WTF? Why is there such a worldwide hatred for steroids?

[Sampei]

Do you genuinely believe a McDonald's burger is going to do even 1/16th as much damage to your health compared to running a cycle of Tren? That's a completely insane claim. Total nonsense.

No but how many ppl are interested in a McDonald's burger and how many in a tren cycle?

Plus have you seen super size me? You should watch it.

Now do a tren cycle of 12 weeks and eat McDonald's bigmac for 12 weeks breakfast lunch and dinner and report back who's more harmful

Enjoy

 

[Musmadar]

One argument is that governments discourage steroid use because they don’t want to cover the medical costs of misuse—doctor visits, blood work, and treatments for side effects. However, this logic falls apart when you consider that governments have no issue subsidizing treatments for lifestyle-related diseases like obesity, diabetes, and smoking-related illnesses. If anything, responsible steroid use—especially in a therapeutic context—could save healthcare systems money by promoting better body composition, metabolic health, and long-term wellness.

Big Pharma has no problem selling TRT under prescription, yet anabolic steroids for non-medical use remain illegal. Why? Because a well-educated, self-sufficient user base could cut into profits. If people could legally access and self-manage anabolic compounds with proper education, it would reduce dependence on expensive prescription-based hormone treatments. Keeping steroids demonized ensures the money keeps flowing through “approved” channels.

Steroids are neither inherently good nor evil—they are tools. The problem isn’t the drugs themselves but the lack of education, regulation, and open discussion. If governments truly cared about health, they’d focus on harm reduction instead of blanket prohibition. Instead of scaring people away from anabolic steroids, why not empower them with knowledge to use them safely and effectively?

 

[narta]

Compare that to a typical Tren cycle. 300 Test 200 Tren. That's not some esoteric steroid stack that nobody uses. Tren is the most in demand steroid out there next to Test. Yes, in just 10 weeks you have a significant chance of getting some long term severe health consequence.

I have been running gear for nearly 3 decades and in some cycles ridiculous amounts of them. I somewhat watch my diet not eating crap whenever possible. Three of my close friends are the typical Average Consumer Joe, eating chips, McDonalds and other processed crap in the same time span.

I have nearly perfect health considering my age (bloods are pristine, no BP meds, just a tad of insulin resistance possibly hereditary)

All three of them are on multiple BP and statins, daily antacids. One has already two stents in him.

Tell me about the severe consequences of a single cycle of tren vs eating like a pos all the time.

 

[Musmadar]

About three years ago, before I decided to take my health into my own hands, I had a routine check-up with my doctor. My bloodwork wasn’t great—high triglycerides, high LDL cholesterol, and a high HOMA index (insulin resistance).


Her advice?
"You should eat less meat, cut down on animal fats, reduce dairy, and generally eat less."


I let her finish and then dropped the bomb:
"I’ve been vegetarian for over three years."


Cue silence. She had no follow-up, no explanation—just a blank stare as if her entire nutrition plan had short-circuited.


That moment stuck with me. It made me realize how outdated and generic mainstream health advice can be. Instead of addressing metabolic health, insulin sensitivity, or even questioning if my high-carb vegetarian diet was a factor, she defaulted to the same old script: “Eat less animal products.”


That was a turning point for me. I realized I had to do my own research, experiment, and truly understand my body. And looking back now, after completely transforming my health, I can say—I’m glad I stopped listening.

 

[narta]

just a blank stare as if her entire nutrition plan had short-circuited.

 

[craigdt]

Multiple reasons, most of which are shared among many other things Im into:

Misunderstood

Mischaracterized/fear mongering in the media

Masculinity (in the west)

A few irresponsible users give it a bad representation

 

[mikeh1998]

However, this logic falls apart when you consider that governments have no issue subsidizing treatments for lifestyle-related diseases like obesity, diabetes, and smoking-related illnesses. If anything, responsible steroid use—especially in a therapeutic context—could save healthcare systems money by promoting better body composition, metabolic health, and long-term wellness.

Obesity diabetes and smoking are extremely common health ailments that are well treatable with drugs.

Hypogonadism is extremely rare in comparison to these 3 and it’s not even close. You’re not going to end up in an ICU bed because your 210 ng/dL T level is causing you to gain muscle a little slower and retain more belly fat.

