Ketamine?

[Deleted member 123722]

Never tried DMT, there's a few variations of it though and apparently the frog venom shit is a rocket blast to the machine elves on mars

DMT is literally like being knocked out and thrown into a dream... it's certainly not something you can take and walk around the club lol

 

[BawlsDeep]

You really think guys using this stuff are concerned with whether it acts as a diuretic?

I generally use a 2 week crack binge to dry up and lean out, so im happy to explore options.

Acid is more of a tossup since obviously I can't make that on my own,

Not with that attitude.

With all this PCP talk im surprised nobody mentioned the rapper who jumped off a balcony and cut his cock off:

Wu-Tang-affiliated rapper was on PCP when he cut off his own penis

Andre Johnson, the rapper with loose connections to hip-hop's famed Wu-Tang Clan who cut his penis off before jumping off a second-floor balcony last week, was high on PCP, at the time of the poorly executed suicide attempt, it was revealed Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This ever growing reliance on drugs for every aspect of life is really disturbing and seems to be getting worse. Kids today are coddled. Back in my day we didnt need drugs, we would just jump out of balconies and cut our sober cocks off.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I generally use a 2 week crack binge to dry up and lean out, so im happy to explore options.

Not with that attitude.

With all this PCP talk im surprised nobody mentioned the rapper who jumped off a balcony and cut his cock off:

Wu-Tang-affiliated rapper was on PCP when he cut off his own penis

Andre Johnson, the rapper with loose connections to hip-hop's famed Wu-Tang Clan who cut his penis off before jumping off a second-floor balcony last week, was high on PCP, at the time of the poorly executed suicide attempt, it was revealed Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

This ever growing reliance on drugs for every aspect of life is really disturbing and seems to be getting worse. Kids today are coddled. Back in my day we didnt need drugs, we would just jump out of balconies and cut our sober cocks off.

lol...Ya these guys are really taking shit too far... Cut of the cock fine, but why jump off the balcony?

 

[hudson98]

It is ironic how people are judging on here. I argue alcohol and cigs are worse, and in fact, have killed more people than any rec drugs we know, obviously next to opiates, which got a boost from Big Pharm and its unethical practices

I am in agreement alcohol is trash. But I find it odd people keep spewing this "don't judge!!" nonsense. We should judge everything. The word judge literally means to have an opinion. Usually when I hear someone say "don't judge" its because they are a snowflake.

I judge everyone and everything and I encourage everyone to unless they want to me a mindless robot or butterfly who just goes with the flow and has zero opinion,

 

[Jin23]

This one: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0306453019312934

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Thanks man I will definitely check it out! I still like to use mushrooms one or maybe twice a year. They are a great antidepressant and make a weekend feel like a week off!

Tnx!

Oh, you were talking about shrooms, oh, no, I wouldn't use that album for shrooms, ... that's for ket!

 

[Soloshino]

Been waiting to get into esketamine treatment for treatment resistant depression. Fuck rec drugs. This is a PED forum

I tried ketamine for this reason.
Ketamine treatment is extremely expensive - thousands of dollars' worth.
I would try some ketamine first just to see if you feel any relief. I personally was not that impressed so I never opted for the treatment.
Furthermore, ketamine totally destroyed my appetite and made my muscles numb so it's not really compatible with bodybuilding.

 

[Jin23]

it's not really compatible with bodybuilding.

It's not like you go training while on ket. Preferably you do it on an off day. Ketamine really helps in relieving HPA overstimulation and it disolves the ego, which is already pumped to the max because of all the androgen use. So it keeps you grounded. Imo, ketamine is compatible with bodybuilding.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

So I don't drink, smoke weed or cigs, but I do the occasional Ketamine trip to get an OBE (out of body experience) here and there. I used do the whole New Jersey house club scene, so I got involved wit the club drugs rather than drinking.

Last night, I injected 300mg of Ketamine into my muscles, had some fun flying around my room. What I do is, inject, put headphones on, and lay on the couch. It is truly an amazing experience.

Ketamine has also shown benefits in helping with brain repair and other things. Obviously, if you abuse it, you can get kidney issues and it could possibly kill you via that route. I don't abuse it.

This morning I went to weight myself, and a new low, 213lb...

Check out my cutting log for new pics.

Seems to me Ketamine can act as a diuretic?

It’s okay but it wouldn’t be my drug of choice.

So many better options, wait brain repair?

Are you sure about that man.. please…

 

[jJjburton]

It's not like you go training while on ket. Preferably you do it on an off day. Ketamine really helps in relieving HPA overstimulation and it disolves the ego, which is already pumped to the max because of all the androgen use. So it keeps you grounded. Imo, ketamine is compatible with bodybuilding.

