Russia begins invasion of Ukraine

[Hughinn]

No he's not. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of who the players are here and you can't ever admit when you're wrong, no matter how ridiculous the explanation gets to be.

He's old school Russian, tried and true. It's his Russian forces fighting in Bakhmut, for crying out loud. And he's a key player in the Russian system of anti-globalist corporate interests. He spent a decade in prison for robbery, runs his companies like a mob boss, owes his success to Putin.


Anyone who has been to a Super Bowl knows a city can hold more than it's regular population. But the Ukrainians aren't just in the city, Zelensky sent a lot of reinforcements to keep the Russians from surrounding Bakhmut and keep the supply road going into it open:
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You're welcome for informing you, btw. I know you're just going to be ungrateful and tell me this is wrong with no evidence whatsoever to back it up (because evidence is just copy and paste bs propaganda, right?) but you're welcome.

Your scare tactics you got from a Russian troll factory about Ukraine running out of soldiers was just Russian lies and propaganda, nothing more. And you were gullible enough to believe it for months even though everyone told you that you were wrong. You don't need to be scared anymore or try to scare others.

Scare tactics?

What a stupid bitch you are.

Ukraine has lost easily hundreds of thousands of people in this and thousands more daily are dying you idiot.

These are human beings you despicable cunt, not units coming off an assembly line somewhere. There's only so many ukranian people left. You might be perfectly happy cheering on the slaughter of the entire ukranian people to the last man just like Joe Biden is, but I'm not.

Ukraine has nothing left. NATO arsenals and mercenaries are also severely depleted.

You're talking stupid bullshit. There's no "massive ukranian offensive" coming, because there's no ukranian people left to enlist.

Ukraine has already lost its best soldiers, an entire generation of the best young ukranian men died to enrich Washington DC. What a fukkin tragedy. You should be ashamed

Russia is losing prisoners, convicts and criminals and mercenaries.

Ukraine has lost its future and it's best and brightest people because Washington wanted war in Ukraine with Russia. How sad

And where are those refugee numbers you keep dodging and deflecting away from?

How many refugees have fled Ukraine for Russia since the US state department coup in 2014?

Your words, not mine.
And these words come straight from the Kremlin:
"We don’t need unterukraine. We need Big Great Russia... Ukraine will disappear"
View: https://twitter.com/MedvedevRussiaE/status/1644669039095037953

Informing what?

You're parroting obvious bullshit.

80,000 soldiers takes an enormous amount of food and supplies.

You're propoganda map is stupid. Even ukranian media, with all the lies and garbage it's pumping out admits that Russia controls all access in and out of bakmut.

There's literally one muddy road the Russian forces for whatever reason has left open, and they simply destroy any armored vehicles or supplies going in on that road.

80k starving ukranian soldiers hunkered down in some invisible bunker prepared to take back the city is pure fantasyland bullshit.

The poor unfortunate people zelensky has snatched up off the streets and thrown into that meat grinder are likely few and sitting between a rock and a hard place. Probably hungry, cold and under constant artillery shelling.

That's not a "heroic force of ukranian soldiers waiting for the offensive to start". It's a battered and bloody, starving and destitute group of people hanging on for thier lives, just praying against all odds they'll survive and somebody will come to their senses and end this shit.

"We’re losing people with two university diplomas each, they’re losing their trash with three convictions each,” sighs Matiash - ukranian commander

In battle for Bakhmut, deaths mount for Russia and Ukraine

The grim toll of the battle for Bakhmut is not lost on Alexander Matiash, who speaks slowly and with exhaustion after weeks of intense fighting around Chasiv

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[hometeam]

You're propoganda map is stupid. Even ukranian media, with all the lies and garbage it's pumping out admits that Russia controls all access in and out of bakmut.

There's literally one muddy road the Russian forces for whatever reason has left open, and they simply destroy any armored vehicles or supplies going in on that road.

80k starving ukranian soldiers hunkered down in some invisible bunker prepared to take back the city is pure fantasyland bullshit.

You mean this road you can clearly watch them recently driving up and down?
View: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1312155032681624/?s=single_unit%3B
View: https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1639552215227543552

Or this Ukrainian media that says exactly what you said it doesn't?
“If there comes a moment of even hotter events and the danger that we may lose personnel due to an encirclement, there will certainly be appropriate decisions taken by the general on the spot," Zelensky said.

If Bakhmut Falls - Will the West Abandon Ukraine?

Does Ukraine’s ability to hold on to Bakhmut signify more than just military success or failure? What the Experts Say.

www.kyivpost.com

"Russian forces do not have the degree of fire control over Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and likely other areas of the front that Russian milbloggers claim, further undermining the Russian effort to take Bakhmut. Recent footage shows that Ukrainian forces remain able to drive on the Bakhmut-Chasiv Yar and Bakhmut-Khromove roads despite Russian artillery targeting the Ukrainian vehicles.[26] Russian milbloggers likely based their fire control claims on Russian artillery system ranges, but even Russian ground advances close to these GLOCs have failed to prevent Ukrainian vehicles from using them at least on a small scale. Geolocated footage posted on March 25 shows that Wagner Group forces have crossed the T0504 but remain unable to establish sustained positions that would cut the GLOC.[27]" -ISW

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 25, 2023

Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the predictable next information operation to discourage Ukrainian resistance and disrupt Western support for Ukraine as Russian offensives culminate and Ukraine prepares to launch counter-offensives in an interview with a state-owned Russian news...

www.understandingwar.org

Cut the bullshit here.

Putin is not entirely wrong. Slavic people whether they be Russian or Ukrainian have no discernable genetic markers.

