Long Term Storage of Raw Powders

[sumpm1]

Hello all. I have been homebrewing for 2.5 years now. I always kept my raw powders stored in the plastic bags that they arrived in, and kept them in a box that was kept in a cool, dry, dark place.... I have heard some people discuss keeping their raws in the freezer...

Where do you store your raws at? And what extra precautions do you take with storing your raws? Is there any danger in keeping the raws in the plastic bags they arrived in?

Thanks

 

[SomeRandoGuy]

I’m new’ish but in the lots of research I’ve done I’m leaning towards no to freezers and yes to a mason canning jar with desiccant pack and out of the light.

 

[Holidaypay]

Mason jars silica packs rice dark place vacum sealed bags
A vacum bag sealer is like 30 bucks put the raws in a bag then put that in a vacum bag with silica packs an seal it put the bags in a coffee can to keep light out an put it in some were cool an u gt years but test e an some tren a has Ben going around that gives pip or problems over time not sure on if they stored it properly but headsup

 

[AASraw]

Seal bags are needed, better by vacuum bags. Normally, the source will send the raws by silver foil bag and it can be sealed by hot iron, try ironing board, if no sealing machine.

Purpose:
1. To keep it away from moisture.
2. Keep the powder away from light.
3. Refrigerator will be needed for lower melt raws, as Testo Enanthate, Nandro deca, Nandro cyp.
4. EQ could be stored in fluorine-free bottles, try no plastic bags.
5. Plastic bags used by most sources are food grade. So, normally be good without heat or too cold.

 

[sumpm1]

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5. Plastic bags used by most sources are food grade. So, normally be good without heat or too cold.

Hello all. So my main issue is that I had a total of 100g of test enth from a source. I brewed about 20g of it a year ago in mct oil, and ran it for a year, no problems, no pain on injection, no lumps, no fevers, etc...

Now from that same 100g I brewed 35g of it, using the same process and same whatman syringe filters. And this time it is dirty, hard lump, pain, red and hot to the touch, and a 2 day fever....

My test enth was sealed in the bags it shipped in, thin plastic ziplocks. It was kept in a drawer in the house, dark, dry, and the house is climate controlled of course.

The test enth raws are rather "melty" and sticky, totally like goo or paste.

Please if anyone can identify anything about the situation that I described that was a nono or a sign to look for when brewing, please let me know. I've brewed and ran my own test enth from 2 suppliers with no problem for over 2 years. All the sudden I have dirty gear and want to learn what mistakes I am making.

Thanks thanks thanks.

 

[Holidaypay]

Hello all. So my main issue is that I had a total of 100g of test enth from a source. I brewed about 20g of it a year ago in mct oil, and ran it for a year, no problems, no pain on injection, no lumps, no fevers, etc...

Now from that same 100g I brewed 35g of it, using the same process and same whatman syringe filters. And this time it is dirty, hard lump, pain, red and hot to the touch, and a 2 day fever....

My test enth was sealed in the bags it shipped in, thin plastic ziplocks. It was kept in a drawer in the house, dark, dry, and the house is climate controlled of course.

The test enth raws are rather "melty" and sticky, totally like goo or paste.

Please if anyone can identify anything about the situation that I described that was a nono or a sign to look for when brewing, please let me know. I've brewed and ran my own test enth from 2 suppliers with no problem for over 2 years. All the sudden I have dirty gear and want to learn what mistakes I am making.

Thanks thanks thanks.

there has Ben 2 diff ocurances of test e pip after long storage #1 its melts an is stored an brewed later #2 stored for over 9 months an hurts like a bitch
No1 knows why its happening but best bet is to brew it all an store as oil it holds good for years like that but as a raw is luck of the draw lately

 

[sumpm1]

there has Ben 2 diff ocurances of test e pip...

Hmm. I have some other raws that I haven't brewed yet either, quite a few compounds. None of them are low melting point like test. But I hope I don't have an issue with dirty gear on those then.

 

[Holidaypay]

Hmm. I have some other raws that I haven't brewed yet either, quite a few compounds. None of them are low melting point like test. But I hope I don't have an issue with dirty gear on those then.

The pip has not reflected low strength or contaminants in any labs or bloods just over time hurts alot an if tren ace is one of them brew asap its Ben a big problem lately if it gets cloudy like it has moisture in it add 10 ml tren e to every 100 ml an warm it up a little an it will clear up there is threads on it if u want the scientific answer lol

 

[Monstar]

The pip has not reflected low strength or contaminants in any labs or bloods just over time hurts alot an if tren ace is one of them brew asap its Ben a big problem lately if it gets cloudy like it has moisture in it add 10 ml tren e to every 100 ml an warm it up a little an it will clear up there is threads on it if u want the scientific answer lol

The Asian Tren Acetate batch that seems to still be going around is probably the worst ever produced. Huge failure and cloudy tren is the best outcome with some far worse (sludge, can't be filtered and ruined beaker). No one has ever reported crap like that before.

Test E has had PIP reports lately from even experienced brewers. This is fresh stuff but apparently hurts like hell with similar symptoms to what some have experienced putting it in storage and brewing (like OP). A shame because this stuff is easy to brew.

As was said further up. I would not store raws. Just brew it all and keep it in a media bottle if need be. Sterile filtered solution with BA is going to ensure it keeps. Septa top if you want.

 

[Holidaypay]

The Asian Tren Acetate batch that seems to still be going around is probably the worst ever produced. Huge failure and cloudy tren is the best outcome with some far worse (sludge, can't be filtered and ruined beaker). No one has ever reported crap like that before.