Big Pharma has no problem selling TRT under prescription, yet anabolic steroids for non-medical use remain illegal. Why? Because a well-educated, self-sufficient user base could cut into profits. If people could legally access and self-manage anabolic compounds with proper education, it would reduce dependence on expensive prescription-based hormone treatments. Keeping steroids demonized ensures the money keeps flowing through “approved” channels.

“Big Pharma” is based. I love Big Pharma. What the fuck, is everyone here a communist all of the sudden? You guys don’t like capitalism?

If you’re on this forum a big percentage of your life revolves around acquiring, injecting, procuring, theorizing and talking about drugs made by Big Pharma. Anavar and Primo weren’t synthesized in some bodybuilder’s garage.

I honestly find it pathetic when people whose lives revolve around Big Pharma turn around and pretend like they are above them and victimized by them.

The prescription hormone treatments are extremely cheap. Even cheaper than the domestic UGL sellers sell a vial for here. I have seen coupons posted here allowing people to get a vial of Big Pharma 10 mL Test C for $25 USD. Once again that’s for a properly sterilized product free of pyrogens made in a billion dollar lab under strict regulation.

Every single steroid out there is a generic drug that Big Pharma companies are in a race to the bottom for. If you made this argument about Ozempic I would be like OK whatever. Making this argument about a generic drug like steroids is just completely nonsensical.

Let’s say tomorrow steroids become OTC. What changes? Are you going to go CVS/Shoppers Drug Mart and buy the properly made Pfizer Depo-Trenbolone or are you gonna go to GNC and buy some trash quality Tren made by Jacked Factory?

How the fuck would Big Pharma not make even more sales in this scenario and end up better off?

Big Pharma is Big Pharma because we live in free capitalist countries with free markets. They’re run by high IQ people who know what the fuck they’re doing.

This notion that big companies are only big because of some vague notion of corruption that nobody can actually coherently explain is low IQ cope.

Steroids are neither inherently good nor evil—they are tools. The problem isn’t the drugs themselves but the lack of education, regulation, and open discussion. If governments truly cared about health, they’d focus on harm reduction instead of blanket prohibition. Instead of scaring people away from anabolic steroids, why not empower them with knowledge to use them safely and effectively?

I can’t respond to all these points.

You live in a free country, you have internet access, you are perfectly empowered to educate yourself. The police aren’t kicking your door down for discussing PCT protocols or homebrewing recipes right?

The government pays for your K-12 education where you should have learned how to read and write and use a computer. How should they “empower” you exactly? Literally what can they do? This is just victim mentality persecution complex shit.

Do you want there to be public health campaigns about how there’s so many benefits of taking testosterone and superdrol?

Another thing. You guys keep talking about “the government”. Is everyone here a felon or noncitizen? Is this an immigration forum? You guys know you can vote right? Or lemme guess Big Voting Machine and The Deep State are stopping you from doing that?

Lastly, prohibition worked and in fact was extremely popular, look it up.

 

[Musmadar]

Obesity diabetes and smoking are extremely common health ailments that are well treatable with drugs.

Hypogonadism is extremely rare in comparison to these 3 and it’s not even close. You’re not going to end up in an ICU bed because your 210 ng/dL T level is causing you to gain muscle a little slower and retain more belly fat.


“Big Pharma” is based. I love Big Pharma. What the fuck, is everyone here a communist all of the sudden? You guys don’t like capitalism?

If you’re on this forum a big percentage of your life revolves around acquiring, injecting, procuring, theorizing and talking about drugs made by Big Pharma. Anavar and Primo weren’t synthesized in some bodybuilder’s garage.

I honestly find it pathetic when people whose lives revolve around Big Pharma turn around and pretend like they are above them and victimized by them.

The prescription hormone treatments are extremely cheap. Even cheaper than the domestic UGL sellers sell a vial for here. I have seen coupons posted here allowing people to get a vial of Big Pharma 10 mL Test C for $25 USD. Once again that’s for a properly sterilized product free of pyrogens made in a billion dollar lab under strict regulation.

