Hair Loss

[leepriest_doshapemontado]

in my opinion i wouldn´t trust RU if you really want to have results. if you want to slow or stop hair loss using AAS or not, start FIN.

RU is good to add to your stack just because, but i dont see that many good feedbacks with RU only.
in europe you have actifolic or RUDIRECT UK
usa anagenic , chemyo

 

[FFMM]

in my opinion i wouldn´t trust RU if you really want to have results. if you want to slow or stop hair loss using AAS or not, start FIN.

RU is good to add to your stack just because, but i dont see that many good feedbacks with RU only.
in europe you have actifolic or RUDIRECT UK
usa anagenic , chemyo

Just read about mvsupplements in multiple german forums a couple minutes ago. Someone recently got it tested from janoshik in a french forum as well.
The problem with fin is that I won’t really help when I add dht derivatives in my blast or am I wrong ? Npp isn’t really an option either because it will be even worse on the hair with fin.
During cruise I will probably use it tho.

 

[Ghoul]

Just read about mvsupplements in multiple german forums a couple minutes ago. Someone recently got it tested from janoshik in a french forum as well.
The problem with fin is that I won’t really help when I add dht derivatives in my blast or am I wrong ? Npp isn’t really an option either because it will be even worse on the hair with fin.
During cruise I will probably use it tho.

DHT derivatives are not DHT, and do not exert a strong effect on hair like DHT does.

Of course your cycle still has a Test base, and that will convert, so Fin is still necessary as the basis for any hair preservation strategy.

If you're really worried about sides. .25mg / day will still provide significant protective benefits with a near zero chance of sides. More would be better, and most men have no issue at 1mg, but .25mg offers 80-90% of what 1mg would.

It'll help keep your prostate from becoming as issue as well, something most men face AAS or not.

 

[HU_Master777]

has anyone used fin and nand together? what was the effect on your hair?

 

[Nerfgod]

Did you read previous pages or you're reffering to other sources of info? Many guys have been on RU (including me) and i don't remember anyone experiencing side effects.

Iam 5days in, feeling lethargic as fuck, and getting slight discomfort in my tits.. (early signs of gyno)

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

Iam 5days in, feeling lethargic as fuck, and getting slight discomfort in my tits.. (early signs of gyno)

If you haven’t already I would get that AI started, assuming u have it on hand. That sucks man. Couldn’t find a comment on what your cycle is (or if it is just RU then ignore me lol), but I would def get bloodwork done now to compare to initial panel, have a good one!

 

[Nerfgod]

Iam curently on trt
125mg / w (split into 2 dose)
1000ui hcg / w (split into 2dose)

Bloods:
Tst 880ngdl
E2 (sadly non sensitive test) 47pgml
Prl on high end range

 

[Ghoul]

Iam curently on trt
125mg / w (split into 2 dose)
1000ui hcg / w (split into 2dose)

Bloods:
Tst 880ngdl
E2 (sadly non sensitive test) 47pgml
Prl on high end range

With similar numbers just 6.25mg Aromasin 2x week (on pin days) was enough to stop the breast pain, stopped me from getting overly emotional aka "sad song syndrome", dropped water weight, and amazingly got rid of a couple small lumps I suspected were gyno.

If you go this route, get real pharma Aromasin, it's easy enough from India pharma, a pill splitter (you won't get perfect quarters, it's impossible), and make sure to use 4 pieces from the same pill in a row, to ensure you're not getting more than 25mg every two weeks. Be patient and don't try to "front load" or take more because you're not feeling it yet. It's a great AI, but many dudes seem to crash E2 with it. In part I suspect that may come from typical UGL tab variation. One 35-40mg tab could be enough to send you too low, even using just two quarters a week.

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

Iam curently on trt
125mg / w (split into 2 dose)
1000ui hcg / w (split into 2dose)

Bloods:
Tst 880ngdl
E2 (sadly non sensitive test) 47pgml
Prl on high end range

Assuming you found a reliable source, ru58841 shouldn’t really give major side effects by itself like that. This article there is an article on research gate (dm me for link not sure if links can go in this forum) stated that symptoms of low testosterone including low energy, sex drive, and arousal are possible along with brain fog. Hope I could help. I would def recommend aromasin though.

 

[Nerfgod]

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

Yeah might be time to let the RU go if sides hurt u more than the drug helps. Hope u figure everything out okay!

