I wish Arnold would just shut the fuck up already!

Demondosage

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Seriously, this guy used to be an idol to me but the more I hear him lately the more I just wish he would STFU!

We get it fuckface, you don't eat meat anymore, congrats! NOW, please explain to us that the reason is because you are older and have had quadruple bypass like 3x and that some guy who is 20 years old is not in the same category!

Nobody eating plants and in portions of about 200 calories a meal is building any size, so quit feeding the world your theoretical, plant hugger, clean living bullshit already.

This dude is the biggest damn hypocrite in bodybuilding. Come to think of it, I never even learned much from reading his shit. If you don't like the modern day physiques then take your fucking name off the competition and stop showing up! Oh yea, that's right, it's all about money isn't it? Just like your plant fucker documentary. Cats like this are sellouts, I have so much more respect for a guy like Dorian Yates lately. Dorian never sold out
 
He has definitely sold out. The issue isn’t changing your views/practices, it’s the preaching that others should do the same. It’s no different than older pros saying you only need cruise test and 150g protein. They’ve already built the muscle. Maintaining and building are not equivalent.
 
He has definitely sold out. The issue isn’t changing your views/practices, it’s the preaching that others should do the same. It’s no different than older pros saying you only need cruise test and 150g protein. They’ve already built the muscle. Maintaining and building are not equivalent.
Fucking spot on!! Exactly
 
He has definitely sold out. The issue isn’t changing your views/practices, it’s the preaching that others should do the same. It’s no different than older pros saying you only need cruise test and 150g protein. They’ve already built the muscle. Maintaining and building are not equivalent.

Yup
There is such a difference when it comes to building vs rebuilding/maintaining.

It's pretty fucking hypocritical to say otherwise.
Let's look at Callums muscle built in like 6 months, it's insane... but he had it before his injury.

Or even myself.
I threw in more mass in 6 months than most guys can do in a cycle with a gram of gear.

But I was a skinny/fat fuck who hadnt hit the iron for 6 years.

The muscle remembers for sure.
 
Arnold is getting older, he knows he's on borrowed time, many of his buddies dropped dead at a fairly young age.

Plant based diets are good for the masses, not competitive body builders, but most people in America eat way too much meat and far too little veggies and fruits. When I eat a half a pound of collards or kale a day people are grossed out, but that shit is loaded with micro-nutrients. I feel good eating that.

I do think its smart to eat fish wild caught salmon, mackrel, sardine, herring, these are extremely healthy. Fatty farm animals that are fed garbage diets probably aren't healthy at all.

And if you read the NIH studies they'll show meat consumption and cancer rates correlate pretty strongly.

This is all very political, your body doesn't care about politics. People get very riled up when someone is talking about vegan diets as if they were committing blasphemy and with good reason, it calls into question the ethics of slaughtering animals that really don't like being slaughtered.
 
Arnold is getting older, he knows he's on borrowed time, many of his buddies dropped dead at a fairly young age.

Plant based diets are good for the masses, not competitive body builders, but most people in America eat way too much meat and far too little veggies and fruits. When I eat a half a pound of collards or kale a day people are grossed out, but that shit is loaded with micro-nutrients. I feel good eating that.

I do think its smart to eat fish wild caught salmon, mackrel, sardine, herring, these are extremely healthy. Fatty farm animals that are fed garbage diets probably aren't healthy at all.

And if you read the NIH studies they'll show meat consumption and cancer rates correlate pretty strongly.

This is all very political, your body doesn't care about politics. People get very riled up when someone is talking about vegan diets as if they were committing blasphemy and with good reason, it calls into question the ethics of slaughtering animals that really don't like being slaughtered.
Mankind has been murdering animals for food for millennia. So has every other carnivorous species on the planet, except lions tend to hunt an animal down and begin tearing at it until it slows, then choke it alive, much better for the prey I’m sure :)

Correlation also not causation.

And exactly what about a vegetarian diet is better for the masses? If you’re gonna come in with that kind of statement you’d better have some facts.

the vast majority of vegetarian and vegans are deficient in tons of nutrients and have to supplement them. If your diet excludes items for moral reasons, or you have a health issue that makes certain things a bad idea, ok. I mean i don’t even care what someone else’s diet is. Their choice.

Until vegans and vegetarians are outliving omnivores by decades the concept of it being a superior diet is just speculation and a way of trying to add credibility to a dieting decision placed at best on moral grounds or at worst on being persuaded by falsehoods and fads. The number of people who believed the things said that in Gamechangers documentary was sad and depressing.

And you’re right. Political as fuck. But morally objecting to animal slaughter isn’t political. Its almost as if peolple with special interests fund media benefitting their special interests. :eek:

Plus, imagine wanting to live a year or two longer but never being able to eat a 24oz tomahawk? Oof. No thanks.
 