Every single steroid out there is a generic drug that Big Pharma companies are in a race to the bottom for. If you made this argument about Ozempic I would be like OK whatever. Making this argument about a generic drug like steroids is just completely nonsensical.

Let’s say tomorrow steroids become OTC. What changes? Are you going to go CVS/Shoppers Drug Mart and buy the properly made Pfizer Depo-Trenbolone or are you gonna go to GNC and buy some trash quality Tren made by Jacked Factory?

How the fuck would Big Pharma not make even more sales in this scenario and end up better off?

Big Pharma is Big Pharma because we live in free capitalist countries with free markets. They’re run by high IQ people who know what the fuck they’re doing.

This notion that big companies are only big because of some vague notion of corruption that nobody can actually coherently explain is low IQ cope.


I can’t respond to all these points.

You live in a free country, you have internet access, you are perfectly empowered to educate yourself. The police aren’t kicking your door down for discussing PCT protocols or homebrewing recipes right?

The government pays for your K-12 education where you should have learned how to read and write and use a computer. How should they “empower” you exactly? Literally what can they do? This is just victim mentality persecution complex shit.

Do you want there to be public health campaigns about how there’s so many benefits of taking testosterone and superdrol?

Another thing. You guys keep talking about “the government”. Is everyone here a felon or noncitizen? Is this an immigration forum? You guys know you can vote right? Or lemme guess Big Voting Machine and The Deep State are stopping you from doing that?

Lastly, prohibition worked and in fact was extremely popular, look it up.

Damn bro, you’re really going hard for Big Pharma.

Blink twice if Pfizer is holding you hostage.

Or is this the ‚Big Pharma Tren’ talking?

Either way, I thought we were here to debate, but you sound more like a corporate spokesperson than someone open to discussion.

Did I accidentally stumble into a Merck or Lily PR meeting?

 

[Mongo966]

Obesity diabetes and smoking are extremely common health ailments that are well treatable with drugs.

Hypogonadism is extremely rare in comparison to these 3 and it’s not even close. You’re not going to end up in an ICU bed because your 210 ng/dL T level is causing you to gain muscle a little slower and retain more belly fat.


“Big Pharma” is based. I love Big Pharma. What the fuck, is everyone here a communist all of the sudden? You guys don’t like capitalism?

If you’re on this forum a big percentage of your life revolves around acquiring, injecting, procuring, theorizing and talking about drugs made by Big Pharma. Anavar and Primo weren’t synthesized in some bodybuilder’s garage.

I honestly find it pathetic when people whose lives revolve around Big Pharma turn around and pretend like they are above them and victimized by them.

The prescription hormone treatments are extremely cheap. Even cheaper than the domestic UGL sellers sell a vial for here. I have seen coupons posted here allowing people to get a vial of Big Pharma 10 mL Test C for $25 USD. Once again that’s for a properly sterilized product free of pyrogens made in a billion dollar lab under strict regulation.

Every single steroid out there is a generic drug that Big Pharma companies are in a race to the bottom for. If you made this argument about Ozempic I would be like OK whatever. Making this argument about a generic drug like steroids is just completely nonsensical.

Let’s say tomorrow steroids become OTC. What changes? Are you going to go CVS/Shoppers Drug Mart and buy the properly made Pfizer Depo-Trenbolone or are you gonna go to GNC and buy some trash quality Tren made by Jacked Factory?

How the fuck would Big Pharma not make even more sales in this scenario and end up better off?

Big Pharma is Big Pharma because we live in free capitalist countries with free markets. They’re run by high IQ people who know what the fuck they’re doing.

This notion that big companies are only big because of some vague notion of corruption that nobody can actually coherently explain is low IQ cope.


I can’t respond to all these points.

You live in a free country, you have internet access, you are perfectly empowered to educate yourself. The police aren’t kicking your door down for discussing PCT protocols or homebrewing recipes right?

The government pays for your K-12 education where you should have learned how to read and write and use a computer. How should they “empower” you exactly? Literally what can they do? This is just victim mentality persecution complex shit.

Do you want there to be public health campaigns about how there’s so many benefits of taking testosterone and superdrol?