 

[Ghoul]

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

For me E2 became an issue after starting low dose Finasteride. I assume T not converting to DHT becomes more available for aromatization to E. I was hesitant, but such a minuscule dose of Aromasin for me made a huge difference, nothing but positives. No added joint pain, no loss of energy, nothing.

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

For me E2 became an issue after starting low dose Finasteride. I assume T not converting to DHT becomes more available for aromatization to E. I was hesitant, but such a minuscule dose of Aromasin for me made a huge difference, nothing but positives. No added joint pain, no loss of energy, nothing.

I’m about to start my cycle of 500mg test for 15 weeks. About 4 weeks in I’ll run 20mg anavar for 30 days. I have aromasin on hand but I don’t know if I should throw it in or wait until I have sides.

 

[Ghoul]

I’m about to start my cycle of 500mg test for 15 weeks. About 4 weeks in I’ll run 20mg anavar for 30 days. I have aromasin on hand but I don’t know if I should throw it in or wait until I have sides.

I would wait until you get sides. No need to pile on meds unnecessarily. If sides happen, you won't get irreversible gyno overnight. Even though it takes a few weeks for low dose Aromasin to turn things around, you've got plenty of time once you start feeling nipple sensitivity.

Then in the future you can just start it right away if you're doing the same cycle and know sides are coming.

Like I said, Aromasin seems to be the best AI "on paper", but because of the way it works, it's critical to start low first, and only titrate up a little after a couple of weeks if symptoms don't resolve. Low and slow, and it's a good way to deal with E2 without the sides other, older AIs induce.

 

[Johndoedoedodo]

I wound wait until you get sides. No need to pile on meds unnecessarily. If sides happen, you won't get irreversible gyno overnight. Even though it takes a few weeks for low dose Aromasin to turn things around, you've got plenty of time once you start feeling nipple sensitivity.

Then in the future you can just start it right away if you're doing the same cycle and know sides are coming.

Like I said, Aromasin seems to be the best AI "on paper", but because of the way it works, it's critical to start low first, and only titrate up a little after a couple of weeks if symptoms don't resolve. Low and slow, and it's a good way to deal with E2 without the sides other, older AIs induce.

I heard 12.5 mg Every 3.5 Days. Do u think the 6.25mg is a better dosage?

 

[Eddie.]

Iam 5days in, feeling lethargic as fuck, and getting slight discomfort in my tits.. (early signs of gyno)

Dont want to use AI here, its probably from Ru not from e2, iam on trt 6months now , with the same level +- of tst and e2..
Before RU i was feeling completely right. So no point using AI here

You think RU flares your gyno? How is that possible with your e2 in check? You said your PRL is borderline high which has nothing to do with RU.

And IMO yes, it's better to stop using it since you are already biased with the symptoms, like the plenty of guys who are afraid to use finasteride (including me) because of the potential side effects. Now you have it on your mind and unfortunately even if you're wrong no one can change your mind.

 

[Ghoul]

I heard 12.5 mg Every 3.5 Days. Do u think the 6.25mg is a better dosage?

I was paranoid because it seemed so many guys had "AI trauma" from crashing their E2. With Aromasin, it can take a month or more to recover from that. Similar to "Post Finasteride Syndrome".

So I started at 6.25mg 2x a week figuring I'd increase to 12.5mg after a few weeks.

Turned out not to be needed. That dose resolved all my E2 issues perfectly to my surprise. If I had used twice as much. I'm certain I would've have problems.

Of course, everyone's different, but imo better to start at that low dose and discover you need more, than find out 12.5mg x 3 is way too much, and be messed up for a month.

You want estrogen, it's not the enemy, it has many benefits, just need to reign in the excess amount.

 

[connoristiny]

has anyone used fin and nand together? what was the effect on your hair?

interested in hearing personal anecdotes of this as well. tryna run nand again but dont wanna negate the fin

 

[HU_Master777]

interested in hearing personal anecdotes of this as well. tryna run nand again but dont wanna negate the fin

My friend has been using nand + test + fin(1.25mg) for 3 months now and his hair has had absolutely no damage.

 

[Eddie.]

My friend has been using nand + test + fin(1.25mg) for 3 months now and his hair has had absolutely no damage.

Does your friend have male pattern baldness to begin with? These anecdotes need to come from people who were losing hair with steroids in the first place and now with test-deca and finasteride don't.