Aesthetictech
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Yea sent a PM last week and haven’t heard a thing...
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Yea sent a PM last week and haven’t heard a thing...
From what I’ve researched and listened to there are tons of study’s done on DNP.
Alex Kikel goes over this info on a few of his podcasts on Beast Fitness Radio. You may want to check them out.
If you believe what he says in the podcasts then then DNP is extremely safe when used properly and worked so well it was made illegal. The studies were buried and then DNP was demonized. Our current health care system needs obese people to make its money.
That is a complete load of horse shit. Starting with the fact it was never "made illegal". When I say "it" I'm not even referring to DNP because that's not actually what was on, and subsequently removed from, the market.
I could have got the terms mixed up. May have been banned. I’ll go back and listen to them again because it’s been a while. Just trying to learn about it before I try it.
It's a common misconception that it was banned or made illegal by the FDA... the FDA wasn't really established until after it had been on the market for a while. It was the wild west, you could sell what you wanted and it was a matter of buyer beware. Unfortunately, a lot of shit was being sold and, long story short, it was voluntarily removed from the market by the manufacturer. But it wasn't DNP that was even on the market, it was an even more toxic version... I'm blanking on the name at the moment.
I can write a more in depth about it later if someone is interested but I strongly disagree with Alex's thoughts if what you've said is the basic premise of what he said.
FattyMcFatterson
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@Eman I’m very interested in reading a write up from you. Thanks in advance, so far you have been a wealth of unbiased information.
My write up was just in reference to Mr. Kikel's statements as per MoonKnight, I haven't listened to his podcast.
In the 1930's the FDA was primarily responsible for ensuring that there wasn't product misbranding occurring. For example, sulfanilimide was branded and sold as an elixir back then but it was also responsible for killing about 100 adults and children. The only reason it was able to be removed from market was because it contained no alcohol - by definition, an elixir contains alcohol so it was misbranded and thus able to be removed from the market.
Meanwhile in the 30's, Cutting and Tainter were studying DNP at Stanford. They were studying it as an application for weight loss and were both established physicians. Cutting and Tainter stated in their research that, despite it's potential for toxic effects, it could be used safely as a means for weight loss. It was never a prescription product but physicians began recommending it and pharmacist's began selling it over the counter with no instructions or word of precaution to anyone who asked for it.
An ad salesman and a friend of a physician who dispensed DNP got together and founded Isabella Labs. They came up with Formula 281, which contained about 100mg of DNP, and took it to market. A year later they changed formula 281 and renamed it Improved Formula 281, this no longer contained Dinitrophenol... it contained Dinitrocresol (DNC) which is 5 times more potent than DNP.
200mg of DNP will raise BMR by about 20%. 200mg of DNC will raise BMR by about 100%. Read that again and consider the magnitude of calories being burned if you do the math of what your BMR is. A lb of fat is about 3500cal... your BMR might be around 2300cal.... There are no reports in medical literature about deaths due to DNC but there is a lack of information on DNC's use in general during this time. It's not possible to know if it's more toxic or dangerous. These capsules of F281 were sold in the hundreds of thousands in the 30's.
The government came along and the label claims of Formula 281 were deemed untrue - it was said to "literally burn fat away", "has no side effects", etc. Because the government could pursue companies that made false label claims, which they felt Formula 281 did for whatever reason, Isabella Labs was sent a formal request to have Formula 281's (Dinitrocresol) production stopped. The FDA commented that it was too dangerous to be used under any circumstances but they did not ban it, the government requested it's discontinuation based solely on it's advertising/labeling and not on safety.
The American Medical Society's council for Chem and Pharmacy referred to DNP as a double edged sword with great potential for both harm and good. Obesity was not the reason for all cause mortality back then either and was considered a mild condition... today it can be linked to almost every form of disease and affliction we know of.
T&H
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I thought there were a ton of studies from the 30s available online. Concilator posted a ton of info on many sites referencing the studies. Guess what, imagine most were obese who took it.
AND yeah, probably no studies backing the factor it kills thirst. That's what I and a few others experienced. Just make sure to stay hydrated, especially during summer cycles.
AND yeah, probably no studies backing the factor it kills thirst. That's what I and a few others experienced. Just make sure to stay hydrated, especially during summer cycles.
There is one that shows it suppresses thirst in dogs - I've never seen it anywhere else or heard about it anecdotally until you/kracken mentioned it.
There are a fair amount of studies, a few pretty comprehensive, like Cutting and Tainter's research. But, if you compare the amount of studies to something as heavily studied as creatine, then I would say it's not really in the same realm.
He hasn’t been on since last Thursday so hopefully just busy. Last dnp guy ghosted hard
shreddedlabs
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Hoping to get it sent out to weights and measures today for testing had to look into them a bit and decide whether or not to go with them or janoshik. Will start selling it soon as they say its quality stuff.
Aesthetictech
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Any word on clen restock?
I tried to locate the information about DNP being more dangerous for obese people (that is, people with lots of body fat, not just a high BMI number) but no luck. If I come across it I'll post but for now I have to retract that comment. As I think about it, it may have been speculation that obese people would tend to take higher doses, increasing risk, but, in the back of my head is a memory that the dosage "guidelines," such as they are in the BB community, apply less well to persons with higher BF%, but again, until I find the source, I'm speculating.
Back to the question about dosage, Wikipedia relates some information about dosages that are high based upon body weight:
2,4-Dinitrophenol - Wikipedia
My comment about a lack of studies was intended to refer to actual academic studies with a real control group that measure DNP as a weight loss compound. There is no shortage of reports of people having died from it. Of course there are few published reports of people not dying from it, but why would there be.
In another thread I saw a post that contained a report that a drug company is actually investigating DNP for its weight loss properties, which is very encouraging. It would be great if this stuff was legitimately available from reliable phrama manufacturers.
Back to the question about dosage, Wikipedia relates some information about dosages that are high based upon body weight:
2,4-Dinitrophenol - Wikipedia
My comment about a lack of studies was intended to refer to actual academic studies with a real control group that measure DNP as a weight loss compound. There is no shortage of reports of people having died from it. Of course there are few published reports of people not dying from it, but why would there be.
In another thread I saw a post that contained a report that a drug company is actually investigating DNP for its weight loss properties, which is very encouraging. It would be great if this stuff was legitimately available from reliable phrama manufacturers.
T&H
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There's a DNP discord that is all about dnp with faqs, a dosage calculator, and great info. If anyone interested, search for it.
shreddedlabs
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clen should be back in stock at the end of today or monday. sorry for how long it has taken our first attempt at restocking never made it through customs.
Aesthetictech
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Keep us posted. Only waiting on that man.
Hi there, I'm sending you an email as I'd like to place an order. Email will be from gucka Smalls
MisterSuperGod
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i'm sure his balls are tingling with with nervous uncertainty knowing that he has a Gucka Smalls email to wake up to.
Actually, that sounds exciting. Email me too, please.
MisterSuperGod
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i'm sure his balls are tingling with with nervous uncertainty knowing that he has a Gucka Smalls email to wake up to.
Actually, that sounds exciting. Email me too, please.
Proofread 3x and still came out with a "with with" in there. FML.
Anywho, just messing with ya' Gucka. Good to see some women coming to the forums once again.
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