That's what he's saying

You know how many times genetics comes up in Putin's essay on Ukraine? I'll give you a guess. Or you can actually read it:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

www.en.kremlin.ru

And you're telling me to cut the bullshit? I mean, here I am posting a factual document coming right from the President of Russia about what he thinks of Ukraine and you're straight up making things up about genetics.

You know for a fact he doesn't see Ukraine as a real country, sees it as part of Russia, and Ukrainians aren't a people; you just don't want to admit it for some reason. It's right there in black and white print. Anyone can click on it, read it, and see you're full of shit. Do you get some kind of pleasure out of denying what is right in front of your nose? Does denying the truth get you off somehow?

Scare tactics?

"Except the (Ukrainians are) running out of soldiers.
Washington cannot get another half million rural American white boys to send off to slaughter."
"And Washington? Well, they're running out of Ukranian bodies. Now the arklatex and Appalachian American people are not going to produce another 100k white country boys to go enforce their demands on an unwilling world anymore."
"Then Washington will have to send American troops to die for their money laundering operation or else try to convince European countries to enter the war."
"Washington is running out of Ukranians, so who's next on thier expandables list ass wipe?"
"He's perfectly willing to spend the lives of working class Ukrainian people to advance the interests of Washington DC/NATO. He's also perfectly willing to expend the lives of the "deplorable" Americans he hates to get what benifits him."
"And there's no way Joe Biden is going to send 50k, 60k, 200k American soldiers off to die in the meat grinder of Ukraine.
Washingtons entire military probably couldn't produce 75k combat prepared infantry soldiers across it's entire armed forces.
It's been chasing around little brown men wearing bed sheets and riding camels for the past thirty years."
- @Hughinn

Ukraine has nothing left. NATO arsenals and mercenaries are also severely depleted.

Here's my evidence:
"They have gathered close to 200,000 troops. And up to 400,000, according to other calculations," said the leader of that private military company during a talk before members of the "Cyber Front Z" group.

War in Ukraine Wagner says kyiv has assembled more than 200,000 men for counteroffensive News

The head of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said on Sunday that Ukraine has assembled more than 200,000 troops for its imminent counteroffensive against Russian News

www.dailynewsen.com

Where's yours that Ukraine is running out of soldiers? Oh wait, you have none, just some flawed logic. You know why? It was dreamt up by some Russian in a troll factory. There is no evidence for lies. You were gullible and bought it.

You should be happy. You don't have to be scared anymore or try to scare others. Unless that's exactly what you wanted.

These are human beings you despicable cunt, not units coming off an assembly line somewhere. There's only so many ukranian people left. You might be perfectly happy cheering on the slaughter of the entire ukranian people to the last man just like Joe Biden is, but I'm not.

We didn't invade Ukraine. We didn't do a Jedi mind trick on Putin to make him invade. We didn't force Ukraine to defend themselves, they want to do it. We haven't killed anyone here.

So yeah, I cheer for my country and her allies. Unlike you I don't want to see them fail just because I didn't like the results of the last election. It's very disingenous of you to pretend you give a damn about people you blame, you want their aid cut off, you call nazis, and you spread Russian lies and propaganda about pretending they are doing worse in the war than they really are.

 

[Hughinn]

You mean this road you can clearly watch them recently driving up and down?
View: https://www.facebook.com/reel/1312155032681624/?s=single_unit%3B
View: https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1639552215227543552

Or this Ukrainian media that says exactly what you said it doesn't?
“If there comes a moment of even hotter events and the danger that we may lose personnel due to an encirclement, there will certainly be appropriate decisions taken by the general on the spot," Zelensky said.

If Bakhmut Falls - Will the West Abandon Ukraine?

Does Ukraine’s ability to hold on to Bakhmut signify more than just military success or failure? What the Experts Say.

www.kyivpost.com

"Russian forces do not have the degree of fire control over Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Bakhmut, Avdiivka, and likely other areas of the front that Russian milbloggers claim, further undermining the Russian effort to take Bakhmut. Recent footage shows that Ukrainian forces remain able to drive on the Bakhmut-Chasiv Yar and Bakhmut-Khromove roads despite Russian artillery targeting the Ukrainian vehicles.[26] Russian milbloggers likely based their fire control claims on Russian artillery system ranges, but even Russian ground advances close to these GLOCs have failed to prevent Ukrainian vehicles from using them at least on a small scale. Geolocated footage posted on March 25 shows that Wagner Group forces have crossed the T0504 but remain unable to establish sustained positions that would cut the GLOC.[27]" -ISW

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, March 25, 2023

Russian President Vladimir Putin launched the predictable next information operation to discourage Ukrainian resistance and disrupt Western support for Ukraine as Russian offensives culminate and Ukraine prepares to launch counter-offensives in an interview with a state-owned Russian news...

www.understandingwar.org

You know how many times genetics comes up in Putin's essay on Ukraine? I'll give you a guess. Or you can actually read it:

On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“

www.en.kremlin.ru

And you're telling me to cut the bullshit? I mean, here I am posting a factual document coming right from the President of Russia about what he thinks of Ukraine and you're straight up making things up.

You know for a fact he doesn't see Ukraine as a real country, sees it as part of Russia, and Ukrainians aren't a people; you just don't want to admit it for some reason. It's right there in black and white print. Anyone can click on it, read it, and see you're full of shit. Do you get some kind of pleasure out of denying what is right in front of your nose? Does denying the truth get you off somehow?


