Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[hometeam]

Another lie.

Zekensky would be hung by his Nazi militia and Washington agents if he offered any peace deals to Russia.

Stop lying like a sack of excrement

But he never did it....

He absolutely did. You've got to remember Russia invaded in February and everybody, including Ukrainians themselves, thought they would get steamrolled. They didn't retreat from Kiev until April 2nd, and congress didn't approve the $40 billion in aid until May 21 and Ukraine really didn't get it until June.

So there was a period of February to late May where Ukraine (and Washington) was negotiating hard for an end to this, offered Putin everything he wanted, and Putin wouldn't hear it:
"Security guarantees and the neutral, non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to accept this. This is the most important point," Zelensky said. "This was the first point of principle for the Russian Federation, as I recall. And as far as I remember, they started the war because of this." He rejected even discussing Russia's demands that Ukraine be "de-Nazified" or demilitarized," and said "the issues of Donbas and Crimea must be discussed and solved" in peace talks.

Zelensky offers a neutral Ukraine for Russian withdrawal, but there are some big caveats

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Then Ukraine mobilized to 700k troops, was sent $40 billion in aid (including artillery and HIMARS) and suddenly Putin wanted to negotiate but Zelensky wouldn't hear it - especially after news of massacres/atrocities and after bombing Ukraine's civilian infrastructure.

Now Putin has mobilized too and gone all in, started a new offensive, and he doesn't want negotiations yet either. So there's been some swings back and forth depending on who had the upper hand and by how much.

 

[hometeam]

They've said so themselves you stupid wretch

Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War with Russia - Global Research

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You do realize the US wasn't even there for those Minsk peace negotiations, right? They weren't even a part of it.

It was the leaders of Belarus, Russia, Germany, France, and Ukraine.

And it was mostly the Ukrainians making an offer to Putin, he would leave and go somewhere secret (said his people were getting on the phone with the militia leaders) and then he would come back and say yes or no, but some doubt he was even calling the militias.

And they never would have had those negotiations if Obama hadn't decided not to give Ukraine the weapons they needed to beat the Russian armed militias, fearing it would provoke Putin and start an arms race in Ukraine.

 

[hometeam]

Something I think is funny is Russia keeps claiming they're taking out these HIMARS launchers, and if you add up all they've claimed they've destroyed over the months it's more than we've given Ukraine.

It turns out Ukraine has been given all these inflatable HIMARS targets:


Wooden HIMARS and NASAMS too:

inflatable tanks:

Apparently they haven't destroyed any real HIMARS:

Russia has failed to destroy a single HIMARS launcher to date, but Ukraine still needs more artillery: report

No weapon system has had as big an impact on the fighting in Ukraine as the HIMARS — especially given Russia's inability to level the playing field.

www.businessinsider.com

at least that's what they say.

 

[Hughinn]

Well I'll quote Yale Economic Professor Sonnenfeld:

View: https://youtu.be/QU0resswOds?t=1231

"Russia's economy, people used to say is smaller than Italy, it's of course smaller than Chile now. And that's not to disparage the character of Italy or Chile, they just don't go around with Putin's swaggar suggesting they're some big tough neighborhood bully." -Sonnenfeld

He alludes to the greater problem, as Former Director of Russian Affair Thomas Graham says:
"I don’t think you can exaggerate the extent to which, in the Russian mind, being a great power is a central element of Russian national identity." -Graham

Thomas Graham | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

Thomas Graham on Trump, Putin and Russian election interference – as told to FRONTLINE during our reporting for “Putin’s Revenge.” Explore the full, on-the-record interview.

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Except for their Soviet era nuclear stockpile they are no longer a superpower, but they still think of themselves as these great, powerful people. They are still the saviors of Europe who fought off Napoleon and Hitler. But their economy is the size of Chile's.

I think you've fallen a bit too much for their narcissistic propaganda.

Lmfao at the stupid bitch first thing this morning

@hometeam stupid bitch yesterday

Admits "sonnefileld can't know about the state of the Russian economy, because Russia doesn't give out numbers on its economy"

Stupid bitch @hometeam later that day
"Let's quote sonnefileld on the true state of the Russian economy"


What an idiot.

