Ouch that has to be bad as hell.
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MEDICAL BILLING/PRICES ... YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF
- Thread starter Michael Scally MD
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Executives at more than a dozen generic-drug companies had a form of shorthand to describe how they conducted business, insider lingo worked out over steak dinners, cocktail receptions and rounds of golf.
The “sandbox,” according to investigators, was the market for generic prescription drugs, where everyone was expected to play nice.
“Fair share” described dividing up the sales pie to ensure that each company reaped continued profits. “Trashing the market” was used when a competitor ignored these unwritten rules and sold drugs for less than agreed-upon prices.
The terminology reflected more than just the clubbiness of a powerful industry, according to authorities and several lawsuits. Officials from multiple states say these practices were central to illegal price-fixing schemes of massive proportion.
The lawsuit and related cases picked up steam last month when a federal judge ruled that more than 1 million emails, cellphone texts and other documents cited as evidence could be shared among all plaintiffs.
What started as an antitrust lawsuit brought by states over just two drugs in 2016 has exploded into an investigation of alleged price-fixing involving at least 16 companies and 300 drugs, Joseph Nielsen, an assistant attorney general and antitrust investigator in Connecticut who has been a leading force in the probe, said in an interview. His comments in an interview with The Washington Post represent the first public disclosure of the dramatically expanded scale of the investigation.
The unfolding case is rattling an industry that is portrayed in Washington as the white knight of American health care.
“This is most likely the largest cartel in the history of the United States,” Nielsen said. He cited the volume of drugs in the schemes, that they took place on American soil and the “total number of companies involved, and individuals.”
The alleged victims were American health-care consumers and taxpayers, who foot the bills for overcharges on common antibiotics, blood-pressure medications, arthritis treatments, anxiety pills and more, authorities say. The costs flowed throughout the system, hitting hospitals, pharmacists and health insurance companies. They hit consumers who lack prescription drug coverage and even those with insurance, because many plans have high deductibles and gaps on prescription drug benefits.
Damn man, never had the q-tip deal done. Are you sure it wasn't some pervert just messing with you? Hahaha j/k
I always wondered if the whole prostate check was legit or all a big damn joke. Could you imagine some doctor conference where they all day at a table and shared stories about fingering ppl in the ass? Like what if it was like ,"So I had this one guy start crying on me...oh what fun that was, I just kept fingering him harder and how the fearful tears fell rt there on my table!!! Then I threw him a napkin and said CLEAN YOURSELF BOY!!"
Eman45
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Got a back brace from my Cyropractor no different than a fkn gym belt lol. Velcro strap n peice of plastic in lower back area for support. Any idea the cost??? Fkn crazy how this works but hey if we can say it has medical purpose we will charge them 1000x over. Back brace aka support belt cost 1000$ lol wtf my insurance paid. But what a fkn scam I don’t even believe it to tell u the truth I doubt my insurance paid that much. It’s a big ass skeem with the hospitals government and insurances. Make it look like wow thank god I had insurance riht that’s shit shouldn’t of been more than 150$ tops n that’s being generous. N that’s prob what the insurance paid any ways what a scam Fk this system
LOL If I need a prostate check, I'll ask my wife! A profession like that has to attract some pretty weird people.
The surgery left a hole deep enough he couldn't see inside, so he used a q-tip, a.k.a. tip of pain, to make sure it was still bleeding. When I asked what would happen if it stopped bleeding, he said I didn't want to know.
At least it was a q-tip and not his finger - or worse. In that position I would have been helpless to stop him from doing whatever the hell he wanted!
In an attempt to get rid of mine before the surgery I had them cauterized with a heat gun. They stick a cone up your asshole and then shoot numbing meds in your hemmerhoid and then it feels like someone starting a campfire in your ass!!! It fuses the hemmerhoid at the base and works for every 7 out of 10 ppl. After trying this twice I realized I was the other 3 out of 10 it did not work for. Years of heavy deadlifts, 100% to blame
Big problem with much of health care analysis is we count redistribution wrong. The government giving a poor person $10,000 for a surgery that they let hospitals overcharge $5,000 for is not a $10,000 transfer to poor people. It is $5,000 to poor person, $5,000 to rich people.
The redistribution impact of say the ACA looks much worse when using a more realistic metric. Letting someone overcharge a person, when the government is subsidizing coverage, should be correctly seen as transfer to well off doctors and hospitals.
For example the government capping out of network charges at 125% Medicare rate is technically non-budget but it would be a very large net transfer redistribution from mostly rich providers to middle class people.
Nothing highlights this more than Medicaid expansion and ACA subsidize. Technically people making just over twice the poverty rate are getting more money from the government than people in Medicaid expansion but Medicaid people have much better coverage.
We see same problem at the micro level. You have for example hospitals or drug makers claiming they say gave $1 million in charity services but they totally inflated the price of their services when in reality they providers services that would cost just $100,000 in say France.
Thread by @JonWalkerDC: "Big problem with much of health care analysis is we count redistribution wrong. The government giving a poor person $10,000 for a surgery th […]"
The redistribution impact of say the ACA looks much worse when using a more realistic metric. Letting someone overcharge a person, when the government is subsidizing coverage, should be correctly seen as transfer to well off doctors and hospitals.
