WTF? Why is there such a worldwide hatred for steroids?

[mikeh1998]

I come on meso and on every single thread here I see some old timer complain about how these modern teens don't want to listen to the proper ways of using gear. They just wat to do wild stuff and cheat their way.
If that's happening now, what do you think will happen when it is broadly allowed (unrestricted).

I'd like to see stats on the claim that young kids are on steroids more than previous generations. I see this being claimed a lot but I don't believe it. I would bet that steroids were much more common in the 1980s-2000s for example back when they were legal and I would bet that people were starting them way earlier in life than they are now.

Gen Z is way more risk averse and sheltered compared to previous generations. Something like 1/2 don't even have drivers licenses and the age to lose your virginity is going up and up. They are too occupied with social media.

Hell talking to people born after 2005 it feels like they don't even actually use the internet, they just know that they connect to "wifi" and open up Instagram, Discord or TikTok. Half of them cannot even Google or use ChatGPT.

The savvy ones are clever enough to use Reddit. I genuinely don't think they are technically competent enough to actually find steroid source websites and make a Proton Mail account and pay using Bitcoin.

 

[Middus]

Unless gifted genetically, it takes some serious effort to get massive and shredded or even big on AAS.

Who will likely put in such effort? average Joe on the streets or average GI Joe in the barracks?
I mentioned that part to counter the Masses overthrowing the government angle

 

[rxzed]

I cannot imagine any part of the world where using a needle to draw up a substance and inject it into yourself will be anywhere close to accepted.

Insulin?

 

[Bigoldguy]

Compliant? lol. If they were giving only the armed forces access to steroids I would have agreed.
Most of these issues stem simply from a public health/concern perspective.
Even if the origins are political, the way the word is these days will continue to pose a hindrance to acceptance and decriminalization of unprescripted usage.

I come on meso and on every single thread here I see some old timer complain about how these modern teens don't want to listen to the proper ways of using gear. They just wat to do wild stuff and cheat their way.
If that's happening now, what do you think will happen when it is broadly allowed (unrestricted).

Think of all the youtube and rumble talking heads advising about how to take things.
Just look at the peptide world. Only 2 glps are approved, but people are doing all sorts of crazy things with UGL varieties that are still in clinical trials.

Even social media is coming to be restricted in some places. Frikin social media!

We can compare compare to alcohol all we want, but we tend to forget what happened when alcohol was 'scheduled' (more like banned).

I am not convinced this is true that there are countries accepting of steroid use, there are only countries that are ignorant about steroid use. I cannot imagine any part of the world where using a needle to draw up a substance and inject it into yourself will be anywhere close to accepted.

In those parts of the world the people are just not educated about steroids and don't care about steroids.

It's not like in Canada/USA where you see warning signs about them at the gym and news stories about MLB players getting caught using and so on. As social media continues to spread around the world I would bet these countries will ban steroids once the public starts to think about them and hear about how damaging they can be.

I dont agree. Docs in those countries arent ignorant...but the people are given more responsibility. There are plenty of places you can get antibiotics straight from the pharmacist...its up to you to be smart enough to use them. Is this a good method? Maybe, maybe not but it puts the responsibility on the individual, not some politician pandering to his constituents.

 

[rxzed]

Maybe, maybe not but it puts the responsibility on the individual, not some politician pandering to his constituents.

I agree when it comes to minimally addictive drugs. I even believe opioids and such should be legal, but extremely regulated. A drug addict is going to get their high one way or another; having a pharma grade supply of stuff is really integral to harm reduction, and allows for more help to be given. A dead addict can't get sober.

 

[mikeh1998]

I dont agree. Docs in those countries arent ignorant...but the people are given more responsibility. There are plenty of places you can get antibiotics straight from the pharmacist...its up to you to be smart enough to use them.

As far as I know those videos you see of people in Mexico/India/Thailand going to a pharmacy and being able to select anything they want are in shady tourist trap areas that are known for selling fakes and are not popular with the local population and have a very negative connotation. They work by having a corrupt doctor have a 1 minute conversation with you where you tell them what you want and they write a script. As these countries become more developed and less corrupt I am certain these clinics will be banned in no time and locals will support the bans.

Insulin?

Insulin is mostly administered through well known brand name pens which were made to get away from the stigma of drawing up using a needle and injecting yourself, so yes.

 

[Middus]

The way people project responsibility on these fora....
People are dumb as hell out there. We assume everyone is as tempered and reasonable as us. I am not for any minute fooled. Even in semi religious countries I've seen drugs waste a generation.. despite everyone preaching responsibility. In the end the crackdown brought some stability

 

[Middus]

I think some.of you need to spend 4 days on peptide/Glp Facebook groups to get a clearer picture of what slack regulation looks like. Them imagine if they were pinning something with a more narrow range of safety.
When was it again that people are being advised not to eat detergent pods and sniff bath salts..

 

[Bigoldguy]

As far as I know those videos you see of people in Mexico/India/Thailand going to a pharmacy and being able to select anything they want are in shady tourist trap areas that are known for selling fakes and are not popular with the local population and have a very negative connotation

I know quite a few folks from India (fiance is Indian) and yes, there is a shady side but a lot of what you see on those videos is media bias making it look far worse than what it is. You can get legit stuff just as easily...and without prescriptions.

 

[rxzed]

The way people project responsibility on these fora....
People are dumb as hell out there. We assume everyone is as tempered and reasonable as us. I am not for any minute fooled. Even in semi religious countries I've seen drugs waste a generation.. despite everyone preaching responsibility. In the end the crackdown brought some stability

I agree, but this could be applied to everything. Processed foods are a great example. Why are they allowed to be sold with so little regulation, when the consequences of it are comparable to things like steroids. I would argue they're significantly more addictive than steroids too.