 

[Hughinn]

No you're mistaken. The top 5 semiconductor countries are:
1. Taiwan
2. South Korea
3. Japan
4. China
5. United Staes

World’s Top Semiconductor Producers | ShipHub

Asian countries dominate semiconductor (integrated circuit) manufacturing. What are the world’s top semiconductor producers?

www.shiphub.co

Now, integrated circuits are a little different. China and Hong Kong lead the way followed by Taiwan, South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia and the US.

List of countries by integrated circuit exports - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Of course you need chips to make integrated circuits, so it's a bit complicated.

But Russia isn't a totally self reliant arms maker and China can't make up the difference. For instance a captured T-90M tank (their most modern one) had a Thales thermal imaging sight from France:

Captured Russian tank 'stuffed with French tech', Ukrainian MP claims

A BRAND new Russian tank captured by the Ukrainians was stuffed with a French firm’s technology, it was claimed last night Ukrainian forces seized the state-of-the-art T-90 Vladimir at the en…

www.thesun.co.uk

Military grade GPS guidance (like on the HIMARS) is something easier to get in the West too. Russian fighter jet pilots have had to tape crude GPS devices onto their cockpits:

Lmfao...

"Russia can't make rockets because they can't get the electronics necessary for making them"

Except for at least two of two of top five makers of said electronics told Joe Biden to stuff his sanctions up his ass and are trading record numbers with Russia

 

[Hughinn]

You do realize the US wasn't even there for those Minsk peace negotiations, right? They weren't even a part of it.

It was the leaders of Belarus, Russia, Germany, France, and Ukraine.

And it was mostly the Ukrainians making an offer to Putin, he would leave and go somewhere secret (said his people were getting on the phone with the militia leaders) and then he would come back and say yes or no, but some doubt he was even calling the militias.

And they never would have had those negotiations if Obama hadn't decided not to give Ukraine the weapons they needed to beat the Russian armed militias, fearing it would provoke Putin and start an arms race in Ukraine.

In other words, by their own admission, nobody making the Minsk offers to Russia had any intention of following them.

You're a stupid dishonest person. You try to deceptively hide the real point in copy and paste bullshit

 

[Hughinn]

Something I think is funny is Russia keeps claiming they're taking out these HIMARS launchers, and if you add up all they've claimed they've destroyed over the months it's more than we've given Ukraine.

It turns out Ukraine has been given all these inflatable HIMARS targets:
View attachment 254472

Wooden HIMARS and NASAMS too:

inflatable tanks:

Apparently they haven't destroyed any real HIMARS:

Russia has failed to destroy a single HIMARS launcher to date, but Ukraine still needs more artillery: report

No weapon system has had as big an impact on the fighting in Ukraine as the HIMARS — especially given Russia's inability to level the playing field.

www.businessinsider.com

at least that's what they say.

You keep on talking the same stupid bullshit and posting propoganda from the same small circle of morons in Washington.

But even the dumbest of observers looking at the situation can see that the NATO arsenal supplied to Ukraine is not changing the fact that Ukraine is losing.

No more infusions of Americans taxpayers money and NATO weapons are going to save Ukraine. Only a peace brokerage will.

And that's what Washington doesn't want.

 

[hometeam]

Lmfao at the stupid bitch first thing this morning

@hometeam stupid bitch yesterday

Admits "sonnefileld can't know about the state of the Russian economy, because Russia doesn't give out numbers on its economy"

Stupid bitch @hometeam later that day
"Let's quote sonnefileld on the true state of the Russian economy"


What an idiot.

Russia started withholding their economic data in Q2 2022; up until then Sonnenfeld and anyone else could tell the state of their economy. It's not like it's grown since then. It's the size of Chile... if you want to be generous we can say Italy.

Lmfao...