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Mankind has been murdering animals for food for millennia. So has every other carnivorous species on the planet, except lions tend to hunt an animal down and begin tearing at it until it slows, then choke it alive, much better for the prey I’m sure :)

Correlation also not causation.

And exactly what about a vegetarian diet is better for the masses? If you’re gonna come in with that kind of statement you’d better have some facts.

the vast majority of vegetarian and vegans are deficient in tons of nutrients and have to supplement them. If your diet excludes items for moral reasons, or you have a health issue that makes certain things a bad idea, ok. I mean i don’t even care what someone else’s diet is. Their choice.

Until vegans and vegetarians are outliving omnivores by decades the concept of it being a superior diet is just speculation and a way of trying to add credibility to a dieting decision placed at best on moral grounds or at worst on being persuaded by falsehoods and fads. The number of people who believed the things said that in Gamechangers documentary was sad and depressing.

And you’re right. Political as fuck. But morally objecting to animal slaughter isn’t political. Its almost as if peolple with special interests fund media benefitting their special interests. :eek:

Plus, imagine wanting to live a year or two longer but never being able to eat a 24oz tomahawk? Oof. No thanks.


Vegans and Vegetarians typically should take an A-Z multivitamin everyday. Make sure they get enough iron, iodine, B12, Omega-3 EPA/DHA.

However it's a matter of balance for most people. Lets be honest, Americans are obese with huge slabs of blubber hanging off their sides. When the world is asked what comes to mind when you think of people from the United States....they usually say fat slob loud mouth.

The question of living longer on a diet has never been resolved because it's far too complex to nail down to a diet. It seems to be much more about genetics as we've all seen the guy that is 115 years old smoking and drinking hard liquor everyday, where's some people run and eat a very healthy diet and die at 55.

The CRON diet was said to show the best result for markers suggesting longevity, this being a calorie restriction optimized diet with a large variety of foods including animal products, with nutrient dense foods like seafood. However the founder of this dietary research, a pathologist, I believe died of cancer.

Eating in moderation appears to be the main approach to living longer with less complications. The Standard American Diet isn't good, sugar, salt, unhealthy processed fats, food that is almost completely devoid of any micronutrients.

As for the animal cruelty issue. If we go into some of these Asian wet markets and see live animals bashed over the head, crowded into small cages, skinned alive, thrown into a vat of hot water and boiled alive. I could link to a video containing these things with a dog being strung up by his neck and cooked alive with a torch while it yelps and screams out in pain. It's horrendous, but we also have to consider our own practices, industrialized slaughter houses in America are high volume places and as a result the animals are subjected to what many people consider cruelty(also workers mental health in these places aren't so great either). The people that argue against animal cruelty do have a valid position, even if Americans don't see the connection between their own species and other animals that are capable of fear and pain with a nervous system like our own.

The problem is both sides can't sit down and have a calm rational discussion. Like most things American, people cling to their own beliefs without evidence or they fund skewed research to support their beliefs.

Diets have been studied exhaustively by the NIH, the research is there, it's easy to obtain, but the NIH can't go around spreading this info as there are special interests that don't appreciate anyone letting someone know that you don't have to drink dairy for strong bones, calcium carbonate found in alternative milks has been shown to work better than dairy for building bone density.

The diet that does seem to fix more problems then just about any seems to be fasting, eating less food. We see this lowers blood pressure, dissolves plaque in arteries as the body uses this fat as a source of energy.
 
Don’t disagree with anything there specifically except salt. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with salt. It has been demonized by the medical industry but is not at all the true cause of all the things it’s blamed for.

would also footnote that by saying if you’re on AAS, I would doubt your goal is absolute longevity of life or the desire to be “balanced” in diet and training.
 
Don’t disagree with anything there specifically except salt. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with salt. It has been demonized by the medical industry but is not at all the true cause of all the things it’s blamed for.

would also footnote that by saying if you’re on AAS, I would doubt your goal is absolute longevity of life or the desire to be “balanced” in diet and training.

Longevity shouldn't be the goal of anyone. What difference does it make to live to be 100 if you feel like shit. I'd rather be dead at 65 and live like I want then sit around worrying about staying alive every minute of the day. I would make one small request that I die in my sleep without any pain.

As for salt, some people are salt sensitive. I know old Stan Efferding with his vertical diet bullshit is gaining popularity, putting it out there that you need a lot of salt to compete and that's probably the case, you don't want to cramp up. However most people get way too much salt in their diet and I'm salt sensitive, my head starts pounding when I eat salty foods.

It's really just a matter of simple chemistry. You add more salt to your diet, it pulls more water into your blood vessels to dilute out the salt which raises blood pressure. Overtime this raised blood pressure causes the walls of your arteries to thicken raising blood pressure even more.

Of course many people take blood pressure medication, but this is like starting a fire just so you can use your fire extinguisher.
 