"Except the (Ukrainians are) running out of soldiers.
Washington cannot get another half million rural American white boys to send off to slaughter."
"And Washington? Well, they're running out of Ukranian bodies. Now the arklatex and Appalachian American people are not going to produce another 100k white country boys to go enforce their demands on an unwilling world anymore."
"Then Washington will have to send American troops to die for their money laundering operation or else try to convince European countries to enter the war."
"Washington is running out of Ukranians, so who's next on thier expandables list ass wipe?"
"He's perfectly willing to spend the lives of working class Ukrainian people to advance the interests of Washington DC/NATO. He's also perfectly willing to expend the lives of the "deplorable" Americans he hates to get what benifits him."
"And there's no way Joe Biden is going to send 50k, 60k, 200k American soldiers off to die in the meat grinder of Ukraine.
Washingtons entire military probably couldn't produce 75k combat prepared infantry soldiers across it's entire armed forces.
It's been chasing around little brown men wearing bed sheets and riding camels for the past thirty years."
- @Hughinn


Here's my evidence:
"They have gathered close to 200,000 troops. And up to 400,000, according to other calculations," said the leader of that private military company during a talk before members of the "Cyber Front Z" group.

War in Ukraine Wagner says kyiv has assembled more than 200,000 men for counteroffensive News

The head of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, said on Sunday that Ukraine has assembled more than 200,000 troops for its imminent counteroffensive against Russian News

www.dailynewsen.com

Where's yours that Ukraine is running out of soldiers? Oh wait, you have none, just some flawed logic. You know why? It was dreamt up by some Russian in a troll factory. There is no evidence for lies. You were gullible and bought it.

You should be happy. You don't have to be scared anymore or try to scare others. Unless that's exactly what you wanted.


We didn't invade Ukraine. We didn't do a Jedi mind trick on Putin to make him invade. We didn't force Ukraine to defend themselves, they want to do it. We haven't killed anyone here.

So yeah, I cheer for my country and her allies. Unlike you I don't want to see them fail just because I didn't like the results of the last election. It's very disingenous of you to pretend you give a damn about people you blame, you want their aid cut off, you call nazis, and you spread Russian lies and propaganda about pretending they are doing worse in the war than they really are.

In other words, one tiny dirt road being bombarded by artillery.

Just what the fuck I said idiot.

And for the last time, it's not about any election

Zelensky is a puppet.
If you support this mess in Ukraine, by default you are supporting NATO who are waging a proxy war with Russia using Ukrainian Nazis and it's young men while fleecing American taxpayers to fund the travesty

Russian aggression is in fact US led aggression.
They all knew for years exactly where their policies of coups and color revolutions would ultimately lead to this war. They did it anyway. Despite twenty years of warnings. They deliberately pushed right into it.


Furthermore,

Nord stream was blown up by the Biden administration to prevent peace talks and business interests between Russia and Europe......to keep the war going.

Peace talks have been thwarted by the Biden administration.....to keep the war going

All this "aid" is not going to stop Russia from taking the Donbass and Crimea.....

Washington knows this....they want to keep the war going

Because the war serves their interests. You admitted it too cocksucker. So don't deny it




Washington doesn't care how many Ukrainians die.

Facts

You're copying and pasting propoganda bullshit changes none of it.

Now where are those refugee numbers?

 

[GuerillaPete]

What do you guys think of the new leaks?
They are saying Ukraine is strugling and wont be able to fight past may because they wont have anti air weapons.
Could this be true or a trap for Russia ?
Also the situation in Taiwan is heating up thoughts on that?

 

[hometeam]

In other words, one tiny dirt road being bombarded by artillery.

Just what the fuck I said idiot.

No. You said:
"Even ukranian media, with all the lies and garbage it's pumping out admits that Russia controls all access in and out of bakmut.
There's literally one muddy road the Russian forces for whatever reason has left open, and they simply destroy any armored vehicles or supplies going in on that road."
There's a difference. And you were wrong. Russia doesn't control all access in and out. Vehicles and supplies are getting in and out. We have footage of that.

And for the last time, it's not about any election

"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
"Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "
"Washington wants to control the world. And not in a peaceful way, but like a crooked cop controls a poor neighborhood. "
"Joe Biden is a threat to our lives and liberties"
- @Hughinn

You've been on a 2 year anti-Biden binge, 6000+ posts, multiple bannings



twisting every single thing you can find in the news into a Biden outrage or Biden failure. This is just an extension of that. Even a clear foreign policy success like this you want to turn into a bad thing: Biden's fault, Biden/Ukraine losing, destroying our country and the world. You're the one who gives a damn about the Ukrainians not them.

 

[hometeam]

What do you guys think of the new leaks?
They are saying Ukraine is strugling and wont be able to fight past may because they wont have anti air weapons.
Could this be true or a trap for Russia ?
Also the situation in Taiwan is heating up thoughts on that?

I did read awhile back that Russia is probably firing as many missiles and drones at Ukraine as possible in an attempt to get them to run out of anti-aircraft missiles. So if that happens they can use their bombers. But NATO is never going to run out of anti-aircraft systems to send. They're talking about running out of Russian made air defense missiles, not Western ones. These defense missiles are expensive though. They may have to ration them and prioritize targets.

Russia's offensive has likely culminated, so it's not like they're going to mount an offensive on a major city like Kiev or Kharkiv this year.

