Who makes actual pharma grade gear?

[Liska]

Those pharmacies like empower get their raws from China most likely. The same shit that we do. So difference is they have a compounding license.

After checking in with a raw source, apparently true for more than zero of them at least. Would explain @B Ware's Empower ND being 5% underdosed as that's what you'd get using chinese purity test reports, or it could be complete coincidence.

I suppose that i was assuming an actual pharmaceutical manufacturer would have at least a minimum standard of quality that couldn't be guaranteed with a ugl. Based on the responses I may be wrong in my assumption.

You're not wrong but in certain areas these pharmacopeia standards are below those of our community, such as content deviation or acceptable amount of dimer in HGH, and they may not have any incentive to do any better than that.

 

[Bigguy81]

Hi there, not looking for a source necessarily, and I've tried using the search function to answer this question, but not getting a clear answer. I am leary of ugl's from a safety standpoint. I would prefer to get something made by an actual pharmaceutical manufacturer, not some place making in God knows what conditions. Or some place that manufactures fentanyl at night using same equipment. What pharmacy do you recommend?

I can see where I can buy looking at existing threads, but not sure what brands specifically. My wife does figure competition's and I don't want to buy her something that could hurt her, even if its only orals. For myself, I will be injecting and don't want to be an amputee who can't provide for his family. Thanks for your help!

Have you ever known anyone to have to have a body part amputated from a injecting gear?

How many people do you know that got an infection from dirty gear? (If anyone can you be sure it was the gear and not bad injecting practices?


Personally I've never seen anyone get an infection never mind a body part amputated from dirty gear, and I'm talking about thousands of people...JS...

 

[mass gain]

Have you ever known anyone to have to have a body part amputated from a injecting gear?

How many people do you know that got an infection from dirty gear? (If anyone can you be sure it was the gear and not bad injecting practices?


Personally I've never seen anyone get an infection never mind a body part amputated from dirty gear, and I'm talking about thousands of people...JS...

I've never heard of amputation from dirty gear but I sure as shit have heard of people getting chunks of their ass, legs and/or arms removed so yeah, infections from dirty gear are real.

 

[mass gain]

After checking in with a raw source, apparently true for more than zero of them at least. Would explain @B Ware's Empower ND being 5% underdosed as that's what you'd get using chinese purity test reports, or it could be complete coincidence.


You're not wrong but in certain areas these pharmacopeia standards are below those of our community, such as content deviation or acceptable amount of dimer in HGH, and they may not have any incentive to do any better than that.

Its hard to believe but yeah pharmacy standards in shit countries can be worse than UGLs here.
For the most part though real pharmacy standards are well above what any UGL here could be.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

As someone who worked in compounding pharmacy for years, I'll just do you a favor and give some advice.

Drop this idea of "pharma grade" from your head. Drugs are drugs. There is no such thing as "pharma grade" , all that means is it went through extra regulation processes because it was by a "real" government agency. There are recalls every week and many drugs on the market are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Batches of "Pharma grade" drugs get fucked up all the time.

Something being made by Bayer doesn't mean it's more potent, or more clean, that just means they passed their bi-annual inspections and it came from a legal company who pays taxes.

As long as your steroid dealer cares about their job, they will have almost identical equipment and processes as a pharmaceutical company would.

I was 20 years old mixing up drugs and pressing them into pills for a pharmacy. Their "pharma grade" drugs were made my a stoned ass college student.

Mostly this

Pharma means you paid for the added QA/QC and regulatory auditing. It also generally means no "escapes" IE contaminated or underdosed products. But true pharma grade (by a first world standard) isnt nearly as abundant as forums would make you believe. Check those labels...

 

[Trois]

alpha pharma

 

[readalot]

I'll just leave this here.

Source QC and C of A (do you have one?)

I like ur ideas they do go hand and hand with harm reduction. ur a smart dude, I'm starting to think u have some type of stake in a heavy metal testing operation lol. This is 2023 we are surrounded by heavy metals, in our food air water u name it. it's in our water and kids baby food? Untill...

thinksteroids.com

Educate yourself on USP standards for raw APIs and the testing that is done. A Chinese UGL makes the same quality as a FDA inspected facility making USP purity? Let's prove it.

USP standard for structural impurities

USP standard for metals

USP standard for residual solvents


Feel free to check out the reference material in my thread.


A lot of hand waving going on in here.

 

[readalot]

As someone who worked in compounding pharmacy for years, I'll just do you a favor and give some advice.

Drop this idea of "pharma grade" from your head. Drugs are drugs. There is no such thing as "pharma grade" , all that means is it went through extra regulation processes because it was by a "real" government agency. There are recalls every week and many drugs on the market are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people. Batches of "Pharma grade" drugs get fucked up all the time.

Something being made by Bayer doesn't mean it's more potent, or more clean, that just means they passed their bi-annual inspections and it came from a legal company who pays taxes.

As long as your steroid dealer cares about their job, they will have almost identical equipment and processes as a pharmaceutical company would.

I was 20 years old mixing up drugs and pressing them into pills for a pharmacy. Their "pharma grade" drugs were made my a stoned ass college student.

So your point you are trying to get across is that USP grade raws are no different than ugl raws? No USP compendium governing the standards for these raw materials?

Kinda shocking as someone who has worked in the compounding industry that you'd make these claims.

USP Compounding Compendium | USP

USP Compounding Compendium offers compounding practitioners access to all compounding-related General Chapters and monographs.

www.usp.org

Are compounding pharmacies regularly cited by the fda for violations? Absolutely. You can easily go online and read them all.

Is the quality of USP raws the same as UGL? You say no? Care to substantiate that claim?

 

[RaddishPork]

So your point you are trying to get across is that USP grade raws are no different than ugl raws? No USP compendium governing the standards for these raw materials?

Kinda shocking as someone who has worked in the compounding industry that you'd make these claims.

USP Compounding Compendium | USP

USP Compounding Compendium offers compounding practitioners access to all compounding-related General Chapters and monographs.

www.usp.org

Are compounding pharmacies regularly cited by the fda for violations? Absolutely. You can easily go online and read them all.

Is the quality of USP raws the same as UGL? You say no? Care to substantiate that claim?

Wow dude this is hilarious. You are a lonely loser. I guess I have a stalker too lmao. Most of our drugs come from China or India. You think the same people selling to us aren’t also giving it to their own folks who then sell it UGL?

That’s as stupid as saying marijuana-growers in California would never sell outside of their legal market.

When it comes down to outcomes, yes, UGL testosterone will yield the exact same results as Bayer or Pfizer. I’m not reading your messages anymore. You spend way too much time on here trying to sound smart.

 

[readalot]

Wow dude this is hilarious. You are a lonely loser. I guess I have a stalker too lmao. Most of our drugs come from China or India. You think the same people selling to us aren’t also giving it to their own folks who then sell it UGL?

That’s as stupid as saying marijuana-growers in California would never sell outside of their legal market.

When it comes down to outcomes, yes, UGL testosterone will yield the exact same results as Bayer or Pfizer. I’m not reading your messages anymore. You spend way too much time on here trying to sound smart.

Way to dodge the question. No worries. Don't give yourself that much credit.

 

[readalot]

You are a lonely loser.

Typical tactic of personal attacks when you get called out. Thumbs down.

crying in the other thread now you got a stalker. Weak. And I had high hopes for you.

 

[SkankHunt]

This thread was almost a year old bud. No need to bump old threads to argue with people.