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Mankind has been murdering animals for food for millennia. So has every other carnivorous species on the planet, except lions tend to hunt an animal down and begin tearing at it until it slows, then choke it alive, much better for the prey I’m sure :)

Correlation also not causation.

And exactly what about a vegetarian diet is better for the masses? If you’re gonna come in with that kind of statement you’d better have some facts.

the vast majority of vegetarian and vegans are deficient in tons of nutrients and have to supplement them. If your diet excludes items for moral reasons, or you have a health issue that makes certain things a bad idea, ok. I mean i don’t even care what someone else’s diet is. Their choice.

Until vegans and vegetarians are outliving omnivores by decades the concept of it being a superior diet is just speculation and a way of trying to add credibility to a dieting decision placed at best on moral grounds or at worst on being persuaded by falsehoods and fads. The number of people who believed the things said that in Gamechangers documentary was sad and depressing.

And you’re right. Political as fuck. But morally objecting to animal slaughter isn’t political. Its almost as if peolple with special interests fund media benefitting their special interests. :eek:

Plus, imagine wanting to live a year or two longer but never being able to eat a 24oz tomahawk? Oof. No thanks.
I wonder where the vegans are going to be when next Ice age comes around.
 
Longevity shouldn't be the goal of anyone. What difference does it make to live to be 100 if you feel like shit. I'd rather be dead at 65 and live like I want then sit around worrying about staying alive every minute of the day. I would make one small request that I die in my sleep without any pain.

As for salt, some people are salt sensitive. I know old Stan Efferding with his vertical diet bullshit is gaining popularity, putting it out there that you need a lot of salt to compete and that's probably the case, you don't want to cramp up. However most people get way too much salt in their diet and I'm salt sensitive, my head starts pounding when I eat salty foods.

It's really just a matter of simple chemistry. You add more salt to your diet, it pulls more water into your blood vessels to dilute out the salt which raises blood pressure. Overtime this raised blood pressure causes the walls of your arteries to thicken raising blood pressure even more.

Of course many people take blood pressure medication, but this is like starting a fire just so you can use your fire extinguisher.
What’re your potassium levels like? I’m curious.
 
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I wonder where the vegans are going to be when next Ice age comes around.

Mankind will be eating synthesize food. It's just a matter of scaling it up to make it affordable and tasty. Think Star Trek where they solve the problem of want and need using a replicator to create and recycle on demand.
 
Longevity shouldn't be the goal of anyone. What difference does it make to live to be 100 if you feel like shit. I'd rather be dead at 65 and live like I want then sit around worrying about staying alive every minute of the day. I would make one small request that I die in my sleep without any pain.

As for salt, some people are salt sensitive. I know old Stan Efferding with his vertical diet bullshit is gaining popularity, putting it out there that you need a lot of salt to compete and that's probably the case, you don't want to cramp up. However most people get way too much salt in their diet and I'm salt sensitive, my head starts pounding when I eat salty foods.

It's really just a matter of simple chemistry. You add more salt to your diet, it pulls more water into your blood vessels to dilute out the salt which raises blood pressure. Overtime this raised blood pressure causes the walls of your arteries to thicken raising blood pressure even more.

Of course many people take blood pressure medication, but this is like starting a fire just so you can use your fire extinguisher.

Makes sense if you're sensitive to salt.

On the other hand, you get guys like me who crave salt constantly as my body just wants more and more.

As such my potassium is typically a little low unless I'm force feeding salt lol
 
What’re your potassium levels like? I’m curious.

Always in normal range. I couldn't possibly get a low potassium as I eat a lot of potassium rich foods like sweet potatoes.

Potassium as the balance to excess sodium will only get you so far if you're genetically prone salt sensitivity.

For me I can easily do with 300mg of sodium a day and feel just fine, you have to have sodium to carry nerve signals, but your body also holds onto sodium, it's not something that's gonna disappear if you don't replenish it every day. Even when you're sweating for hours in the hot sun, your body will slow the excretion of salt once you start getting low. You'd have to worry much more about keeping glucose levels topped up in a situation like that than worry about salt.
 
I ask because recent stuff I’ve read points to potassium:sodium ratio being far more consequential than the absolute intake of sodium.

300mg..? With an m in front of the g? Jesus Christ. I’m in the 3-5g range.
 
I ask because recent stuff I’ve read points to potassium:sodium ratio being far more consequential than the absolute intake of sodium.

300mg..? With an m in front of the g? Jesus Christ. I’m in the 3-5g range.

Salt makes a lot of foods that don't have much taste on there own taste good. So walking away from it isn't easy and that's why most of our foods are loaded with salt to make sure people enjoy and buy them.

If you look at most foods in the American diet, especially fast food it's just different mixtures of fat, salt and sugar. All things that lead people coming back for more.
 
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