"Russia can't make rockets because they can't get the electronics necessary for making them"

Except for at least two of two of top five makers of said electronics told Joe Biden to stuff his sanctions up his ass and are trading record numbers with Russia

When 3 of the top 5 producing countries have stopped trading with you and there's a global shortage to begin with, that's a problem. And anybody with a computer knows you can't just swap out an Intel chip for an AMD one without some serious workarounds - new motherboard, maybe changes to the software, etc.

Seriously, Russia is having difficulties making anything more complex than an artillery shell right now. They've got mounds of washing machines torn apart. This is what an Iskander missile motherboard looks like, notice the TX state symbol on the chips:

In other words, by their own admission, nobody making the Minsk offers to Russia had any intention of following them.

You're a stupid dishonest person. You try to deceptively hide the real point in copy and paste bullshit

No, you're putting words in my mouth, and Merkel's mouth too to be frank. Merkel was pushing Obama not to arm Ukraine because she wanted to negotiate peace agreements and she's someone Putin respects and trust. Obama agreed because he wanted a united NATO/EU on sanctions rather than go it alone with an arms race in Ukraine.

If Merkel says the Ukrainians were just buying time, I don't doubt it. But notice she isn't blaming Washington - you are, you're the only one, and you're being very deceptive/dishonest about it. If Ukraine didn't want to give up on taking their territories back and needed to buy time, there's nothing wrong with that. But there was no reason for Washington to tell them to end the peace and try and take their territory back - remember, Washington wasn't going to give them enough arms to win and didn't want escalation from Russia.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken talks about this here:
"… What made the most sense was not to get into a military tit-for-tat (with Russia) that spiraled up but rather to go at the soft underbelly, which was Russia’s economy. At the end of the day, that’s where President Obama came out. I think Europeans, including [German] Chancellor [Angela] Merkel, thought that that was the best direction to go in, but it was an ongoing argument within the administration." -Blinken

Antony Blinken | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

Former Obama adviser Antony Blinken on Trump, Putin and Russian election interference – as told to FRONTLINE during our reporting for “Putin’s Revenge.” Read, watch and explore the full, on-the-record interview.

www.pbs.org

Sorry to burst your anti-Washington/anti-Biden bubble but this wasn't on them.

 

[Hughinn]

Russia started withholding their economic data in Q2 2022; up until then Sonnenfeld and anyone else could tell the state of their economy. It's not like it's grown since then. It's the size of Chile... if you want to be generous we can say Italy.


When 3 of the top 5 producing countries have stopped trading with you and there's a global shortage to begin with, that's a problem. And anybody with a computer knows you can't just swap out an Intel chip for an AMD one without some serious workarounds - new motherboard, maybe changes to the software, etc.

Seriously, Russia is having difficulties making anything more complex than an artillery shell right now. They've got mounds of washing machines torn apart. This is what an Iskander missile motherboard looks like, notice the TX state symbol on the chips:

No, you're putting words in my mouth, and Merkel's mouth too to be frank. Merkel was pushing Obama not to arm Ukraine because she wanted to negotiate peace agreements and she's someone Putin respects and trust. Obama agreed because he wanted a united NATO/EU on sanctions rather than go it alone with an arms race in Ukraine.

If Merkel says the Ukrainians were just buying time, I don't doubt it. But notice she isn't blaming Washington - you are, you're the only one, and you're being very deceptive/dishonest about it. If Ukraine didn't want to give up on taking their territories back and needed to buy time, there's nothing wrong with that. But there was no reason for Washington to tell them to end the peace and try and take their territory back - remember, Washington wasn't going to give them enough arms to win and didn't want escalation from Russia.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken talks about this here:
"… What made the most sense was not to get into a military tit-for-tat (with Russia) that spiraled up but rather to go at the soft underbelly, which was Russia’s economy. At the end of the day, that’s where President Obama came out. I think Europeans, including [German] Chancellor [Angela] Merkel, thought that that was the best direction to go in, but it was an ongoing argument within the administration." -Blinken

Antony Blinken | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

Former Obama adviser Antony Blinken on Trump, Putin and Russian election interference – as told to FRONTLINE during our reporting for “Putin’s Revenge.” Read, watch and explore the full, on-the-record interview.

www.pbs.org

Sorry to burst your anti-Washington/anti-Biden bubble but this wasn't on them.