Hmm might have to grab a bit

I had an ego death with ket, scariest most beautiful experience if my life. I hade a reel of life events that occured replay like a slideshow. 6 events that were all horrible in my life. Run through like a slide show 2x, which is 12 slide show. And it litterally moved like a slide show once that episode ended. I was that person again in the slide show but just watching the others around me. While i went through a multiple pixelated vortex and there I litterally excepted the fact i died. Which i then felt the connection of all energy and people in the world. And melted into the world. I was totally in a different place. No motor function because i was not in my body.

I litterally did not expect that, it was my first time ever, and i snorted a .3. I had no idea that was even possible. I dont know if i would do that purposely. Maybe.

My dog litterally laid cuddled next to me the whole time. She doesnt do that to often. It was like she felt the calmness.

 

[Jin23]

Hmm might have to grab a bit

I had an ego death with ket, scariest most beautiful experience if my life. I hade a reel of life events that occured replay like a slideshow. 6 events that were all horrible in my life. Run through like a slide show 2x, which is 12 slide show. And it litterally moved like a slide show once that episode ended. I was that person again in the slide show but just watching the others around me. While i went through a multiple pixelated vortex and there I litterally excepted the fact i died. Which i then felt the connection of all energy and people in the world. And melted into the world. I was totally in a different place. No motor function because i was not in my body.

I litterally did not expect that, it was my first time ever, and i snorted a .3. I had no idea that was even possible. I dont know if i would do that purposely. Maybe.

My dog litterally laid cuddled next to me the whole time. She doesnt do that to often. It was like she felt the calmness.

Nice, that sound awesome. Ketamine is great for keeping you grounded. Away from being a moronic egotistical materialist. All psychedelics do that. It's why I love them.

300mg is a lot, especially in one dose. My dosages are usually around 100mg divided in to 3 or 4 lines or sprays if I dilute it in the water. This doesn't create the kind of experiences you're describing, but it's enough to center me back to being "present" and it's enough for it's antidepressant/neurogenic effects. Although a bit higher dose of 0.5mg x kg would be better for that.

 

[Jin23]

It’s okay but it wouldn’t be my drug of choice.

So many better options, wait brain repair?

Are you sure about that man.. please…

Not many "better" options, but many different options. Ketamine is the fastest acting antidepressant on the market (I think, if not, then "one of the fastest" ...). It helps a lot with blood brain flow, neuroinflammation, HPA axis, etc. It substantially raises BDNF. It has it's downsides, off course, like rebound glutamate problems, freezing of neurons, etc. But honestly, it has been nothing but good to me. Just google it, do some research.

 

[MFAAS]

Hmm might have to grab a bit

I had an ego death with ket, scariest most beautiful experience if my life. I hade a reel of life events that occured replay like a slideshow. 6 events that were all horrible in my life. Run through like a slide show 2x, which is 12 slide show. And it litterally moved like a slide show once that episode ended. I was that person again in the slide show but just watching the others around me. While i went through a multiple pixelated vortex and there I litterally excepted the fact i died. Which i then felt the connection of all energy and people in the world. And melted into the world. I was totally in a different place. No motor function because i was not in my body.

I litterally did not expect that, it was my first time ever, and i snorted a .3. I had no idea that was even possible. I dont know if i would do that purposely. Maybe.

My dog litterally laid cuddled next to me the whole time. She doesnt do that to often. It was like she felt the calmness.

Dogs are the best thing when tripping.

The thing is esketamine isn't even what causes the antidepressant effects. I believe it is (2R,6R)hydroxynorketamine. This doesn't have the trappings, it is an inactive metabolite that lasts a long time in the body. There may be benefit to the trip for sure (I believe there is). The only reason they went with trials for esket instead of just straight (2R,6R)HNK (or even racemic ketamine because that metabolite is created in larger quantities by the R enantiomer vs the S enantiomer) is because esket had already been approved in the past for anesthesia and whatnot so they could fast track it. Whereas with the metabolite they would have to start from animal safety trials, thus it would've taken a lot longer and more money. Just a fun fact for those interested

Edit: it had been several years since I looked into this. This study sums up the knowledge to date nicely Development of (2R,6R)-Hydroxynorketamine

 

[Jin23]

Dogs are the best thing when tripping.

The thing is esketamine isn't even what causes the antidepressant effects. I believe it is (2R,6R)hydroxynorketamine. This doesn't have the trappings, it is an inactive metabolite that lasts a long time in the body. There may be benefit to the trip for sure (I believe there is). The only reason they went with trials for esket instead of just straight (2R,6R)HNK (or even racemic ketamine because that metabolite is created in larger quantities by the R enantiomer vs the S enantiomer) is because esket had already been approved in the past for anesthesia and whatnot so they could fast track it. Whereas with the metabolite they would have to start from animal safety trials, thus it would've taken a lot longer and more money. Just a fun fact for those interested

Edit: it had been several years since I looked into this. This study sums up the knowledge to date nicely Development of (2R,6R)-Hydroxynorketamine

Great post.