For example the government capping out of network charges at 125% Medicare rate is technically non-budget but it would be a very large net transfer redistribution from mostly rich providers to middle class people.
Nothing highlights this more than Medicaid expansion and ACA subsidize. Technically people making just over twice the poverty rate are getting more money from the government than people in Medicaid expansion but Medicaid people have much better coverage.
We see same problem at the micro level. You have for example hospitals or drug makers claiming they say gave $1 million in charity services but they totally inflated the price of their services when in reality they providers services that would cost just $100,000 in say France.
Thread by @JonWalkerDC: "Big problem with much of health care analysis is we count redistribution wrong. The government giving a poor person $10,000 for a surgery th […]"
You definitely had it worse than me. I was fortunate no one offered the heat gun approach. Sounds like something I would have gone for. "Burn a hole in my ass? Yea, let's do it!"
Dr Peter Attia (Keto Guru) sums it up pretty well:
valuum
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My Hep C medication was $80k. That's just fucking ridiculous... I love capitalism but that level of exploitation is wrong. Like jesus, you need ALL THE MONEY?
If the chinese started producing illicit Harvoni I would risk another case importing that shit and selling it at cost, on some Dallas Buyers Club shit.
If the chinese started producing illicit Harvoni I would risk another case importing that shit and selling it at cost, on some Dallas Buyers Club shit.
actually, I heard you can do that with the indian pharmacies
Easiest way to fix drug prices is to end drug patents, or at least reduce the duration down to a couple of years.
valuum
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YUp, I read that too
Congressional Extortion: An Example
Michael S. Rozeff
December 16, 2018
By jacking up the prices of prescription drugs, Congress holds hostage people who require such drugs to treat their pre-existing conditions. Hence, they are extorted into supporting Obamacare so that the insurance company will pay the costs that they cannot afford or reasonably afford.
Obama himself has just made this clear. After Federal District Court Judge Reed O’Connor ruled Obamacare unconstitutional, Obama said the ruling is “…a scary thing to hear, particularly if you or someone you care about has a pre-existing condition.” He said the ruling “…puts people’s pre-existing conditions coverage at risk…” Obama is scaring people into supporting Obamacare. He wants them “…to keep voting, in big numbers, in every election, for people who’ll protect and improve our care.”
Here’s a specific example sent to me, and I am certain it can be multiplied by millions of people. This person requires a controlled substance, a separate racket all its own. Prior to being placed on the controlled substance list, the cost was $40 a month. After it became a controlled substance, he paid $860 a month. That’s prior to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). Immediately after the ACA, the price became $10,000 a month. He then was no longer issued a receipt showing costs, but by dint of research and inquiry, he finds that the cost is now $15,000 a month, which is impossible for his condition and renders him a hostage to supporting the ACA. The one other alternative is to do some home chemistry for perhaps $40 a month again. That carries the risk of prison, however. The drugstores now monitor components in over-the-counter meds.
This gentleman, who has a skilled occupation, is forced to say “With the current nature of our system, pre-existing conditions must and should be covered.”
This support is generated by Congressional extortion. Extortion is nothing new for Congress. It uses this method routinely to extort the states into all sorts of programs including Obamacare.
Michael S. Rozeff
December 16, 2018
By jacking up the prices of prescription drugs, Congress holds hostage people who require such drugs to treat their pre-existing conditions. Hence, they are extorted into supporting Obamacare so that the insurance company will pay the costs that they cannot afford or reasonably afford.
Obama himself has just made this clear. After Federal District Court Judge Reed O’Connor ruled Obamacare unconstitutional, Obama said the ruling is “…a scary thing to hear, particularly if you or someone you care about has a pre-existing condition.” He said the ruling “…puts people’s pre-existing conditions coverage at risk…” Obama is scaring people into supporting Obamacare. He wants them “…to keep voting, in big numbers, in every election, for people who’ll protect and improve our care.”
Here’s a specific example sent to me, and I am certain it can be multiplied by millions of people. This person requires a controlled substance, a separate racket all its own. Prior to being placed on the controlled substance list, the cost was $40 a month. After it became a controlled substance, he paid $860 a month. That’s prior to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). Immediately after the ACA, the price became $10,000 a month. He then was no longer issued a receipt showing costs, but by dint of research and inquiry, he finds that the cost is now $15,000 a month, which is impossible for his condition and renders him a hostage to supporting the ACA. The one other alternative is to do some home chemistry for perhaps $40 a month again. That carries the risk of prison, however. The drugstores now monitor components in over-the-counter meds.
This gentleman, who has a skilled occupation, is forced to say “With the current nature of our system, pre-existing conditions must and should be covered.”
This support is generated by Congressional extortion. Extortion is nothing new for Congress. It uses this method routinely to extort the states into all sorts of programs including Obamacare.
Holidaypay
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My daughter got bit by a dog this year she was in the hospital for 3 or 4 days got a couple shots some iv's an a script for antibiotics I didn't have insurance because I was getting it through my job in a month so I didn't keep the other plan yeh big mistake got a bill for over 20,000 dollors i couldn't believe it when I saw that shit
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