Hahaha

More bullshit propoganda without a shred of sense in any of it.

Anti Washington you say?

While you cheer for these idiots destroying our country, Washington alienates allies, provokes conflicts, and promotes color revolutions abroad

All while China quietly emerges as *the* superpower advocating peace-centric diplomacy worldwide. This is a huge story and it’s drowned out by idiots like yourself who only parrot propoganda

The Ephemeral and the Historic - Chronicles

Again, you copy and paste all the bullshit propoganda you want.

It doesn't change anything

The Biden administration spent the past two years posturing and trying to bully Iran, while begging Saudi Arabia to produce more oil to balance out it's stupid sanctions against Russia.

While China once again brokered peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia

China Just Brokered a Historic Saudi Arabia-Iran Truce. Can It Do Russia-Ukraine Next?

All you've got is a bunch of horseshit propoganda all written by the same small circle of morons in Washington.

The world is not Washington. And Washington doesn't rule the world anymore

That's a truth your just going to have to eat like a shit sandwich without bread. Because your leaders you shill for have done this to themselves.

They're not smart people. Neither are you. I hope you go down with them when the world turns on you both

 

[Fautquejyaille]

Russia started withholding their economic data in Q2 2022; up until then Sonnenfeld and anyone else could tell the state of their economy. It's not like it's grown since then. It's the size of Chile... if you want to be generous we can say Italy.


When 3 of the top 5 producing countries have stopped trading with you and there's a global shortage to begin with, that's a problem. And anybody with a computer knows you can't just swap out an Intel chip for an AMD one without some serious workarounds - new motherboard, maybe changes to the software, etc.

Seriously, Russia is having difficulties making anything more complex than an artillery shell right now. They've got mounds of washing machines torn apart. This is what an Iskander missile motherboard looks like, notice the TX state symbol on the chips:

No, you're putting words in my mouth, and Merkel's mouth too to be frank. Merkel was pushing Obama not to arm Ukraine because she wanted to negotiate peace agreements and she's someone Putin respects and trust. Obama agreed because he wanted a united NATO/EU on sanctions rather than go it alone with an arms race in Ukraine.

If Merkel says the Ukrainians were just buying time, I don't doubt it. But notice she isn't blaming Washington - you are, you're the only one, and you're being very deceptive/dishonest about it. If Ukraine didn't want to give up on taking their territories back and needed to buy time, there's nothing wrong with that. But there was no reason for Washington to tell them to end the peace and try and take their territory back - remember, Washington wasn't going to give them enough arms to win and didn't want escalation from Russia.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken talks about this here:
"… What made the most sense was not to get into a military tit-for-tat (with Russia) that spiraled up but rather to go at the soft underbelly, which was Russia’s economy. At the end of the day, that’s where President Obama came out. I think Europeans, including [German] Chancellor [Angela] Merkel, thought that that was the best direction to go in, but it was an ongoing argument within the administration." -Blinken

Antony Blinken | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

Former Obama adviser Antony Blinken on Trump, Putin and Russian election interference – as told to FRONTLINE during our reporting for “Putin’s Revenge.” Read, watch and explore the full, on-the-record interview.

www.pbs.org

Sorry to burst your anti-Washington/anti-Biden bubble but this wasn't on them.

Stop your propaganda little dick

 

[Hughinn]

And since you're so certain Russia's economy is crashing because of some idiot propagandist in Washington says so, just look at the numbers here in Russian trading with key economies since the sanctions.

Ukraine war: What support is China giving Russia?

Lmfao

It looks like despite what your propoganda networks say, the Russian economy is doing just fine.

 

[Hughinn]

Stop your propaganda little dick

Nothing he posts is of any real significance.

It's all basically copy and paste press releases from the Washington press corps.

Nobody with any sense here buys his bullshit. Even the leftist leaning blue state people here don't buy it.

They may not agree with me in principle. But they're not buying his BS

 

[hometeam]

And since you're so certain Russia's economy is crashing because of some idiot propagandist in Washington says so, just look at the numbers here in Russian trading with key economies since the sanctions.