And this is the ISW assessment from a week ago:
Russia’s missile campaign to degrade Ukraine’s unified energy infrastructure has failed definitively, and Russia appears to have abandoned the effort.
Ukrainian Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko announced on April 8 that Ukraine is resuming energy exports for the first time since October 11, 2022.[24] Russian authorities began efforts in October to degrade Ukrainian energy infrastructure to a significant extent by the end of winter, which Russians consider March 1;[25] however, the series of large-scale Russian missile strikes on energy infrastructure failed to achieve the assessed Russian aims of causing a humanitarian disaster, weakening Ukrainian military capabilities, and forcing Ukraine to negotiate. State-run Russian media acknowledged this failure on March 1.[26] Russia likely abandoned the effort soon after. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense (UK MoD) noted on April 8 that the frequency of Russian large-scale, long-range attacks on energy infrastructure has decreased since March 2023. The UK MoD assessed that Russia continues small-scale strikes (strikes using fewer than 25 munitions) with predictably less effect.[27] Russia maintains the capability to renew such strikes though, if it so desired. Halushchenko stated that Ukraine has the flexibility to adjust Ukrainian energy exports if the situation changes.[28]

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 8, 2023

Ukrainian and Russian sources discussed the decreased rate of Russian offensive operations along the entire frontline on April 8, supporting ISW’s assessment that the overall Russian offensive is approaching culmination. Council of Reservists of the Ukrainian Ground Forces Head Ivan Tymochko...

isw.pub

 

[GuerillaPete]

I did read awhile back that Russia is probably firing as many missiles and drones at Ukraine as possible in an attempt to get them to run out of anti-aircraft missiles. So if that happens they can use their bombers. But NATO is never going to run out of anti-aircraft systems to send. They're talking about running out of Russian made air defense missiles, not Western ones. These defense missiles are expensive though.

Russia's offensive has likely culminated, so it's not like they're going to mount an offensive on a major city like Kiev or Kharkiv this year.

And this is the ISW assessment from a week ago:
Russia’s missile campaign to degrade Ukraine’s unified energy infrastructure has failed definitively, and Russia appears to have abandoned the effort.
Ukrainian Energy Minister Herman Halushchenko announced on April 8 that Ukraine is resuming energy exports for the first time since October 11, 2022.[24] Russian authorities began efforts in October to degrade Ukrainian energy infrastructure to a significant extent by the end of winter, which Russians consider March 1;[25] however, the series of large-scale Russian missile strikes on energy infrastructure failed to achieve the assessed Russian aims of causing a humanitarian disaster, weakening Ukrainian military capabilities, and forcing Ukraine to negotiate. State-run Russian media acknowledged this failure on March 1.[26] Russia likely abandoned the effort soon after. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense (UK MoD) noted on April 8 that the frequency of Russian large-scale, long-range attacks on energy infrastructure has decreased since March 2023. The UK MoD assessed that Russia continues small-scale strikes (strikes using fewer than 25 munitions) with predictably less effect.[27] Russia maintains the capability to renew such strikes though, if it so desired. Halushchenko stated that Ukraine has the flexibility to adjust Ukrainian energy exports if the situation changes.[28]

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 8, 2023

Ukrainian and Russian sources discussed the decreased rate of Russian offensive operations along the entire frontline on April 8, supporting ISW’s assessment that the overall Russian offensive is approaching culmination. Council of Reservists of the Ukrainian Ground Forces Head Ivan Tymochko...

isw.pub

They bomb energy plants in the winter in the summer they go for agricultural plants i heard about this on Peter Zeihans channel.
Could it be a trap to make russia use fighter jets and bombers?
What do you think about Taiwan?China is massing troops and surrounding the island.
It does not look good in my opinion.

 

[hometeam]

Could it be a trap to make russia use fighter jets and bombers?

Well NATO has an AWACS plane just off the coast 24/7... 2 planes actually doing 12 hr shifts. It's interesting, you can see the mission here:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZYCLJDWckY


So, any time a missile or jet launches from anywhere in the region it's identified, tracked, and the Ukrainians are informed. These missile defense systems can tell if it's an Iranian drone, cruise missile, strike jet or bomber too. So as long as Ukraine has 1 defense missile, if a bomber is coming it'll get shot down.

But more and more they're going to have to prioritize targets. They don't use a $1 million missile to shoot down a $20k drone. They have ground teams with stinger missiles that do that:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax97qQv9_-U

 

[hometeam]

What do you think about Taiwan?China is massing troops and surrounding the island.
It does not look good in my opinion.

So, the Taiwan Straight is about 4x wider than the English Channel crossed during D Day WWII. Taiwan's population is about 23 million, about half that of Ukraine. China would need hundreds of transport ships, somewhere between 400,000 to 2 million troops.

How difficult would it be for China to invade Taiwan?

As observers worry about the growing possibility, an invading force would still have huge challenges to overcome.

www.aljazeera.com

So, last year around the time Pelosi visited, a friend told me he just heard China is about to invade Taiwan. So I looked up Google News and said "no they're not. It would be all over the news" He said "no, I just saw a General who said it's just about to happen. They're doing all these exercises"

The reality is we would see them massing at the coast weeks/months in advance and it would be no secret. Amphibious invasions are hard. This would be D Day times three, with the benefit of satellite recon. Then, like with Ukraine we would see a pretty big effort to stop it.

When Russia lined up their forces on the border in 2021 Biden called up Putin and scheduled a summit:

2021 Russia–United States summit - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and got Putin to back his forces down.

And later that year when they started lining up again. Biden declassified information:

Biden declassified intel about Russia's Ukraine invasion because allies didn't think it would actually happen, US spy chief says

Avril Haines said there was "a fair amount of skepticism" among US allies that Russia would invade, and Biden wanted to start planning.

www.businessinsider.com

They sounded the alarm:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

They had a videoconference urging Putin not to do it:

Russia-US face-off: What should we expect in 2022?