Test E has had PIP reports lately from even experienced brewers. This is fresh stuff but apparently hurts like hell with similar symptoms to what some have experienced putting it in storage and brewing (like OP). A shame because this stuff is easy to brew.

As was said further up. I would not store raws. Just brew it all and keep it in a media bottle if need be. Sterile filtered solution with BA is going to ensure it keeps. Septa top if you want.

I had a batch of ace with the sludge it destroyed 3 of my beakers while I tried to figure out what tf was going on.from what I have heard about the cloudyness from the base not separating I have a theory that the sludge is tren base that didn't have the acetate ester attached properly if I come across the sludge again I'm going to use the tren base recipe an see what happens if it fixes the problem the supplier should have to replace the raws because mistake or not we aren't ordering tren base an I'm pretty sure we are getting bags with a tren base an tren acetate mixture

 

[Monstar]

I had a batch of ace with the sludge it destroyed 3 of my beakers while I tried to figure out what tf was going on.from what I have heard about the cloudyness from the base not separating I have a theory that the sludge is tren base that didn't have the acetate ester attached properly if I come across the sludge again I'm going to use the tren base recipe an see what happens if it fixes the problem the supplier should have to replace the raws because mistake or not we aren't ordering tren base an I'm pretty sure we are getting bags with a tren base an tren acetate mixture

It was mentioned that uneven temp creates a mix of base and acetate and it won't be homogeneous in the powder. Cloudy is probably mostly tren a and some base. Sludge is likely from an area that was much more heavily base. Buddy still has some but no way a little tren e is fixing that issue. It will go into solution at 100% ba and BB but immediately falls with any substantial oil gumming the beaker etc... Not sure what will hold. No refunds and honestly who wants replacement from that same stock?

 

[Holidaypay]

It was mentioned that uneven temp creates a mix of base and acetate and it won't be homogeneous in the powder. Cloudy is probably mostly tren a and some base. Sludge is likely from an area that was much more heavily base. Buddy still has some but no way a little tren e is fixing that issue. It will go into solution at 100% ba and BB but immediately falls with any substantial oil gumming the beaker etc... Not sure what will hold. No refunds and honestly who wants replacement from that same stock?

Yeh I agree with that an I said the same thing when they offered to replace it I told them na there is no point in paying shipping for more garbage lol

 

[Monstar]

Yeh I agree with that an I said the same thing when they offered to replace it I told them na there is no point in paying shipping for more garbage lol

Buddy did the same under my advisement. Never in the history of tren brewing has there been a "sludge-like" issue with unfilterable mess - this is a class a horrible batch. My bet is that this crap is still going out on one-off retail orders but long time UGLs and suppliers are being offered something different. No way they would stand for this.

Then again this is the value of a good lab with tested product. If it's bad or misbrewed, customs gets it, bad testing of raws or finished...they own it, not you.

 

[sumpm1]

Well if it provides any extra info that can help, you can delete this comment, or I will happily if instructed; the source for the op gear involves a type of bear that is colored purple.

 

[Holidaypay]

Well if it provides any extra info that can help, you can delete this comment, or I will happily if instructed; the source for the op gear involves a type of bear that is colored purple.

Its encuraged on meso to post the source good or bad that way they can be held responsible for there actions an last summer they had a really bad batch of test e raws go out if that fits ur timeline its gna hurt like a bitch most likely if u pop into the panda thread the last few pages it was actually talked about a good amount

 

[wantsomemore]

If tren A raws were exposed to moisture, would putting the raws into mason jars with silica packs for an extended period of time fix cloudy tren issues?

 

[Holidaypay]

If tren A raws were exposed to moisture, would putting the raws into mason jars with silica packs for an extended period of time fix cloudy tren issues?

No u have to warm the oil but are u 100% the raws got moist because bad tren a has Ben going around alot long story short its got tren base in it so it won't clear up with normal recipe if that's the case its fixable an if its moist just heat it on 90 degrees for 30 min intervals with it vented an it should clear up

 

[wantsomemore]

No u have to warm the oil but are u 100% the raws got moist because bad tren a has Ben going around alot long story short its got tren base in it so it won't clear up with normal recipe if that's the case its fixable an if its moist just heat it on 90 degrees for 30 min intervals with it vented an it should clear up

Same bag of tren A raws used.

1st brew = great, no issues, no cloudiness
2st brew (approx. 6 months later) = cloudy tren

Raws weren't kept in special container, vacuum sealed bag, mason jars, etc. Just tucked away in dark place. I'm wondering if silica packs in mason jars would fix this, or if there's another method to use to try and pull moisture out.

 

[Holidaypay]

Same bag of tren A raws used.

1st brew = great, no issues, no cloudiness
2st brew (approx. 6 months later) = cloudy tren

Raws weren't kept in special container, vacuum sealed bag, mason jars, etc. Just tucked away in dark place. I'm wondering if silica packs in mason jars would fix this, or if there's another method to use to try and pull moisture out.

Ok u sound right about the moisture an sorry can't help with that one never really heard of ways to pull moisture out of the powder raws only after its made into oil

 

[AASraw]

...getting bags with a tren base an tren acetate mixture

There is a different attitude on this point. The tren powders are so different with each others and there is very few chance to get them misplaced.
To check the the difference on color and character as below:

Tren Ace is with small particle size than Tren E, and almost the same size as Tren Hex and Tren base.
Tren E is with the only one crystalline powder, shinny, but a little bigger particle size.
Tren Base is with the most deep yellow color than others.
Tren Hex is with darker yellow than Tren Ace and Tren E, but lighter yellow than Tren base.