Ukraine war: What support is China giving Russia?

Lmfao

It looks like despite what your propoganda networks say, the Russian economy is doing just fine.

Geopolitics Professor and former Finland PM Alexander Stubb talked about this here 11 months ago and it still holds true today:

View: https://youtu.be/F1A8gUjmn-Q?t=451

"China is worried about 2 things: 1 is it's reputation, and it could actually like to be seen as some kind of peace mediator here, but 2 it is seriously worried about secondary sanctions coming from the US or especially from Europe.

And the figures we look at are quite simple: business and investment in Europe is 750 billion Euros for China. Business with Russia is only 80 billion. And to be honest, 30 years ago the Russian economy and Chinese economy were of equal size, now China's economy is over 10 times bigger... China will not throw out the belt and road intiative, one of the biggest economic initiative we've seen in recent times, by risking it with sanctions." -Stubb

And if you look at the graphs from your link it just reinforces what Stubb says:

 

[Hughinn]

Geopolitics Professor and former Finland PM Alexander Stubb talked about this here 11 months ago and it still holds true today:

View: https://youtu.be/F1A8gUjmn-Q?t=451

"China is worried about 2 things: 1 is it's reputation, and it could actually like to be seen as some kind of peace mediator here, but 2 it is seriously worried about secondary sanctions coming from the US or especially from Europe.

And the figures we look at are quite simple: business and investment in Europe is 750 billion Euros for China. Business with Russia is only 80 billion. And to be honest, 30 years ago the Russian economy and Chinese economy were of equal size, now China's economy is over 10 times bigger... China will not throw out the belt and road intiative, one of the biggest economic initiative we've seen in recent times, by risking it with sanctions." -Stubb

And if you look at the graphs from your link it just reinforces what Stubb says:

In other words, China and others have replaced most of what Russia lost with Washington's sanctions.

And the one belt one road initiative is exactly why China wants peace in Iran and Ukraine. Because part of it goes through both countries you ignorant fuk.

And it's also part of the reason Washington wants war in Ukraine.

Because most of China's commerce goes by sea and can be bullied by Washington.

They get that road, all that changes.

So Washington wants war. Not peace like you lied and suggested

You're one stupid bastard. You contradict yourself and prove your own bullshit wrong over and over

 

[Hughinn]

Can you post anything except Whitehouse press release propoganda @hometeam ?

It's like you're a drone or a bot that simply goes to Bidenadministration.gov or something and searches a topic, then you just copy and paste whatever you find here.

It's pathetic.

I doubt you've even read half the bullshit you posted because half of it contradicts the other half and the parts that don't, shoot your own narrative in the ass

 

[hometeam]

In other words, China and others have replaced most of what Russia lost with Washington's sanctions.

Maybe, Russia isn't sharing that data. I'm not going to make a claim I can't prove like you are.

But as Yale Economic Professor Sonnenfed says, there's more to the story here:

View: https://youtu.be/QU0resswOds?t=1248

"In fact 2/3rds of Russia's economy was coming from the energy business. We now know that nobody needs Russia's gas. 86% of Europe's gas this time last year was coming from Russia. Now it's less than 7%, it could go to 0 and it would be inconsequential." -Sonnenfeld
The price of crude oil and natural gas is lower now in Europe than before the war. Diesel is about the same.

At 24:00
"The US/EU/G7 have put a price cap of $60/barrel, because that's where Russia is just above break-even."
And he says at 09:50:
"We wish India and China would buy more Russian oil! Why? Because the price they are paying for the oil is so low that Russia is losing money on every gallon right now. It cost Russia $45 a barrel to extract it from the ground and another $10-$12 to ship it to India or China"-Sonnenfeld
So to produce and ship the oil it costs Russia $55-$57/barrel and the EU/G7 price cap is $60. And China and India are buying it at a discount below EU rates, they have no reason to pay more. It costs the Saudis $22/barrel to produce it because of more modern/efficient technology.

