Double wood tongkat ali and fadogia agresitis

[hghlover]

So guys, like a lot of other people I saw the joe rogan podcast with andrew huberman saying these two products are proven to raise T levels with 2-400 points.

Does anyone have any experience with either? Safety issues? I bought mine from the company double wood but I've been reading that the company is pretty shady so ended up regretting... I'm sitting here now tho with the products in front of me and would love some feedback.

Thanks

 

[MFAAS]

The Body will try to find homeostasis. If you take a supplement then yeah it might raise T for a while. None of these have had follow up studies a year later etc., that show continued increased T levels. My understanding is that body will try to downregulate production of endogenous test if you take a supplement to increase it. So basically these supps might work for a while, but they will quit working sooner or later. The only way to truly raise T is to take exogenous T.

As far as supplement quality. Most of the sources of these supplements that come from the Southern/SE Asia region often have quality issues. They often can contain heavy metals and chemicals, etc., due to the extraction or manufacturing processes. I've never seen a third party purity test of any of these supps so its impossible to say the quality. Even if it works (raises T for some period of time) it could have lead or cadmium or some stuff like that in it. Not good!p

 

[hghlover]

The Body will try to find homeostasis. If you take a supplement then yeah it might raise T for a while. None of these have had follow up studies a year later etc., that show continued increased T levels. My understanding is that body will try to downregulate production of endogenous test if you take a supplement to increase it. So basically these supps might work for a while, but they will quit working sooner or later. The only way to truly raise T is to take exogenous T.

As far as supplement quality. Most of the sources of these supplements that come from the Southern/SE Asia region often have quality issues. They often can contain heavy metals and chemicals, etc., due to the extraction or manufacturing processes. I've never seen a third party purity test of any of these supps so its impossible to say the quality. Even if it works (raises T for some period of time) it could have lead or cadmium or some stuff like that in it. Not good!p

I believe the company nootropicdepot are doing tests. They actually (claimed) to have tested a bunch of tongkat ali from companies like double wood and found them to contain little to nothing.

In regards to homoestatis, I wonder if 5 days on 2 days off would counteract this?

I ran HGH peptides daily for years without tolerance but maybe it's different with HGH than it is with test?

 

[Highly ecto]

@MFAAS is right about Tongkat Ali to a certain extent. The majority of Tongkat Ali comes from Malaysia and Indonesia, is not thoroughly tested or extracted properly and will do very little to help Test levels. l have tried dozens of Tongkat Ali supplements over the last 15 years and only found 1 that made a big difference to my Test levels and is tested for potency and heavy metals. This is Tongkat Ali 2% or 10% Eurycomanone sold buy Nootropics. l take 1 of the 10% tablets with food in the morning and 1 of the 2% capsules at night with food. When l take this combo my Total Test is always around 30 nmol/L Range 6.0 to 28.0 nmol/L. Before l started this combo my Total test was always around 20 nmol/L. Nootropics test every batch and you can request to see a COA for any specific batch. This is the only Tongkat ali l will buy.

 

[hghlover]

@MFAAS is right about Tongkat Ali to a certain extent. The majority of Tongkat Ali comes from Malaysia and Indonesia, is not thoroughly tested or extracted properly and will do very little to help Test levels. l have tried dozens of Tongkat Ali supplements over the last 15 years and only found 1 that made a big difference to my Test levels and is tested for potency and heavy metals. This is Tongkat Ali 2% or 10% Eurycomanone sold buy Nootropics. l take 1 of the 10% tablets with food in the morning and 1 of the 2% capsules at night with food. When l take this combo my Total Test is always around 30 nmol/L Range 6.0 to 28.0 nmol/L. Before l started this combo my Total test was always around 20 nmol/L. Nootropics test every batch and you can request to see a COA for any specific batch. This is the only Tongkat ali l will buy.

Yea I had a feeling.... Should i throw this double wood garbage in the trash can and buy myself the nootropic depot stuff?

Also, you take it daily without tolerance issues?

