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You just brush aside Ukrainian military shooting thier own people for refusing to execute civilians and just go on posting bullshit propoganda
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Russia begins invasion of Ukraine
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Lmfao
You just brush aside Ukrainian military shooting thier own people for refusing to execute civilians and just go on posting bullshit propoganda
Yeah, I mean if you want to tell me the Ukrainians are as bad or worse than a bunch of Russian convicts who crack people's heads open with sledgehammers that's going to be a losing argument.
More importantly, I'm not sure why you'd even want to make that argument... Ukraine has been invaded, we are $113 billion into aiding them, and now it's a matter of who do you root for? The US, the West, democracy, respecting borders? Or Putin, his dictators, and Russian expansion? It's clear who to root for.
The problem is if Ukraine succeeds Biden succeeds, and for you that just can't happen. So yeah, go on and tell me about all the atrocities the Ukrainians committed after being invaded. Go on and join Putin's information warfare group, you and Putin having joint goals of trying to take down Biden
I just thought it was interesting that Russia used all these convicts as cannon fodder on a frontal attack in Bakhmut for 5 months. At one point Progozhin thought they'd succeed and started boasting about how Wagner does it better. But they needed Russian airborne forces to start encircling the city. That's the most interesting story of the battle.
Well no Ukrainians aren't being decimated. They have about 700k troops, 450k is the fighting element. Both sides want to claim Bakhmut is/was a meat grinder for the other - Russia saying their superior artillery grinds them up, Ukraine saying they are dug in and hidden and taking out the assailing Russians.Not going well at all for Ukraine.
Joe Biden needs to stop this now and get everyone at a negotiation table immediately.
The Ukrainian people are being decimated.
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But I'll point out that capturing a city like this, going block by block and building by building, is hard. US forces in Fallujah, Iraq actually had to give up and leave and come back a second time 4 months later. And they were not fighting a well equipped or trained force. And Russia is firing about 1/3rd the artillery they used to, with less accuracy than the Ukrainians.
General Bakshi of India gives a good breakdown of the current state of the war:
He says this is a symmetrical war, not an asymmetrical one, and that Russian artillery has not been superior to NATO equipment, and that we're locked in a stalemate with the advantage going to the defender.
When assaulting a defended area you need 3x as many attackers as defenders and you take heavy casualties. The Ukrainians will take heavy casualties while retreating though, that is to be expected. US advisors are saying now that you're withdrawing from Bakhmut you can start an offensive in an area that really matters.
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And here's a video of Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut firing their grenade launcher and taking out Russian troops, talking about the sizes and tactics of the forces they've been seeing, the dead Russian bodies lying all over:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA77b9vGCy4
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA77b9vGCy4
Yeah, I mean if you want to tell me the Ukrainians are as bad or worse than a bunch of Russian convicts who crack people's heads open with sledgehammers that's going to be a losing argument.
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More importantly, I'm not sure why you'd even want to make that argument... Ukraine has been invaded, we are $113 billion into aiding them, and now it's a matter of who do you root for? The US, the West, democracy, respecting borders? Or Putin, his dictators, and Russian expansion? It's clear who to root for.
The problem is if Ukraine succeeds Biden succeeds, and for you that just can't happen. So yeah, go on and tell me about all the atrocities the Ukrainians committed after being invaded. Go on and join Putin's information warfare group, you and Putin having joint goals of trying to take down Biden
I just thought it was interesting that Russia used all these convicts as cannon fodder on a frontal attack in Bakhmut for 5 months. At one point Progozhin thought they'd succeed and started boasting about how Wagner does it better. But they needed Russian airborne forces to start encircling the city. That's the most interesting story of the battle.
Ukrainian state run television calling for Concentration camps for ethnic Russian people
View: https://twitter.com/JohnEdgarCarter/status/1627231891345514498?t=98p_hRn2pWrvsUtpjaSsJQ&s=19
Not for ethnic people, for collaborators/traitors... and Russia has already been jailing war critics and forming "filtration camps"
What Are Putin’s ‘Filtration Camps’ And Why Are They Concerning?
Ten months of Putin’s war in Ukraine have seen a litany of atrocities including summary executions, unlawful confinement, torture, ill-treatment, rape and other sexual violence, forced displacement of people, removal of children, and illegal adoptions, among others.
www.forbes.com
Dude, I can't believe you're still cheering this shit on.