Another thing. You guys keep talking about “the government”. Is everyone here a felon or noncitizen? Is this an immigration forum? You guys know you can vote right? Or lemme guess Big Voting Machine and The Deep State are stopping you from doing that?

Lastly, prohibition worked and in fact was extremely popular, look it up.

How much tren are you on right now bud?

 

[knucklesamich]

I think folks tend to get a little angry at big pharma for a variety of reasons. Take for instance- I had a little bit of a heart issue about 4 years ago. It wasn't gear, because I wasn't using it at the moment. Was it Covid 19 vaccine? IDK, I can't see into it, but maybe, I see a lot of reports being released, showing a massive list of 'possible' side effects.

So of course I went through the entire procedure of seeing cardiologists and getting ECGs and prescription medicine. Some of the medicine prescribed will keep your heart from undergoing cardiac remodeling (not a good thing, you don't want your heart reshaping itself). One of these medicines is called Corlanor, when I hit the pharmacy, they dropped the bill on me like it was no thing at all--$1000 for 30 days worth. I know the pharmacist doesn't know what I do for a living, they don't know I absolutely CAN NOT afford that, so it's not the pharmacist's fault. The thing is, even if that medicine will save your life, big pharma doesn't care, they'll let you DIE, just because you don't have the kind of insane money they're selling things for. Corlanor shouldn't cost $1000 . . .

I think it's this kind of thing people get upset over. Now in my example, I hit up Good Rx and got the price dropped to $30, took it, along with the other meds and my heart is back to 100%. A LOT of people don't know that's possible though, and they'll scramble to try to get the money, or suffer and possibly die.

 

[Musmadar]

I think folks tend to get a little angry at big pharma for a variety of reasons. Take for instance- I had a little bit of a heart issue about 4 years ago. It wasn't gear, because I wasn't using it at the moment. Was it Covid 19 vaccine? IDK, I can't see into it, but maybe, I see a lot of reports being released, showing a massive list of 'possible' side effects.

So of course I went through the entire procedure of seeing cardiologists and getting ECGs and prescription medicine. Some of the medicine prescribed will keep your heart from undergoing cardiac remodeling (not a good thing, you don't want your heart reshaping itself). One of these medicines is called Corlanor, when I hit the pharmacy, they dropped the bill on me like it was no thing at all--$1000 for 30 days worth. I know the pharmacist doesn't know what I do for a living, they don't know I absolutely CAN NOT afford that, so it's not the pharmacist's fault. The thing is, even if that medicine will save your life, big pharma doesn't care, they'll let you DIE, just because you don't have the kind of insane money they're selling things for. Corlanor shouldn't cost $1000 . . .

I think it's this kind of thing people get upset over. Now in my example, I hit up Good Rx and got the price dropped to $30, took it, along with the other meds and my heart is back to 100%. A LOT of people don't know that's possible though, and they'll scramble to try to get the money, or suffer and possibly die.

The real issue isn’t just the price, but the fact that these companies operate more like profit-driven corporations than humanitarian organizations.

You’ve got research teams, clinical trials that take years (and billions) to complete, regulatory approvals, marketing, legal teams, distribution, and of course, the shareholders expecting returns. Every person in that chain, from the scientists in the lab to the corporate execs, needs to get paid. That’s where the insane price tags come from—not necessarily because the pill itself costs that much to make, but because the entire system surrounding its development and distribution is designed to feed a lot of mouths.

 

[mikeh1998]

Plus have you seen super size me? You should watch it.

No I have not seen it because it would be a waste of time.

After John Cisna, a high school science teacher, lost 60 pounds while eating exclusively at McDonald's for 180 days, he said, "I'm not pushing McDonald's. I'm not pushing fast food. I'm pushing taking accountability and making the right choice for you individually... As a science teacher, I would never show Super Size Me because when I watched that, I never saw the educational value in that... I mean, a guy eats uncontrollable amounts of food, stops exercising, and the whole world is surprised he puts on weight? What I'm not proud about is probably 70 to 80 percent of my colleagues across the United States still show Super Size Me in their health class or their biology class. I don't get it."[27]

A 2006 study on fast food consumption by healthy individuals inspired by the documentary showed that, while the heavy diet does affect liver enzymes, it did not show the same dangerous effect shown in the documentary. This suggested that the extreme reaction must have had another cause,[28][29] and in 2017, Spurlock – who previously told his doctors he did not drink – admitted to copious amounts of alcohol consumption during the making of the film, which some critics, such as documentary filmmaker Phelim McAleer, have argued may better account for his liver issues and other health problems, since he had only changed his diet and not his alcohol intake during the experiment.[30]

Super Size Me - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hexagonal]

Obesity diabetes and smoking are extremely common health ailments that are well treatable with drugs.

