Hair Loss

[Johndoedoedodo]

Iam curently on trt
125mg / w (split into 2 dose)
1000ui hcg / w (split into 2dose)

Bloods:
Tst 880ngdl
E2 (sadly non sensitive test) 47pgml
Prl on high end range

Assuming you found a reliable source, ru58841 shouldn’t really give major side effects by itself like that. This article there is an article on research gate (dm me for link not sure if links can go in this forum) stated that symptoms of low testosterone including low energy, sex drive, and arousal are possible along with brain fog. Hope I could help. I would def recommend aromasin though.

 

[Nerfgod]

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

Yeah might be time to let the RU go if sides hurt u more than the drug helps. Hope u figure everything out okay!

 

[Ghoul]

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

For me E2 became an issue after starting low dose Finasteride. I assume T not converting to DHT becomes more available for aromatization to E. I was hesitant, but such a minuscule dose of Aromasin for me made a huge difference, nothing but positives. No added joint pain, no loss of energy, nothing.

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

For me E2 became an issue after starting low dose Finasteride. I assume T not converting to DHT becomes more available for aromatization to E. I was hesitant, but such a minuscule dose of Aromasin for me made a huge difference, nothing but positives. No added joint pain, no loss of energy, nothing.

I’m about to start my cycle of 500mg test for 15 weeks. About 4 weeks in I’ll run 20mg anavar for 30 days. I have aromasin on hand but I don’t know if I should throw it in or wait until I have sides.

 

[Ghoul]

I’m about to start my cycle of 500mg test for 15 weeks. About 4 weeks in I’ll run 20mg anavar for 30 days. I have aromasin on hand but I don’t know if I should throw it in or wait until I have sides.

I would wait until you get sides. No need to pile on meds unnecessarily. If sides happen, you won't get irreversible gyno overnight. Even though it takes a few weeks for low dose Aromasin to turn things around, you've got plenty of time once you start feeling nipple sensitivity.

Then in the future you can just start it right away if you're doing the same cycle and know sides are coming.

Like I said, Aromasin seems to be the best AI "on paper", but because of the way it works, it's critical to start low first, and only titrate up a little after a couple of weeks if symptoms don't resolve. Low and slow, and it's a good way to deal with E2 without the sides other, older AIs induce.

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

I wound wait until you get sides. No need to pile on meds unnecessarily. If sides happen, you won't get irreversible gyno overnight. Even though it takes a few weeks for low dose Aromasin to turn things around, you've got plenty of time once you start feeling nipple sensitivity.

Then in the future you can just start it right away if you're doing the same cycle and know sides are coming.

Like I said, Aromasin seems to be the best AI "on paper", but because of the way it works, it's critical to start low first, and only titrate up a little after a couple of weeks if symptoms don't resolve. Low and slow, and it's a good way to deal with E2 without the sides other, older AIs induce.

I heard 12.5 mg Every 3.5 Days. Do u think the 6.25mg is a better dosage?

 

[Eddie.]

Iam 5days in, feeling lethargic as fuck, and getting slight discomfort in my tits.. (early signs of gyno)

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

You think RU flares your gyno? How is that possible with your e2 in check? You said your PRL is borderline high which has nothing to do with RU.

And IMO yes, it's better to stop using it since you are already biased with the symptoms, like the plenty of guys who are afraid to use finasteride (including me) because of the potential side effects. Now you have it on your mind and unfortunately even if you're wrong no one can change your mind.

 

[Ghoul]

I heard 12.5 mg Every 3.5 Days. Do u think the 6.25mg is a better dosage?

I was paranoid because it seemed so many guys had "AI trauma" from crashing their E2. With Aromasin, it can take a month or more to recover from that. Similar to "Post Finasteride Syndrome".

So I started at 6.25mg 2x a week figuring I'd increase to 12.5mg after a few weeks.

Turned out not to be needed. That dose resolved all my E2 issues perfectly to my surprise. If I had used twice as much. I'm certain I would've have problems.

Of course, everyone's different, but imo better to start at that low dose and discover you need more, than find out 12.5mg x 3 is way too much, and be messed up for a month.

You want estrogen, it's not the enemy, it has many benefits, just need to reign in the excess amount.

 

[connoristiny]

has anyone used fin and nand together? what was the effect on your hair?

interested in hearing personal anecdotes of this as well. tryna run nand again but dont wanna negate the fin

 

[HU_Master777]

interested in hearing personal anecdotes of this as well. tryna run nand again but dont wanna negate the fin

My friend has been using nand + test + fin(1.25mg) for 3 months now and his hair has had absolutely no damage.

 

[Eddie.]

My friend has been using nand + test + fin(1.25mg) for 3 months now and his hair has had absolutely no damage.

Does your friend have male pattern baldness to begin with? These anecdotes need to come from people who were losing hair with steroids in the first place and now with test-deca and finasteride don't.

 

[Ghoul]

Does your friend have male pattern baldness to begin with? These anecdotes need to come from people who were losing hair with steroids in the first place and now with test-deca and finasteride don't.

There is no scenario where you'll lose more hair with Finasteride/Dutasteride than without. Even if it's not completely effective, something's better than nothing, Stopping any amount of test->dht conversion will help slow loss, at the least. At best, it'll stop, and even reverse loss to an extent. Same for minoxidil, it can only help.

With one exception. Starting and stopping either of those means another shedding phase, which is counterproductive if done repeatedly. Just find a protocol that works for you with no sides, and stick to it.

Hair preservation is a marathon, on or off cycle, not a temporary bandaid while using certain compounds.

 

[mochul]

anyone exprience shortness of breath and higher heart rate on oral minox?

 

[Ghoul]

anyone exprience shortness of breath and higher heart rate on oral minox?

Higher heart rate is an occasional side but should resolve within a couple of weeks of a stable dose. It's a reaction to lower blood pressure, and the body will adjust. Shortness of breath isn't common, but perhaps it's anxiety from noticing a rapid heartbeat.

 

[IronMetal_2]

yes, I do. Have to do very low dosage because of this unfortunately. But the dutasteride works great regardless, so I don't need much minox..

 

[egruberman]

Anyone know of a good ketoconazole shampoo that isn't terrible? The one I liked pulled out the ketoconazole and added in a bunch of "natural" ingredients.

 

[Mr_Fusion]

Make sure to get the 2%!

 

[Ghoul]

Anyone know of a good ketoconazole shampoo that isn't terrible? The one I liked pulled out the ketoconazole and added in a bunch of "natural" ingredients.

After the five minutes I just rinse it and follow up with my regular shampoo/conditioner. All the Keto shampoos I've used are very drying and don't smell great.

 

[BigDadd7]

Make sure to get the 2%!
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Don't you need a prescription for that?