Ukraine is going to lose bakmut. Then all of Donbass.
It's just a matter of time and body counts.
It's time to negotiate an end to it
Not for ethnic people, for collaborators/traitors... and Russia has already been jailing war critics and forming "filtration camps"
What Are Putin’s ‘Filtration Camps’ And Why Are They Concerning?
Ten months of Putin’s war in Ukraine have seen a litany of atrocities including summary executions, unlawful confinement, torture, ill-treatment, rape and other sexual violence, forced displacement of people, removal of children, and illegal adoptions, among others.
So is zelensky
Zelensky closed TV stations jailed opposition leader That's democracy
Zelensky closed TV stations jailed opposition leader That's democracy
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I keep telling you there would be riots in Kiev if there was a peace agreement. We weren't so happy after we were attacked in Pearl Harbor and 9-11 either.
And also what you're failing to recognize is that Putin believes Ukraine and Belarus aren't real countries, that they should be unified, he said so in his essay:
On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia
Oh bullshit.
If it wasn't for Washington/NATO (same thing) there would have been peace.
Siding With Ukraine's Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky's Peace Mandate - scheerpost.com
Even worse, Washington has sabotaged any attempts at peace talks
How The U.S. (And UK) Sabotaged Peace In Ukraine
More Evidence That The West Sabotaged Peace In Ukraine
Listen to a reading of this article: ❖ Days after the war in Ukraine began it was reported by The New York Times that “President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine has asked the Israeli prime mini…
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I don't give a fuck about Putin's essay or Joe Bidens thesis. It has no bearing on anything at this point.
Nobody outside of a few wealthy arms dealers and globalist billionaire corporate interests want to keep the war going in Ukraine.
And there won't be any Ukrainian people left to fight anyway.
View: https://twitter.com/jens_randolff/status/1631344986494230528?t=8Kg1Oz2lejkxBXvg6Zslpg&s=19
Washington has spent thier lives and our money to enrich themselves and pursue thier own globalist ambition's
you keep saying we didn't do enough to prevent this invasion... if Russia isn't punished, what prevents the next invasion?On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
"Russia isn't punished" is a stupid comment.
"Punished" by who? And who is going to hold our own leadership accountable for their role in this? Or the lies they told in multiple other wars for profit?
The only people getting punished are the ukranian people and American taxpayers.
And it needs to stop immediately
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And not only did the Biden administration not do anything to try to prevent this war, Washington basically everything they could to provoke it.
And now they're sabotaging peace talks and energy pipelines to keep it going.
You won't get that through your ignorant ass thick skull. Washington wants this war. They wanted it all along. They want it to go on for as long as they can make it go on.
They're getting huge financial benifits for their corporate globalist handlers and lobbyists.
The corporate media is trying to sell you this war on behalf of the powerful in Washington. They're lying and conniving, just like they have in past wars.
The difference between you and I, aside from your stubborn ignorance, is that you see yourself as part of that element in Washington. So you parrot the bullshit. I don't think you even believe most of the bullshit you spew, you just have to express fealty to the order in charge. So you parrot the bullshit.
I know for a fact that the elements in Washington have as much contempt for me, and American people like me, as they do the Russians or anybody else they hate.
So I don't have to lie for them like you do
I don't have any fondness at all for Putin or Russia. I don't care about them or Ukraine.
Nobody in Russia is a threat to my freedom, rights and Liberty here at home. But Joe Biden and his corporate handler's damn sure are
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b8QRWPxWP0o
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That would be a good start. Then we have to figure out how to bring peace to people, primarily Ukranians, who will hate Russians for at least a couple generations.
The record shows they didn't want this war and did an awful lot to prevent it.
They declassified information:
Biden declassified intel about Russia's Ukraine invasion because allies didn't think it would actually happen, US spy chief says
Avril Haines said there was "a fair amount of skepticism" among US allies that Russia would invade, and Biden wanted to start planning.
www.businessinsider.com
They had a videoconference urging Putin not to do it:
Russia-US face-off: What should we expect in 2022?