 

[Highly ecto]

Yea I had a feeling.... Should i throw this double wood garbage in the trash can and buy myself the nootropic depot stuff?

l have never found 1 Tongkat Ali supplement do jack shit besides the Nootropics ones. Personally l would just do what l suggested in my previous post. l am 55 and lifelong natty with those Total test levels, so the stuff works.
You could even do 1 of the10% tabs twice a day with food instead of the 2% cap at night if you want an even bigger boost. l just find the combo l use to be enough.

 

[hghlover]

l have never found 1 Tongkat Ali supplement do jack shit besides the Nootropics ones. Personally l would just do what l suggested in my previous post. l am 55 and lifelong natty with those Total test levels, so the stuff works.
You could even do 1 of the10% tabs twice a day with food instead of the 2% cap at night if you want an even bigger boost. l just find the combo l use to be enough.

Thanks, I'll buy from them.
They ship from US right?

 

[Highly ecto]

Yea I had a feeling.... Should i throw this double wood garbage in the trash can and buy myself the nootropic depot stuff?

Also, you take it daily without tolerance issues?

l forgot to say l take it every day and haven't had any tolerance issues, but some people believe it is better to cycle it. l also have been taking 2 iu a day of HGH for the last 2 months.

 

[hghlover]

l forgot to say l take it every day and haven't had any tolerance issues, but some people believe it is better to cycle it. l also have been taking 2 iu a day of HGH for the last 2 months.

Nice! So your test levels have stayed stable despite taking it daily for long periode?

 

[Highly ecto]

Nice! So your test levels have stayed stable despite taking it daily for long periode?

l have been taking it for about 2 years. l did take 3-4 months off it about 6 months a go to see what would happen. At the end of the 3-4 months my Test dropped from 30.2 to 21.2. l then went back on it and with in 6 weeks my Test was back to 29.2.

 

[hghlover]

l have been taking it for about 2 years. l did take 3-4 months off it about 6 months a go to see what would happen. At the end of the 3-4 months my Test dropped from 30.2 to 21.2. l then went back on it and with in 6 weeks my Test was back to 29.2.

I just bought a shitload of the tablets and capsules from them, hoping they'll boost my test.

Are you taking anything else for test? Vitamin D and zinc are in my daily supplement regimen

 

[MFAAS]

I believe the company nootropicdepot are doing tests. They actually (claimed) to have tested a bunch of tongkat ali from companies like double wood and found them to contain little to nothing.

In regards to homoestatis, I wonder if 5 days on 2 days off would counteract this?

I ran HGH peptides daily for years without tolerance but maybe it's different with HGH than it is with test?

Yeah nootropicsdepot is, in my opinion, the most reputable. It COULD all be a front, like it was with Tailor Made Compounding Pharmacy. They claimed to have tested al these grey Market peptides and found impurities and metals and low doses, and thay they had the best stuff. But the FDA found they were literally just ordering raws from China and not even testing them. It was quite the scandal.

It really depends in the mechanism of action. Ashwagandha supposedly increases T by decreasing cortisol. Idk how these other plants are supposed to do it or if we even know the mechanism. It would all depend on the mechanism as to whether the body can find homeostasis and get back to pre-supp T levels of if you would be able to experience elevated T for longer.

 

[Highly ecto]

I just bought a shitload of the tablets and capsules from them, hoping they'll boost my test.

Are you taking anything else for test? Vitamin D and zinc are in my daily supplement regimen

When l was in my early 30's my Test was rock bottom around 6.0. l was actually given a referral to see an endocrinologist, but l decided l wanted to do it naturally. l spent the next 15 years trying every herb and supplement that was thought to help increase Test levels. All l did was spend thousands of dollars a year on supplements for very little results. About 6-7 years a go l completely changed my diet and my Test levels more than doubled with in 6 months. 2 years a go l started taking the Tongkat ali l mentioned and 6-9mgs of boron a day. There are a few other supps l take but none of them have anything to do with test production. l will say this to you, if you eat right take your Vit D, Zinc, Tongkat ali, Boron and don't get the results your happy with, don't go wasting thousands of dollars a year like l did on a whole heap of different supplements, because the majority of stuff don't do shit.