Hypogonadism is extremely rare in comparison to these 3 and it’s not even close. You’re not going to end up in an ICU bed because your 210 ng/dL T level is causing you to gain muscle a little slower and retain more belly fat.


“Big Pharma” is based. I love Big Pharma. What the fuck, is everyone here a communist all of the sudden? You guys don’t like capitalism?

If you’re on this forum a big percentage of your life revolves around acquiring, injecting, procuring, theorizing and talking about drugs made by Big Pharma. Anavar and Primo weren’t synthesized in some bodybuilder’s garage.

I honestly find it pathetic when people whose lives revolve around Big Pharma turn around and pretend like they are above them and victimized by them.

The prescription hormone treatments are extremely cheap. Even cheaper than the domestic UGL sellers sell a vial for here. I have seen coupons posted here allowing people to get a vial of Big Pharma 10 mL Test C for $25 USD. Once again that’s for a properly sterilized product free of pyrogens made in a billion dollar lab under strict regulation.

Every single steroid out there is a generic drug that Big Pharma companies are in a race to the bottom for. If you made this argument about Ozempic I would be like OK whatever. Making this argument about a generic drug like steroids is just completely nonsensical.

Let’s say tomorrow steroids become OTC. What changes? Are you going to go CVS/Shoppers Drug Mart and buy the properly made Pfizer Depo-Trenbolone or are you gonna go to GNC and buy some trash quality Tren made by Jacked Factory?

How the fuck would Big Pharma not make even more sales in this scenario and end up better off?

Big Pharma is Big Pharma because we live in free capitalist countries with free markets. They’re run by high IQ people who know what the fuck they’re doing.

This notion that big companies are only big because of some vague notion of corruption that nobody can actually coherently explain is low IQ cope.

I don't mistrust the science side of big pharma, or the quality of the products. I mistrust their business incentives when it comes to curing disease vs. treating it. I don't think they just refuse to do research on cures, particularly for diseases which significant health impact or death is measured on a more acute timeline, but I think that the perpetual treatment of slower-acting disease is a lot better for their bottom lines than curing it.

I'm generally a full-throated capitalist but pharma research is one area where I think socializing the system at least in part would be beneficial - I want the incentives to be aligned to public health and not quarterly earnings reports.

 

[mikeh1998]

I have been running gear for nearly 3 decades and in some cycles ridiculous amounts of them. I somewhat watch my diet not eating crap whenever possible. Three of my close friends are the typical Average Consumer Joe, eating chips, McDonalds and other processed crap in the same time span.

I have nearly perfect health considering my age (bloods are pristine, no BP meds, just a tad of insulin resistance possibly hereditary)

All three of them are on multiple BP and statins, daily antacids. One has already two stents in him.

Tell me about the severe consequences of a single cycle of tren vs eating like a pos all the time.

Sure. I believe you. Some people can do insane amounts of steroids back to back and not get any adverse health effects. I've seen your posts it's clear you know what you're doing and you're very methodical. This isn't the case for the average person who gets on steroids. Far from it.

I don't see how steroid use is correlated to better blood pressure or heart health and so on? You are healthy in spite of using steroids, not because of them.

We have no clue what caused your friends to have these negative effects. I don't see how we can be certain that "processed foods" (once again nobody has actually defined WTF they mean by a processed food or "eating clean") caused them to require those interventions. If your insulin resistance is likely hereditary couldn't their BP issues be hereditary too?

On the flip side couldn't your friends also reverse this and point it at you to make you look bad?

"All I take is a couple BP meds, I'm perfectly healthy. But man, you should see my friend, he's dependent on steroids and his insulin's all fucked up too."

