Trensomnia - What works?

[LowDoseNatty]

I've never seen this one.... Can you elaborate?

The logic is that tren pulls all the glucose out of your bloodstream and stores it into muscle glycogen. When you sleep, your liver releases gluclose for your brain to use. Tren is not allowing the glucose to reach your liver for storage there.

Fructose can't be used by the body until it is converted at the liver. Honey is the highest source of fructose that I know of, at about 50 percent fructose. The idea is that this is forcing the sugar to be stored in the liver for the brain to use as fuel instead of being pulled into the muscles by tren.

Personally, I don't notice a difference. If I have carbs before bed, I seem to sweat extra.

 

[jJjburton]

L theanine, puts me asleep and longer. I would try it on tren. It also reduces anxiety. Its an amino acid.

That and/or possibly gabapentin, gets rid of RLS

 

[Metribolone]

The logic is that tren pulls all the glucose out of your bloodstream and stores it into muscle glycogen. When you sleep, your liver releases gluclose for your brain to use. Tren is not allowing the glucose to reach your liver for storage there.

Fructose can't be used by the body until it is converted at the liver. Honey is the highest source of fructose that I know of, at about 50 percent fructose. The idea is that this is forcing the sugar to be stored in the liver for the brain to use as fuel instead of being pulled into the muscles by tren.

Personally, I don't notice a difference. If I have carbs before bed, I seem to sweat extra.

Interesting theory. I think that soda would be a more consistent source of fructose, as it’s made with high fructose corn syrup. “How much fructose is in HFCS? The most common forms of HFCS contain either 42 percent or 55 percent fructose, as described in the Code of Federal Regulations (21 CFR 184.1866), and these are referred to in the industry as HFCS 42 and HFCS 55. The rest of the HFCS is glucose and water.”

After a google search honey varies anywhere from 21%-43%

I doubt anyone would want to drink soda on a strict diet however.

 

[LowDoseNatty]

Interesting theory. I think that soda would be a more consistent source of fructose, as it’s made with high fructose corn syrup. “How much fructose is in HFCS? The most common forms of HFCS contain either 42 percent or 55 percent fructose, as described in the Code of Federal Regulations (21 CFR 184.1866), and these are referred to in the industry as HFCS 42 and HFCS 55. The rest of the HFCS is glucose and water.”

After a google search honey varies anywhere from 21%-43%

I doubt anyone would want to drink soda on a strict diet however.

Yeah I should have said “natural” source of fructose. At the end of the day it’s all carbs, as long as it fits your daily calories it wouldn’t be too major either way.

Like I said, personally, I didn’t notice a difference. Nothing I’ve used, not even trazadone really helps with tren sleep, which imo is the worst side effect and the cause of all the other sides. Lack of sleep can cause high blood pressure, irritability, and lots more negative sides

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

No haha. I take trazadone, exended release melatonin, then smoke weed until im mentally incompacitated and still dont sleep well. I dont understand people wanting to do things "naturally" or OTC especially when it comes to gear usage. You are taking pharmaceuticals already so you need pharmaceutical intervention to assist or counter act side effects!

 

[SippinCoffee]

Well I won't be using Tren after reading this. It sounds like opiate withdrawals...and not sleeping when I was getting clean was the absolute worst part of it. It made me completely understand how people lose their effin minds.

The only thing that ever worked for me was this sleep tea that is made for a Kurig. It wouldn't work multiple nights in a row. But once a week or so it would knock me out. I could take all the sleeping aids or benzos and I'd just be groggy, drowsy and still awake. God I'm sorry you're dealing with that.

 

[laclark89]

Marijuana works

 

[Palifter]

Well I won't be using Tren after reading this. It sounds like opiate withdrawals...and not sleeping when I was getting clean was the absolute worst part of it. It made me completely understand how people lose their effin minds.

The only thing that ever worked for me was this sleep tea that is made for a Kurig. It wouldn't work multiple nights in a row. But once a week or so it would knock me out. I could take all the sleeping aids or benzos and I'd just be groggy, drowsy and still awake. God I'm sorry you're dealing with that.

Sorry but opiate withdrawals and tren side effects are not even remotely comparable. I’m not trying to convince you to use tren but its side effects are way blown out of proportion. The people complaining about side effects are the same people that complain about having to eat a ton of food to put on size or whine about being hungry when trying to get lean…bitches gonna bitch lol.