 

[hghlover]

When l was in my early 30's my Test was rock bottom around 6.0. l was actually given a referral to see an endocrinologist, but l decided l wanted to do it naturally. l spent the next 15 years trying every herb and supplement that was thought to help increase Test levels. All l did was spend thousands of dollars a year on supplements for very little results. About 6-7 years a go l completely changed my diet and my Test levels more than doubled with in 6 months. 2 years a go l started taking the Tongkat ali l mentioned and 6-9mgs of boron a day. There are a few other supps l take but none of them have anything to do with test production. l will say this to you, if you eat right take your Vit D, Zinc, Tongkat ali, Boron and don't get the results your happy with, don't go wasting thousands of dollars a year like l did on a whole heap of different supplements, because the majority of stuff don't do shit.

What changes did you make to your diet?

Raising your test with tongkat, has it given you any issues with your estrogen levels? Are you taking anything to maybe help keep estrogen in check?

 

[hghlover]

When l was in my early 30's my Test was rock bottom around 6.0. l was actually given a referral to see an endocrinologist, but l decided l wanted to do it naturally. l spent the next 15 years trying every herb and supplement that was thought to help increase Test levels. All l did was spend thousands of dollars a year on supplements for very little results. About 6-7 years a go l completely changed my diet and my Test levels more than doubled with in 6 months. 2 years a go l started taking the Tongkat ali l mentioned and 6-9mgs of boron a day. There are a few other supps l take but none of them have anything to do with test production. l will say this to you, if you eat right take your Vit D, Zinc, Tongkat ali, Boron and don't get the results your happy with, don't go wasting thousands of dollars a year like l did on a whole heap of different supplements, because the majority of stuff don't do shit.

Also, you dose boron at 3 or 6 mg daily?

I already take 5000 iu vitamin d3 and 30 mg zinc daily

 

[Highly ecto]

What changes did you make to your diet?

Most of my life l ate high carb, moderate protein, low fat. About 10 years a go l started having a lot of digestive issues, this went on for a few years before l got sick of the issues and l started eating carnivore. With in 6 months all my digestive issues were gone and my Test had more than doubled. l have been eating carnivore for more than 6 years. Carnivore is not going to suit most people because of how restrictive it is. Normally diets with plenty of protein, plenty of good fats, low to moderate amounts of carbs and minimal amounts of sugar or processed foods are good diets to build Test naturally.

Raising your test with tongkat, has it given you any issues with your estrogen levels? Are you taking anything to maybe help keep estrogen in check?

l have been taking Dim for a couple of years to control estrogen, but a guy here suggested using Boron intsead of Dim to control estrogen, so l am going to stop taking the Dim and just stick to the Boron.

 

[Highly ecto]

Also, you dose boron at 3 or 6 mg daily?

I already take 5000 iu vitamin d3 and 30 mg zinc daily

l used to take 9mg daily, but 6mg daily is normally enough. Your Vit d3 and zinc doses are good.
Can l ask you a couple of questions.
How old are you?
Are you looking at cycling gear on and off, or are you looking to stay natty?

 

[hghlover]

l used to take 9mg daily, but 6mg daily is normally enough. Your Vit d3 and zinc doses are good.
Can l ask you a couple of questions.
How old are you?
Are you looking at cycling gear on and off, or are you looking to stay natty?

Thanks. Im 34, never touched steroids, might eventually do TRT longterm but if tongkat etc can prevent it then i'll stay on that instead.

I do 4 iu HGH daily aswell, for injuries and anti aging

 

[Inspired]

What changes did you make to your diet?

Raising your test with tongkat, has it given you any issues with your estrogen levels? Are you taking anything to maybe help keep estrogen in check?

You better have an AI on hand like Arimidex. Tongkat can cause gyno if you have any sensitivity at all to gyno. It happened to me.

You are better off taking steroids than tongkat. But if you want to try, then Source Naturals (or any product with LJ100) works. You have to take double what the bottle says if you want to get big results. It gets expensive.

 

[hghlover]

Ok I didn't know that and how do I recognize that?

You better have an AI on hand like Arimidex. Tongkat can cause gyno if you have any sensitivity at all to gyno. It happened to me.

You are better off taking steroids than tongkat. But if you want to try, then Source Naturals (or any product with LJ100) works. You have to take double what the bottle says if you want to get big results. It gets expensive.

You think prolactin caused it? From what I can read tongkat actually lowers cortisol and estrogen but may raise prolactin