And he says at 23:15
"Russia's natural gas is only available in vapor form, so when Putin says he'll sell it to China and India, he can't! Asia doesn't have the network of pipelines needed to transport it. It would take them 6 years to build it and they haven't started on that."

So in summary, energy has been 2/3rds of Russia's economy. Europe is learning they don't need Russia's natural gas, and is buying a lot less of their oil at just above break-even cost. Same goes for Australia, Japan, etc. India and China can't get their natural gas because of no pipelines, and is buying their oil at a discount for lower than it costs Russia to produce it.

So how Russia's economy hasn't tanked is anyone's guess.

Can you post anything except Whitehouse press release propoganda @hometeam ?

Sonnenfeld doesn't live in Washington, has never held a position in Washington, never advised anyone in Washington, and doesn't appear to have any friends/connections in Washington. You won't see the Whitehouse quoting him. So, this is another one of your fantasies/conspiracies.

He has led the charge to publicly shame some of these companies who haven't pulled out of Russia and praise those who do; this publicity has helped or hurt some of their bottom lines. And I think when Putin comes out and says "Don't worry everybody, our economy is fine," Sonnenfeld is like "Wait a second, you're not sharing your data anymore so how do we know? And you're selling your oil for break-even or a loss, not selling natural gas anymore, auto industry is down 99%, you can't buy a ruble anywhere, 1000 companies have pulled out Russia..."

 

[Hughinn]

Maybe, Russia isn't sharing that data. I'm not going to make a claim I can't prove like you are.

But as Yale Economic Professor Sonnenfed says, there's more to the story here:

View: https://youtu.be/QU0resswOds?t=1248

"In fact 2/3rds of Russia's economy was coming from the energy business. We now know that nobody needs Russia's gas. 86% of Europe's gas this time last year was coming from Russia. Now it's less than 7%, it could go to 0 and it would be inconsequential." -Sonnenfeld
The price of crude oil and natural gas is lower now in Europe than before the war. Diesel is about the same.

At 24:00
"The US/EU/G7 have put a price cap of $60/barrel, because that's where Russia is just above break-even."
And he says at 09:50:
"We wish they'd buy more Russian oil! Why? Because the price they are paying for the oil is so low that Russia is losing money on every gallon right now. It cost Russia $45 a barrel to extract it from the ground and another $10-$12 to ship it to India or China"-Sonnenfeld
And China and India are buying it at a discount below EU rates. It costs the Saudis $22/barrel to produce it because of more modern technology.

And he says at 23:15
"Russia's natural gas is only available in vapor form, so when Putin says he'll sell it to China and India, he can't! Asia doesn't have the network of pipelines needed to transport it. It would take them 6 years to build it and they haven't started on that."

So in summary, energy has been 2/3rds of Russia's economy. Europe is learning they don't need their natural gas, and is buying a lot less of their oil at just above break-even cost. India and China can't get their natural gas because of no pipelines, and is buying their oil at a discount for lower than it costs Russia to produce it.

So how Russia's economy hasn't tanked is anyone's guess.


Sonnenfeld doesn't live in Washington, has never held a position in Washington, never advised anyone in Washington, and doesn't appear to have any friends/connections in Washington. So, this is another one of your fantasies/conspiracies.

He has led the charge to publicly shame some of these companies who haven't pulled out of Russia and praise those who do; this publicity has helped or hurt some of their bottom lines. And I think when Putin comes out and says "Don't worry everybody, our economy is fine," Sonnenfeld is like "Wait a second, you're not sharing your data anymore so how do we know? And you're selling your oil for break-even or a loss, not selling natural gas anymore, auto industry is down 99%, 1000 companies have pulled out..."

In other words, son doesn't know anymore than the rest of us about the Russian economy.

We've been over that already dumbfukk.

Why do you mindlessly keep posting that bullshit when it proves nothing and adds nothing to the debate ?

And son might not live in Washington, but he's part of the same tiny circle of people you consistently quote and reference that all say exactly the same thing. And that is whatever the Washington beltway narrative is at the moment.