The US and its European allies are pushing for diplomacy with Russia but a renewed conflict in Ukraine is still possible

www.aljazeera.com

They tried shuttle diplomacy:

No more ‘shuttle diplomacy’: Russia rebuffs West as mediator at Ukraine negotiations

Russia’s top diplomat went to say that "the EU fully proved its incompetence, when it failed to make good on what it had agreed on"

tass.com

Antony Blinken publicly warned Putin:

Secretary of State Blinken warns of severe response if a single Russian force enters Ukraine in an aggressive way

"We've given Russia two paths. There's a path of diplomacy and dialogue... But there's also a path of its renewed aggression and massive consequences," Blinken said.

www.cnbc.com

And we started preparing the Ukrainians for a guerilla war (we didn't think they'd actually beat the Russians):

Ukrainians prepare for guerrilla warfare in case Russia invades

From dentists to table tennis coaches to housewives, men and women of Ukraine say they would not hesitate to defend their homelands if the government gives...

www.dailysabah.com

So I think it's kinda useless to guess if China is about to attack. We would know. A more interesting development would be if China decided to blockade Taiwan instead of invade. That may come without notice.

 

[Hughinn]

So, the Taiwan Straight is about 4x wider than the English Channel crossed during D Day WWII. Taiwan's population is about 23 million, about half that of Ukraine. China would need hundreds of transport ships, somewhere between 400,000 to 2 million troops.

How difficult would it be for China to invade Taiwan?

As observers worry about the growing possibility, an invading force would still have huge challenges to overcome.

www.aljazeera.com

So, last year around the time Pelosi visited, a friend told me he just heard China is about to invade Taiwan. So I looked up Google News and said "no they're not. It would be all over the news" He said "no, I just saw a General who said it's just about to happen. They're doing all these exercises"

The reality is we would see them massing at the coast weeks/months in advance and it would be no secret. Amphibious invasions are hard. This would be D Day times three, with the benefit of satellite recon. Then, like with Ukraine we would see a pretty big effort to stop it.

When Russia lined up their forces on the border in 2021 Biden called up Putin and scheduled a summit:

2021 Russia–United States summit - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and got Putin to back his forces down.

And later that year when they started lining up again. Biden declassified information:

Biden declassified intel about Russia's Ukraine invasion because allies didn't think it would actually happen, US spy chief says

Avril Haines said there was "a fair amount of skepticism" among US allies that Russia would invade, and Biden wanted to start planning.

www.businessinsider.com

They sounded the alarm:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russia-ukraine-invasion/2021/12/03/98a3760e-546b-11ec-8769-2f4ecdf7a2ad_story.html

They had a videoconference urging Putin not to do it:

Russia-US face-off: What should we expect in 2022?

The US and its European allies are pushing for diplomacy with Russia but a renewed conflict in Ukraine is still possible

www.aljazeera.com

They tried shuttle diplomacy:

No more ‘shuttle diplomacy’: Russia rebuffs West as mediator at Ukraine negotiations

Russia’s top diplomat went to say that "the EU fully proved its incompetence, when it failed to make good on what it had agreed on"

tass.com

Antony Blinken publicly warned Putin:

Secretary of State Blinken warns of severe response if a single Russian force enters Ukraine in an aggressive way

"We've given Russia two paths. There's a path of diplomacy and dialogue... But there's also a path of its renewed aggression and massive consequences," Blinken said.

www.cnbc.com

And we started preparing the Ukrainians for a guerilla war (we didn't think they'd actually beat the Russians):

Ukrainians prepare for guerrilla warfare in case Russia invades

From dentists to table tennis coaches to housewives, men and women of Ukraine say they would not hesitate to defend their homelands if the government gives...

www.dailysabah.com

So I think it's kinda useless to guess if China is about to attack. We would know. A more interesting development would be if China decided to blockade Taiwan instead of invade. That may come without notice.

@hometeam is an idiot.

Doing nothing but parroting party line bullshit.

Taiwan, more than likely, especially without US interference and/or coup/color revolutions in Taipei, most probably will vote itself to be a part of China sometime soon on some type of terms that suit them.

Now China can build lots of ships and machines, but they're not a maritime/naval superpower. Never has been. They're really not interested in going to war with anybody because they can get what they want economically instead. Mostly because Washington sold them the best manufacturing base in human history to enrich themselves. And the Chinese know how to use what they've shrewdly and wisely purchased right out from under the American people.

If there's no maidan revolution funded by the US state department in Taiwan, they'll more than likely join China.

The thing that sucks for us Americans is that china's engines of technology and manufacturing capabilities were purchased from Washington to enrich politicians and unscrupulous business people in the little blue bubbles of America.

But it is what it is at this point.

The sooner this horseshit winds down and the lies and bullshit get exposed the sooner we can get back to rebuilding America into something like it was meant to be. A constitutional republic of free independent people. Not a globalist empire of billionaire corporate interests.

 

[Hughinn]

No. You said:
"Even ukranian media, with all the lies and garbage it's pumping out admits that Russia controls all access in and out of bakmut.
There's literally one muddy road the Russian forces for whatever reason has left open, and they simply destroy any armored vehicles or supplies going in on that road."
There's a difference. And you were wrong. Russia doesn't control all access in and out. Vehicles and supplies are getting in and out. We have footage of that.


"But I know enough about them, and Joe Biden to tell them all to kiss my fuckin ass. As I'd rather cut their necks than shake their hands.
Because Joe Biden doesn't get to decide where I live, what I believe and where my grandchildren will die. I won't bow before the idols of wokeness and empire"
"Joe Biden and the DNC need a Pearl harbor, and they just might stage one"
"This shit is beyond ridiculous at this point. Joe Biden is a fuckin moron. Anybody still supporting him is a brainless, witless fuckin idiot. "
"Joe Biden is far more likely to be thrown out of office for this mess than Putin, and before it's all over, he just might"
"Who here thinks for one second any of the cowards in our current administration would stay in Washington while it was shelled?
Joe Biden would certainly be in a bunker somewhere eating smashed peas and shitting himself in a diaper."
"the lying corrupt bastard Joe Biden would have to admit his own fault in this situation and he won't do that. "
"Washington wants to control the world. And not in a peaceful way, but like a crooked cop controls a poor neighborhood. "
"Joe Biden is a threat to our lives and liberties"
- @Hughinn

You've been on a 2 year anti-Biden binge, 6000+ posts, multiple bannings
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twisting every single thing you can find in the news into a Biden outrage or Biden failure. This is just an extension of that. Even a clear foreign policy success like this you want to turn into a bad thing: Biden's fault, Biden/Ukraine losing, destroying our country and the world. You're the one who gives a damn about the Ukrainians not them.