 

[mikeh1998]

I know quite a few folks from India (fiance is Indian) and yes, there is a shady side but a lot of what you see on those videos is media bias making it look far worse than what it is. You can get legit stuff just as easily...and without prescriptions.

OK well I am interested to know more. What are we talking about here exactly, are we talking about real actual IP/USP vials of steroids made by a reputable brand like Sun Pharma or Zydus or are we talking about something made by a UGL disguised as a real pharma company like Evolve Biolabs?

 

[mikeh1998]

I agree, but this could be applied to everything. Processed foods are a great example. Why are they allowed to be sold with so little regulation, when the consequences of it are comparable to things like steroids. I would argue they're significantly more addictive than steroids too.

Do you genuinely believe a McDonald's burger is going to do even 1/16th as much damage to your health compared to running a cycle of Tren? That's a completely insane claim. Total nonsense.

 

[Middus]

Do you genuinely believe a McDonald's burger is going to do even 1/16th as much damage to your health compared to running a cycle of Tren? That's a completely insane claim. Total nonsense.

Exactiy

 

[Bigoldguy]

We dont regulate food, we dont regulate cigarettes, we dont regulate booze other than a few laws about age and such. We regulate drugs like steroids strictly because of public opinion. They are not physically addictive (I wont argue with anyone who says they arent mentally addictive but I think that is body image more than anything). You dont see a muscle head staggering down the street looking for a quick hit. You dont see them screaming at passing traffic (unless he's had a bit too much tren maybe), and overall, the amount of health issues caused by gear is low. Id say most guys using them are productive members of society. Should they be lowered on the schedule? I think so...but they should have rules in place just like every other substance that gets abused. Id rather see booze outlawed than gear or pot...people using the last two are a lot easier to deal with.

 

[rxzed]

Do you genuinely believe a McDonald's burger is going to do even 1/16th as much damage to your health compared to running a cycle of Tren? That's a completely insane claim. Total nonsense.

This is a false equivalency. The average person isn't eating a single McDonald's burger. They're eating that burger, going home, eating some icecream, maybe washing it down with a full sugar soda, and then... Well, you get the point. The cumulative damage is probably similar, if not worse.

This also dosen't consider that the average gear user isn't running grams of tren on a cycle. It's just not possible due to the debilitating side effects. On the flip side, since you need food to survive, the average person will continuously eat shit food, regardless of the effects. Many will even eat more food to cope with it. This is not true with gear.

 

[Bigoldguy]

OK well I am interested to know more. What are we talking about here exactly, are we talking about real actual IP/USP vials of steroids made by a reputable brand like Sun Pharma or Zydus or are we talking about something made by a UGL disguised as a real pharma company like Evolve Biolabs?

My fiance is in India right now. Ill have her hit up a pharmacy and see what she can find...hopefully she's game.

 

[Middus]

I agree, but this could be applied to everything. Processed foods are a great example. Why are they allowed to be sold with so little regulation, when the consequences of it are comparable to things like steroids. I would argue they're significantly more addictive than steroids too.

I mentioned this earlier. It is a Temporality issue.
Saturated fats will take forever to kill many people.
Everyone has a story of some dude that ate 3 pizzas a day or 20 burgers per week for 10 years.
Many people talk about an uncle that smoked 4 packs a day and never caught a lick of cancer
Let someone post about 3G of Tren and 90 iu of HGH and folks will be on their arse talmbout natural selection.
When too many people start going e.g opoids and fentanyl, people will demand a crackdown..
Not to mention. The extra political angle where some parents will be up in arms about someone sneaking their child drugs that facilitated an unapproved sex change

 

[Bigoldguy]

My fiance is in India right now. Ill have her hit up a pharmacy and see what she can find...hopefully she's game.

Lol! Just did a little more digging. Apparently India is pushing to regulate OTC sale of things like antibiotics now...sigh...foot in mouth hits again. Ill still see what she can get though.

 

[rxzed]

I mentioned this earlier. It is a Temporality issue.
Saturated fats will take forever to kill many people.
Everyone has a story of some dude that ate 3 pizzas a day or 20 burgers per week for 10 years.
Many people talk about an uncle that smoked 4 packs a day and never caught a lick of cancer
Let someone post about 3G of Tren and 90 iu of HGH and folks will be on their arse talmbout natural selection.
When too many people start going e.g opoids and fentanyl, people will demand a crackdown..
Not to mention. The extra political angle where some parents will be up in arms about someone sneaking their child drugs that facilitated an unapproved sex change

I completely agree. I'm just talking about the hypocrisy in societal acceptance for certain things. Also, I think addictive substances should have heavy regulation; only given to addicts, while also helping them get treatment. The political ramifications would be brutal, though. The majority of the population has no critical thinking.

 

[Middus]

Lol! Just did a little more digging. Apparently India is pushing to regulate OTC sale of things like antibiotics now...sigh...foot in mouth hits again. Ill still see what she can get though.

MDR strains of common infections are now an issue. Local herb sellers would mix rifampicin with their concoctions and sell it to people as chest cleansers. The red urine deceived people that their lungs were being washed and cleansed. Then TB started becoming increasingly resistant. After it was traced, crackdown began but it's too late. There are now hospital units dedicated to those types of patients. Once a patient is sent there, there's no coming back. Stories like these make it pretty easy to run for office on promising regulation..