Why don't you try saying something original? Something you thought of. Not some bullshit like "well so and so of the distinguished Washington clique fellow says...and I quote...(cue the propoganda).

Those idiots turn everything they touch into shit. So only an idiot would still listen to them.

Look, the subject of this thread is the war in Ukraine. And let's just examine a couple of things we know. And then you comment directly without copy and paste some bullshit propoganda you get off some beltway press release okay?

First, we know Russia obviously made some miscalculation at the start. We know that set a narrative. But that narrative is not the truth on the ground today. Admit that

Second, we know that Ukraine and all of NATO cannot win this war in totality. They cannot drive Russia out of all of Ukraine. They can't do it. Admit that

Third, Washington controls Ukraine. Stop your lying and bullshitting. Zekensky would do or say nothing without consulting Washington. Admit that.

Then we move on

 

[hometeam]

In other words, son doesn't know anymore than the rest of us about the Russian economy.

But we do know that 2/3rds of Russia's economy has been energy, which is now being sold a lot less in Europe/G7 at just above break-even, and for a loss in Asia.

So call me and Yale Professor Sonnenfeld dumb fukks and we don't know shit all you want, but that's a very important point that you just can't gloss over.

And son might not live in Washington, but he's part of the same tiny circle of people you consistently quote and reference that all say exactly the same thing. And that is whatever the Washington beltway narrative is at the moment.

He's not. You have no evidence of that other than the wheels turning in your head with a screw loose. Sometimes, when everybody is saying the same thing it's actually the truth.

 

[hometeam]

Why don't you try saying something original? Something you thought of. Not some bullshit like "well so and so of the distinguished Washington clique fellow says...and I quote...(cue the propoganda).

I have said my personal thoughts and beliefs sometimes, and I clearly state when I'm doing that. But what you and I personally think on economics is not as important as what a Yale economics professor (Sonnenfeld) thinks, same goes for what a geopolitics professor at the European University Institute (Stubb) thinks about geopolitics. What you and I pull out of our asses about what we think is going on is not as important as evidence-based facts you can look up.

And when you just throw out all these fantasies and conspiracies you can't prove just because you think your world view is as good as reality, no one can take you seriously.

 

[Hughinn]

But we do know that 2/3rds of Russia's economy has been energy, which is now being sold at just above break-even in Europe and for a loss in Asia.

Except you're being stupid again.

Your yale professor said that, while at the same time admitting he doesn't know because Russia doesn't disclose that to anybody, and neither do their trading partners.

Both Russia and it's trading partners along with several other strong rising economies told Joe Biden to shove his sanctions up his ass.
That much we know.

Stop pretending like we know anymore than that.

So call me and Yale Professor Sonnenfeld dumb fukks and we don't know shit all you want, but that's a very important point that you just can't gloss over.

The only meaningful point is that your professor, nor you or I really know what Russia is trading for and what the economic situation really is.
We don't know.

We do know they've got weapons and munitions manufacturing capacity that easily exceeds our own and all of NATO.

And as a man that has made a living in industrial manufacturing, including ordinance, munitions and equipment, that pretty fuckin impressive....all bullshit aside.

That's an enormous amount of industry there bud. I mean one hell of alot. That's not a tiny struggling manufacturing base. That's literally hundreds of manufacturing facilities with hundreds of billions of dollars worth of specialized machinery and hundreds of thousands of workers they must have somewhere that your lying ass sources obviously don't know shit about. That's facts there. Concrete facts. I know personally what it takes to produce what they're producing and it's flat out impressive.

Not only are they making this military stuff, but they're also producing massive amounts of energy.

Listen bitch, Louisiana and Texas oil fields have also produced alot of energy, but never close to this scale.

We're talking about hundreds of thousands of workers and massive processing facilities that have to rival the Gulf Coast. And bitch, I've made my living on the Gulf Coast.

Be fair here. We know that by the facts on the ground

Whatever is going on in Russia is not some nickel and dime bullshit.

Admit that, or admit your too ignorant to debate this and save me some time

He's not. You have no evidence of that other than the wheels turning in your head with a screw loose.

What the fuck are you talking about?