In other words, you're a cunt that can do nothing except parrot the thoughts of others

Because any rational person can see, bakmut is fallen. Ukraine has already lost and this war is pointless.

 

[Hughinn]

What do you guys think of the new leaks?
They are saying Ukraine is strugling and wont be able to fight past may because they wont have anti air weapons.
Could this be true or a trap for Russia ?
Also the situation in Taiwan is heating up thoughts on that?

The truth is that Ukraine has been pounded into rubble. Large part's are now occupied permanently and they're now helplessly in debt to the most corrupt regime on the planet: Washington DC.
Ukraine is not a democracy by any stretch of imagination, not are they even remotely independent. As Washington pays their salaries, retirements and lucrative pensions while fucking over working class Americans on their pensions

There's no trap. Just bullshit propoganda and lies. All bullshit aside, Ukraine is finished except for a small and very expensive guerilla insurgency funded by Washington.

Think about what you said "anti aircraft weapons".

Wouldn't do ukranian much good anyway because Russia is an infantry and primarily uses artillery. And any anti aircraft weapons you give Ukrainians wouldn't help them for the same reason.

Aircraft you give Ukrainians will face some of the best anti aircraft and air defense systems on the planet, built by the Russians. So it's moot anyway.

This thing is all over except for the crying as Hank Williams said. But I'll add that there's still money to be made by the slimy bastards in Washington as long as there's ukranian people willing to fight.

Washington may resurrect the zombie corpse of the NATO/ukranian army to prolong the war. But the end result is not going to change.

 

[GuerillaPete]

The truth is that Ukraine has been pounded into rubble. Large part's are now occupied permanently and they're now helplessly in debt to the most corrupt regime on the planet: Washington DC.

There's no trap. Just bullshit propoganda and lies. All bullshit aside, Ukraine is finished except for a small and very expensive guerilla insurgency funded by Washington.

Think about what you said "anti aircraft weapons".

Wouldn't do ukranian much good anyway because Russia is an infantry and primarily uses artillery. And any anti aircraft weapons you give Ukrainians wouldn't help them for the same reason.

Aircraft you give Ukrainians will face some of the best anti aircraft and air defense systems on the planet, built by the Russians. So it's moot anyway.

This thing is all over except for the crying as Hank Williams said. But I'll add that there's still money to be made by the slimy bastards in Washington as long as there's ukranian people willing to fight.

I think if Russia gets air superiority or dominance it would be huge for Russia as they could send in bombers.
But i get your point in that Russia is mostly ground attack and more defensive in the air .
What about Taiwan you guys very quite on that subject ?

 

[hometeam]

What about Taiwan you guys very quite on that subject ?

Well like I said, this was D Day, 7,000 ships and 200,000 troops:

China's invasion force would be about 3x that size. It's not happening so what is there to talk about? It might happen several months from now or several years from now but what's the point of talking about a hypothetical that far into the future.

Now China can build lots of ships and machines, but they're not a maritime/naval superpower. Never has been.

I would take what he says with a big fat lump of salt because everything he knows came from some libertarian podcaster.

It is true that 20 years ago China was not a naval superpower and 30 years ago the Soviets and Russia was a peer to the US but neither is true today. In fact China has more ships than we do. They've built their 3rd aircraft carrier (2nd domestically built one).

"Over the last few decades, China’s navy has rapidly expanded. Around 2015, the Chinese Navy surpassed the U.S. Navy in total size, and the PLAN has continued to grow in the years since then. The U.S. Congressional Research Service estimates that the Chinese Navy consisted of 348 ships and submarines in 2021, while the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) puts the figure slightly higher at 355 vessels. By comparison, the deployable battle force of the U.S. Navy comprised 296 vessels in 2021.2 The fleet sizes of other leading nations are comparatively smaller. As of 2021, the British Royal Navy consisted of approximately 76 ships and the Royal Australian Navy had a fleet of 44 ships.

New ships are being put to sea at an impressive rate. Between 2017 and 2019, China reportedly built more vessels than India, Japan, Australia, France, and the United Kingdom combined. Germany’s Vice Admiral Kay-Achim Schonbachsaid noted in 2021 that China’s navy is expanding by roughly the equivalent of the entire French navy every four years. In 2021, China commissioned at least 28 ships, while the U.S. Navy was positioned to commission seven ships that year. Should China continue to commission ships at a similar rate, it could have 425 battle force ships by 2030."

How is China Modernizing its Navy?

Beijing is undertaking sweeping efforts to modernize its navy. Between 2017 and 2019, China reportedly built more naval vessels than India, Japan, Australia, France, and the United Kingdom combined. Learn more about China’s naval modernization progress in this ChinaPower feature.

www.csis.org

They also have these artificial islands they put carrier sinking missiles on:

In 2021 it was reported in Taiwan that Xi and China had a 5 year plan to take Taiwan:

Xi planning to annex Taiwan in 5 years: Chinese scholar | Taiwan News | Mar. 15, 2021 12:34

Chinese chairman calls on PLA to step up preparations for war | Mar. 15, 2021 12:34

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Outgoing commander of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, Admiral Philip Davidson, said "6 years" in March 2021 during open Congressional testimony.