The US and its European allies are pushing for diplomacy with Russia but a renewed conflict in Ukraine is still possible
No more ‘shuttle diplomacy’: Russia rebuffs West as mediator at Ukraine negotiations
Russia’s top diplomat went to say that "the EU fully proved its incompetence, when it failed to make good on what it had agreed on"
tass.com
Secretary of State Blinken warns of severe response if a single Russian force enters Ukraine in an aggressive way
"We've given Russia two paths. There's a path of diplomacy and dialogue... But there's also a path of its renewed aggression and massive consequences," Blinken said.
These are not things you do if you want this to happen. In the end there was nothing they could do other than give Ukraine (or chunks of Ukraine) to Russia.
You should, and it does. Putin wrote it after invading. It is included in the list of mandatory works to be studied by the Russian military. He says Ukraine, Belarus and Russia are one people, that Ukraine and Belarus are not real countries, that is all has historically been known as the "triune Russian nation", and that the only reason it's not unified is because of an "anti-Russia project" created by external forces.
If they did, so what? Russia doesn't have the ability to liquidify their natural gas for transport, so that pipeline was the only way to get it to Germany. But Russia had also said they were going to cut Germany off, and due to contractual obligations had a reason to blow it up as well. Germany and Europe did fine this winter without the pipeline, as they did before the pipeline.
Hersch is a good journalist but wouldn't divulge sources to anyone who would print it so he couldn't get anybody to print it, no one could verify it's authenticity. So he released it on his website.
How? Russia has just started an offensive they have no intention on stopping. 40 countries are sending Ukraine aid and Ukraine is too angry to stop fighting back, they have their own offensive planned, are getting tanks from Germany/UK/Poland. Even if aid stopped they still could fight for some time and the US Congress approved a $45 billion aid package over the winter with maybe $30 billion yet to send, most people support aid.
So it's not as easy as Biden snapping his fingers even if a certain someone wants to deflect all blame onto Biden. Like all wars this will need to be fought until both sides don't want to anymore. When Putin and Xi considers launching such invasions they do calculate what the Western response would be and if consequences would be worth it. Many argue our response was too weak in 2014 and wasn't enough to deter this invasion, and that this one needs to be stronger to prevent the next invasion.
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I do have to admit that I respect a people who most of us felt had a snowballs chance in hell of lasting one month fighting what was considered the 2nd strongest army on earth to a standstill.
The great Russian army wasn't so great. It will survive by nuclear blackmail only.
The great Russian army wasn't so great. It will survive by nuclear blackmail only.
That aid will allow Ukraine to continue fighting.
The question is how do we get past a man who knows he has a gun to his head and most likely will face the same outcome as Muammar Gaddafi if he fails.
Shakespeare writes about how tyrants end up in a cage. Yale history Professor Snyder talks about how dictators always fall from power eventually and we shouldn't worry too much about it:
View: https://youtu.be/um-SEQDQidM?t=3361
He also says the quickest way to end this war is to send Ukraine enough aid to allow them to win quickly.
Yeltsin chose Putin to be his successor specifically because Putin assured his safety and that of his family, and Yeltsin felt Putin would take his advice. He did later regret choosing Putin but the point is Putin may do the same.
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Putin has the blood of several hundred thousand people on his hands. Not only that, the greatest humiliation that Russia has witnessed since the early days of the second world war.
There will be no sympathy for a loser of this magnitude. He realizes that.
I think he is much more likely to introduce nuclear weapons into this conflict.
Russians like to think of themselves as the saviors of europe and beating Ghengis Khan, Napoleon and Hitler but they forget that the Japanese absolutely kicked asses and humiliated them in 1905.
And yeah when Russian dictators lose they go away. Even if they win they can't take these kind of sanctions for more than a few years. A lot of people worry about nukes, General Bakshi of India included.
View: https://youtu.be/1hXJBKB_EAE?t=2775
However this wasn't going to end in the Donbas and you can't give in to nuclear blackmail.
Is making the planet uninhabitable the answer in any possible scenario?
I don't think Ukraine can defeat Russia if Russia goes all in, which it will, and it will by any means necessary.
I'm no expert on Ukraine, but if there are parts of Ukraine that would rather be Russia, I think there are ways to find out and let the people there decide.
I don't think Ukraine can defeat Russia if Russia goes all in, which it will, and it will by any means necessary.
I'm no expert on Ukraine, but if there are parts of Ukraine that would rather be Russia, I think there are ways to find out and let the people there decide.