Run a low dose, assess and go from there. You’ll be fine.

 

[SippinCoffee]

Sorry but opiate withdrawals and tren side effects are not even remotely comparable. I’m not trying to convince you to use tren but its side effects are way blown out of proportion. The people complaining about side effects are the same people that complain about having to eat a ton of food to put on size or whine about being hungry when trying to get lean…bitches gonna bitch lol.

Run a low dose, assess and go from there. You’ll be fine.

Yea I figure I will eventually. I figure a lot of it is bitching and overdosing. Thanks for the reply. I see insomnia and freak a little.

 

[grey]

Nothing works for me besides lowering the dosing or using non-estered Tren in the mornings exclusively.

 

[29trt]

Nothing works for me besides lowering the dosing or using non-estered Tren in the mornings exclusively.

How large of a dose can you tolerate using that protocol?
this might be the best way to use tren in conjunction with a long acting anabolic and before bed bolus of Hgh, wonder what the experts around here would say about this..

 

[Gobuckeyes0122]

I know you don’t wanna use meds but unisom worked well for me. Or I would have to take like 3 Benadryl.

 

[Dmiran84]

I eat food, than I'm able to go back to sleep

 

[LowDoseNatty]

Sorry but opiate withdrawals and tren side effects are not even remotely comparable. I’m not trying to convince you to use tren but its side effects are way blown out of proportion. The people complaining about side effects are the same people that complain about having to eat a ton of food to put on size or whine about being hungry when trying to get lean…bitches gonna bitch lol.

Run a low dose, assess and go from there. You’ll be fine.

As a recovered fet junkie, it's not even comparable. And like Palifter said, tren sides really aren't that bad, people exaggerate. Those people don't have what it takes to reach their goals.

That being said the sleep sucks ass, but that's literally the only side I get from it.

 

[SippinCoffee]

As a recovered fet junkie, it's not even comparable. And like Palifter said, tren sides really aren't that bad, people exaggerate. Those people don't have what it takes to reach their goals.

That being said the sleep sucks ass, but that's literally the only side I get from it.

Not sleeping during withdrawals was enough to make me certifiably insane for a little while. Sounds like maybe you can understand why the thought of that might cause me to run the other direction.

 

[LowDoseNatty]

Not sleeping during withdrawals was enough to make me certifiably insane for a little while. Sounds like maybe you can understand why the thought of that might cause me to run the other direction.

Oh yeah for sure I understand. But the insane lethargy, the shakes, the horrid stomach pains all make it so much worse.

On top of that, most of us aren't good sleepers in the first place even without drugs, so adding a drug that makes us lose even more sleep can cause lots of issues. I firmly believe that the majority of the mental effects from tren aren't from tren but from poor sleep. Notices how deca and NPP don't seem to cause major mental issues for most but they're in the same family of 19nors

 

[grey]

How large of a dose can you tolerate using that protocol?

Most I have ever used without an ester is 50mg in the morning without side effects but I found I didn't need that much and now (when I use it) I use 25mg.

 

[Canknucklehead]

Lately I have been using 1mg thx gummies with CBD 1:20 ratio

One or two of those and I sleep like a baby.

 

[connoristiny]

The main issue for my trensomnia is my resting HR. Mentally, I am able to relax, but physically my resting HR is uncomfortable at around 70 bpm (even on a beta blocker) that it keeps me awake. Can anyone relate?

 

[psauce]

I'm reluctant to offer this up, because it comes with its own problems, but there is a blood pressure medication that is used off-label for sleep (as well as ADHD and anxiety). It's called clonidine. Since a lot of the compounds people run on cycles tend to elevate the blood pressure, clonidine before bed can be a win-win.

It has a very substantial drawback, however: if you take it regularly and then stop abruptly, you will experience rebound hypertension and a catecholamine surge. It's both dangerous and extremely unpleasant.

However, taken infrequently at lower doses, it can help with sleep and doesn't come with the side effects of benzos or the "non-benzo benzo" hypnotics, like Ambien and Lunesta.

Trazodone also works for most people, but I feel drugged and have horrible nightmares, so that shit is a non-starter for me.