China could invade Taiwan in the next 6 years, warns U.S. admiral

"Taiwan is clearly one of their ambitions. ... And I think the threat is manifest during this decade, in fact, in the next six years," Adm. Philip Davidson said.

www.nbcnews.com

Many feel China's economy is peaking and their window for annexing Taiwan is in the next few years. But they do have a habit of extending these plans further into the future and currently all we can do is speculate.

Taiwan, more than likely, especially without US interference and/or coup/color revolutions in Taipei, most probably will vote itself to be a part of China sometime soon on some type of terms that suit them.

It's kind of annoying when someone speaks without knowing anything about the topic. This is from the Brookings Institute:
"we know that Taiwan people overwhelmingly reject unification with the PRC, and the vast majority do not support immediate formal independence. At the same time, the number who identify as exclusively Taiwanese, not Chinese, continues to rise. However, these findings mask deeper questions that existing polls do not fully answer. Above all, what exactly does it mean to have a Taiwanese, not Chinese, identity?"

Why is unification so unpopular in Taiwan? It’s the PRC political system, not just culture | Brookings

The authors analyze and discuss the results of a survey they conducted on Taiwanese identity and Chinese identity in Taiwan, and observe how identity impacts sentiments toward unification.

www.brookings.edu

But Xi is hoping that the China-friendly Kuomintang (KMT) party will win the next Taiwan presidential election in 2024.

 

[hometeam]

Think about what you said "anti aircraft weapons".

Wouldn't do ukranian much good anyway because Russia is an infantry and primarily uses artillery. And any anti aircraft weapons you give Ukrainians wouldn't help them for the same reason.

Aircraft you give Ukrainians will face some of the best anti aircraft and air defense systems on the planet, built by the Russians. So it's moot anyway.

Russia does have 120 bombers and 900 fighter aircraft. Now, how many are in flyable condition and how many they lost over the last year is an issue.

Also, Ukraine still has some Soviet era fighters and they've getting some more:

Poland to be 1st NATO member to give Ukraine fighter jets

Poland’s president says his country plans to give Ukraine around a dozen MiG-29 fighter jets. The move would make Poland the first NATO member country to fulfill the Ukrainian government's increasingly urgent request for warplanes.

apnews.com

Slovakia delivers first four Soviet-era MiG-29 jets to Ukraine

The warplanes were flown from Slovakia to Ukraine by Ukrainian pilots, with help from the Slovak air force.

www.aljazeera.com

So Russian pilots don't know if those migs in the air are friend or foe.

But, one thing the US has that Russia doesn't is HARM air defense killing missiles. We've sent Ukraine some but not the latest generation. Here they say they hit 10 Russian air defense sites:
"AIR FORCE Aviation Launched 15 GROUP AIR STRIKES, AND AIR MISSILE FORCES DESTROYED 5 AIR TARGETS ------------------------ During the day of September 21, the Air Force aviation struck a powerful fire impact on hostile positions. Fighters continue the utilization of Russian air defense with the help of Ukrainian aircraft adapted to American AGM-88 "HARM" anti-radiation missiles and cover from the air strike groups of šturmoí льно and bombardment aviation. More than 15 group air strikes were carried out on rašistah in different directions. As a result of the air strikes, an enemy platoon support point, a mortar battery, up to 15 units of combat armored equipment, dozens of invaders. Harm's anti-radíolokacíjnimi rockets hit about 10 positions of the opponent's air defense. Four operational-tactical-level bpla and one wing of the Russian occupation missile units of the Air Force of Ukraine destroyed four operational-tactic level and one winged rocket of the Russian occupation troops.

Glory to Ukraine!

Together - to victory!"
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So it can become a game of who hits who. And Russian tech hasn't been the most reliable:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IwqmezeSuQ

 

[hometeam]

@GuerillaPete if you want to learn more about China, their navy, and Taiwan there's this lecture from the US Naval Institute in Annapolis. I watched it myself a few months back:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aFqM4ES40


60 Minutes had this really cool interview with the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet, talking about the threat and their readiness, what keeps him up at night:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEc5hsWNsCQ


I think it's interesting that back in the first Gulf War we tricked Saddam Hussein into thinking our assault would include an amphibious assault into Kuwait:

This fake amphibious assault saved hundreds of lives in Desert Storm

The ruse was an amphibious assault of Marines hitting the beaches of Iraqi-occupied Kuwait and pushing west towards Baghdad.

www.wearethemighty.com

it's funny because an amphibious assault is the last thing any military wants to do, if they can help it.

 

[GuerillaPete]

@GuerillaPete if you want to learn more about China, their navy, and Taiwan there's this lecture from the US Naval Institute in Annapolis. I watched it myself a few months back:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aFqM4ES40


60 Minutes had this really cool interview with the Admiral of the Pacific Fleet, talking about the threat and their readiness, what keeps him up at night:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEc5hsWNsCQ


I think it's interesting that back in the first Gulf War we tricked Saddam Hussein into thinking our assault would include an amphibious assault into Kuwait:

This fake amphibious assault saved hundreds of lives in Desert Storm

The ruse was an amphibious assault of Marines hitting the beaches of Iraqi-occupied Kuwait and pushing west towards Baghdad.

www.wearethemighty.com

it's funny because an amphibious assault is the last thing any military wants to do, if they can help it.

