still going to the gym everyday is my goal.
 
@Breakneck what does it mean when you say ramy was a DYEL ?

Also I had an argument with my roommate this morning and he's like the joker guy, just kept ignoring what I said in the first place and I said exactly "let me break this down for you " lol then I put with bullet points XD it was text argument btw
 
ironwill1951 said:
give us the age of some of the winners and the runner ups, hell your talking about 50 yr olds.
look at the ones pushing 70 how many of those are still healthy?
you seem like you dont understand their is a huge difference between still being alive and being healthy .
being alive at 70 and still going to the gym everyday is my goal.
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Bro Nasser for one, duhh?
Gear harmless
Gear = health + harmony
Take every steroids boyos :)
 
brutus79 said:
I was not rationalizing deca use. I am pointing out the absurdity of pointing to a bunch of surviving drug users and the fact they are still living as a barometer of how concerned one should be about their own health.

I didn't miss the point of anything... I simply picked out the inane intent of what you were saying and had a chuckle over it.

Anyone who thinks the use of steroids is harmless is a fucking moron. Carrying the additional weight alone is bad for your heart... never mind the hormonal fluctuations, lipid issues from estrogen suppression and irresponsible diets, liver damage, on and on.

I get that you aren't saying they are "the picture if perfect health", but you sounded like a fucking moron with the comment, I pointed out that the people you were mentioning are not quite normal in their capacity to take ten times the gear any douchbag gym rat takes... and you got butthurt. You are also being overly verbose in an attempt to be condescending- but you seem to lack intelligence. You could very well be a rocket scientist who is not adept at expressing himself in writing, but I doubt it.

And the fact you know this bs about bodybuilders... who gives a fuck? Run all the gear it is apparently just speculation that they use, and when your life gets cut short- picture me enjoying it immensely. Anyone who is well versed in bodybuilder lore has an empty life anyway.

In case you missed my point- kill yourself. I care very little about this conversation... but I hate douchebags who say douchebag things like you do.
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Avoid the conversation ok I get it.
Don't give your subjects that show a better point than I pointed out...

Do you know what 'extrapolate' means?
I'll just tell you...
"to predict by projecting past experience or known data".

That's exactly what I did in my og post.

I even stated it was "food for thought" in my first sentence never making light of gear use or ever saying it was healthy because they were alive. You made that shit up yourself. Do you always do that?

My post was based on the largest groups using Deca. What better group could I have talked about in your opinion?

You put words in my mouth and then got pissed at what you created or of thin air. Then insult me in later posts instead of making better points. Good job my man.
 
Breakneck said:
Avoid the conversation ok I get it.
Don't give your subjects that show a better point than I pointed out...

Do you know what 'extrapolate' means?
I'll just tell you...
"to predict by projecting past experience or known data".

That's exactly what I did in my og post.

I even stated it was "food for thought" in my first sentence never making light of gear use or ever saying it was healthy because they were alive. You made that shit up yourself. Do you always do that?

My post was based on the largest groups using Deca. What better group could I have talked about in your opinion?

You put words in my mouth and then got pissed at what you created or of thin air. Then insult me in later posts instead of making better points. Good job my man.
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It makes my head hurt trying to read your writing. Truly.
 
ironwill1951 said:
give us the age of some of the winners and the runner ups, hell your talking about 50 yr olds.
look at the ones pushing 70 how many of those are still healthy?
you seem like you dont understand their is a huge difference between still being alive and being healthy .
being alive at 70 and still going to the gym everyday is my goal.
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What's the good word my friend?
 
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