Wasn't the fact the racemic ket could not be patented by the drug company the reason for S-ket marketing?

Sket is also less sedating the R or racemic, so that is another plus for the general populi ...

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

Not many "better" options, but many different options. Ketamine is the fastest acting antidepressant on the market (I think, if not, then "one of the fastest" ...). It helps a lot with blood brain flow, neuroinflammation, HPA axis, etc. It substantially raises BDNF. It has it's downsides, off course, like rebound glutamate problems, freezing of neurons, etc. But honestly, it has been nothing but good to me. Just google it, do some research.

Personally I’ve taken it both IM and IN and all honestly gotta say it feels like hypoxia once you wake up.

It’s like waking up from an anaesthetic, well obviously because it is one.

You can take baby doses and go “on the nod” like with opioids where you are kinda in and out of reality, it’s not a nice feeling tbh.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

It’s okay but it wouldn’t be my drug of choice.

So many better options, wait brain repair?

Are you sure about that man.. please…

There's a fuck ton of Ketamine clinics now all over the place that offer IV drips to handle several mental disorders, especially depression.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

There's a fuck ton of Ketamine clinics now all over the place that offer IV drips to handle several mental disorders, especially depression.

It could be different in a clinic yes.

On your own, nah i wouldn’t recommend it

 

[Jin23]

It could be different in a clinic yes.

On your own, nah i wouldn’t recommend it

Omfg, just stfu man. Nobody cares what your tren'ed up, depressed, doesn't believe in pharmaceuticals and tren doesn't effect you, stupid ass retarded, low iq, closed minded, thick headed mofo thinks or recommends. Go pin your fucking tren and stfu. You haven't the first clue about drugs, neurobiology and psychology.

I swear, this place used to be semi respectable, with knowledgeable people and now it's just some random ass, juiced up, impulsive, unstable, thick headed mofo's writing and asking idiotic, teenager equivalent questions and opinion pieces. The amount of chit I read in one day on these pages is just mind boggling. All this idiots pinning their asses with oil, making them even more thick headed and retarded, it's fucking ridiculous.

 

[Joseph Plunkett]

Omfg, just stfu man. Nobody cares what your tren'ed up, depressed, doesn't believe in pharmaceuticals and tren doesn't effect you, stupid ass retarded, low iq, closed minded, thick headed mofo thinks or recommends. Go pin your fucking tren and stfu. You haven't the first clue about drugs, neurobiology and psychology.

I swear, this place used to be semi respectable, with knowledgeable people and now it's just some random ass, juiced up, impulsive, unstable, thick headed mofo's writing and asking idiotic, teenager equivalent questions and opinion pieces. The amount of chit I read in one day on these pages is just mind boggling. All this idiots pinning their asses with oil, making them even more thick headed and retarded, it's fucking ridiculous.

Wait what?

Control your anger man, you’ve complete taken what I said out of context.

I’ve done ketamine many times, it’s like a hypnotic it knocks you out.

If you do small doses it makes you feel like (but not exactly) like you’ve taken some opioids.

It’s like you go “on the nod” as they say except it’s a weird stimmy feeling.

It’s very weird and I don’t like it, so obviously I’m a clinical setting they’ll be monitoring you and know the exact dosage to give you.

When I said not to do it on your own I meant not to get it from the black market and start snorting it in your bedroom and not knowing what dosage it is or if it’s even ketamine to begin with.

That’s what I done, I got it from the black market and done it both intramuscular and insuffulation.

I forbade against injecting IV as it gives you a rush and obviously that would just reinforce the behaviour.

You’ll start chasing the dragon (even though it usually relates to smoking crack and opium) although you get what I mean.

It’s a very odd drug to be messing around with as the effects change with the dosage and everyone wants to “enter the K-hole” as they often put.

The issue with this is that it requires a very high dosage and your messing with fire and could very easily overdose.

That’s what the K-hole is…… a near death experience… except maybe it won’t be a near death and could easily end up being actually dead.

Unfortunately I’ve had a very sad and painful life and it led me to learn this knowledge about drugs.

It’s not something I’m proud of and I feel like a piece of shit that I’m so experienced on the topic.

So maybe you should think carefully before criticising the advice people are trying to give you?

Cut out the tough guy crap.

 

[Rido]

Wait what?

Control your anger man, you’ve complete taken what I said out of context.


Cut out the tough guy crap.

Me and @Jin23 don't always saw eye to eye and he is alot more composed than I am. We have had plenty of arguments where we have talked shit to each other on this online forum.

I'm surprised you got him this annoyed, then again. I don't blame him considering your post history.



He must think you are a real moron.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I do ketamine to purposely explore the different states of mind to learn more about consciousness; I don't do it to go party anymore like in the club.

Every time I do it, I do it IM; I put on music, and start floating around. It's my way to have fun these days, rather than going out, partying and drinking or whatever else.