I will watch this today as soon as my time will permit i just wanted to say that China can bomb the shit out of Taiwan from its mainland they don't need to do it all from ships.
I hope nothing happens as this could spark WW3

 

[hometeam]

I will watch this today as soon as my time will permit i just wanted to say that China can bomb the shit out of Taiwan from its mainland they don't need to do it all from ships.
I hope nothing happens as this could spark WW3

Well the shores of Taiwan is 80 miles out from the shores of China. It's not an easy bombing run. And on D Day we bombed the shit out of the Germans on the French coast, still lost 10,000 soldiers on the first day.

But look at the newest Chinese carrier:

Looks a lot like ours, 80,000 tons displacement, 3 electromagnetic catapults. They're planning a naval battle. At 13:48 in the 60 minutes video she asks the Admiral about a recent non-classified war games that had the US winning but losing 20 ships including 2 carriers and it's an interesting response.

 

[GuerillaPete]

Well the shores of Taiwan is 80 miles out from the shores of China. It's not an easy bombing run. And on D Day we bombed the shit out of the Germans on the French coast, still lost 10,000 soldiers on the first day.

But look at the newest Chinese carrier:

Looks a lot like ours, 80,000 tons displacement, 3 electromagnetic catapults. They're planning a naval battle. At 13:48 in the 60 minutes video she asks the Admiral about a recent non-classified war games that had the US winning but losing 20 ships including 2 carriers and it's an interesting response.

Sorry i wanted to say China can shoot missiles from its mainland and because its close they would be very precise my english failed me on this one.
Its a long video but will watch a bit later.
Anyways hope its just a bluff from China.
The naval battle they are preparing for is with Nato for sure and not with Taiwan .

 

[Hughinn]

Well like I said, this was D Day, 7,000 ships and 200,000 troops:

China's invasion force would be about 3x that size. It's not happening so what is there to talk about? It might happen several months from now or several years from now but what's the point of talking about a hypothetical that far into the future.


I would take what he says with a big fat lump of salt because everything he knows came from some libertarian podcaster.

It is true that 20 years ago China was not a naval superpower and 30 years ago the Soviets and Russia was a peer to the US but neither is true today. In fact China has more ships than we do. They've built their 3rd aircraft carrier (2nd domestically built one).

"Over the last few decades, China’s navy has rapidly expanded. Around 2015, the Chinese Navy surpassed the U.S. Navy in total size, and the PLAN has continued to grow in the years since then. The U.S. Congressional Research Service estimates that the Chinese Navy consisted of 348 ships and submarines in 2021, while the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) puts the figure slightly higher at 355 vessels. By comparison, the deployable battle force of the U.S. Navy comprised 296 vessels in 2021.2 The fleet sizes of other leading nations are comparatively smaller. As of 2021, the British Royal Navy consisted of approximately 76 ships and the Royal Australian Navy had a fleet of 44 ships.
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New ships are being put to sea at an impressive rate. Between 2017 and 2019, China reportedly built more vessels than India, Japan, Australia, France, and the United Kingdom combined. Germany’s Vice Admiral Kay-Achim Schonbachsaid noted in 2021 that China’s navy is expanding by roughly the equivalent of the entire French navy every four years. In 2021, China commissioned at least 28 ships, while the U.S. Navy was positioned to commission seven ships that year. Should China continue to commission ships at a similar rate, it could have 425 battle force ships by 2030."

How is China Modernizing its Navy?

Beijing is undertaking sweeping efforts to modernize its navy. Between 2017 and 2019, China reportedly built more naval vessels than India, Japan, Australia, France, and the United Kingdom combined. Learn more about China’s naval modernization progress in this ChinaPower feature.

www.csis.org

They also have these artificial islands they put carrier sinking missiles on:

In 2021 it was reported in Taiwan that Xi and China had a 5 year plan to take Taiwan:

Xi planning to annex Taiwan in 5 years: Chinese scholar | Taiwan News | Mar. 15, 2021 12:34

Chinese chairman calls on PLA to step up preparations for war | Mar. 15, 2021 12:34

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Outgoing commander of U.S. Indo-Pacific Command, Admiral Philip Davidson, said "6 years" in March 2021 during open Congressional testimony.

China could invade Taiwan in the next 6 years, warns U.S. admiral

"Taiwan is clearly one of their ambitions. ... And I think the threat is manifest during this decade, in fact, in the next six years," Adm. Philip Davidson said.

www.nbcnews.com

Many feel China's economy is peaking and their window for annexing Taiwan is in the next few years. But they do have a habit of extending these plans further into the future and currently all we can do is speculate.


It's kind of annoying when someone speaks without knowing anything about the topic. This is from the Brookings Institute:
"we know that Taiwan people overwhelmingly reject unification with the PRC, and the vast majority do not support immediate formal independence. At the same time, the number who identify as exclusively Taiwanese, not Chinese, continues to rise. However, these findings mask deeper questions that existing polls do not fully answer. Above all, what exactly does it mean to have a Taiwanese, not Chinese, identity?"

Why is unification so unpopular in Taiwan? It’s the PRC political system, not just culture | Brookings

The authors analyze and discuss the results of a survey they conducted on Taiwanese identity and Chinese identity in Taiwan, and observe how identity impacts sentiments toward unification.

www.brookings.edu

But Xi is hoping that the China-friendly Kuomintang (KMT) party will win the next Taiwan presidential election in 2024.

You're a lying POS. You quote some bullshit propoganda from the Brookings institute claiming it proves something?

And you wonder why I call you stupid?

Because you're an ignorant person that only knows how to copy and paste propoganda.

Taiwan, idiot, has been just one election away from a pro China party taking control for years.

Even your own propoganda networks admit this.

Taiwan’s Pro-China KMT Reelects Chu in Bid to Reclaim Power

Taiwan’s main China-friendly opposition group elected a party stalwart as its new chairman in an attempt to overturn a string of recent election losses and return to power.

www.bloomberg.com