Also, how the hell is using steroids and eating "processed foods" mutually exclusive?

Do steroids make processed foods inedible? Does everyone who uses steroids immediately quit processed foods and just eat locally sourced organic eggs and beef and cabbage?

Steroids are just adding another another health damaging behaviour on top of eating "processed foods". And I'm not going to back down on this, the risk of processed foods is negligible and comparing it to the risks associated with AAS is still nonsensical.

No but how many ppl are interested in a McDonald's burger and how many in a tren cycle?

Plus have you seen super size me? You should watch it.

Now do a tren cycle of 12 weeks and eat McDonald's bigmac for 12 weeks breakfast lunch and dinner and report back who's more harmful

Enjoy

We are talking about steroid users and the affect that steroids have on them right? Yeah I would wager most people who decide to do "just one cycle" will end up using Tren.

The example I gave of 300 Test 200 Tren is not ridiculous. I'm not talking about taking grams of steroids along with insulin and hGH and random peptides and SERMs and AIs on top of it.

Eating 3 big macs per day is unreasonable. A reasonable person's diet would not have 3 big macs. And you know what, even if they did, jack shit will happen. It's really not that dangerous.

 

[mikeh1998]

About three years ago, before I decided to take my health into my own hands, I had a routine check-up with my doctor. My bloodwork wasn’t great—high triglycerides, high LDL cholesterol, and a high HOMA index (insulin resistance).


Her advice?
"You should eat less meat, cut down on animal fats, reduce dairy, and generally eat less."


I let her finish and then dropped the bomb:
"I’ve been vegetarian for over three years."


Cue silence. She had no follow-up, no explanation—just a blank stare as if her entire nutrition plan had short-circuited.


That moment stuck with me. It made me realize how outdated and generic mainstream health advice can be. Instead of addressing metabolic health, insulin sensitivity, or even questioning if my high-carb vegetarian diet was a factor, she defaulted to the same old script: “Eat less animal products.”

I don't even know what to say man, this is ridiculous.

So you walked into the doctor's office without disclosing basic information about your diet, what did you expect her to say? Her advice is a good first line treatment. Vegetarians still eat animal products like butter and dairy.

I swear to fucking God you guys need your headphones taken away. You guys genuinely think you're smarter than doctors who went to med school for years and have dealt with hundreds of patients.

Did you expect her to give you a Peter Attia Andrew Huberman-tier response right off the bat? Should she have given you 50 referrals and tests and recommended supplements and peptides and shit?

That was a turning point for me. I realized I had to do my own research, experiment, and truly understand my body. And looking back now, after completely transforming my health, I can say—I’m glad I stopped listening.

You stopped listening after a 50 second conversation with your doctor? You didn't respond back and try to explain your concerns in detail and advocate for yourself and have a dialogue with her? Instead of deciding to seek a second opinion you just ragequit listening to doctors altogether? Is that not unreasonable to you?

 

[Musmadar]

I don't even know what to say man, this is ridiculous.

So you walked into the doctor's office without disclosing basic information about your diet, what did you expect her to say? Her advice is a good first line treatment. Vegetarians still eat animal products like butter and dairy.

I swear to fucking God you guys need your headphones taken away. You guys genuinely think you're smarter than doctors who went to med school for years and have dealt with hundreds of patients.

Did you expect her to give you a Peter Attia Andrew Huberman-tier response right off the bat? Should she have given you 50 referrals and tests and recommended supplements and peptides and shit?


You stopped listening after a 50 second conversation with your doctor? You didn't respond back and try to explain your concerns in detail and advocate for yourself and have a dialogue with her? Instead of deciding to seek a second opinion you just ragequit listening to doctors altogether? Is that not unreasonable to you?

I don’t know what’s worse—the fact that you’re 26 or 27 years old and you talk like you know something or that your ADHD might be more severe than you realize.

Either way, you’re a waste of my time.

 

[mikeh1998]

Either way, I thought we were here to debate, but you sound more like a corporate spokesperson than someone open to discussion.

Yeah well you sound like the smartest guy at the checkout line at Circle K waiting to buy cigarettes and scratch offs.

What you posted was just generic "yeah bro they like don't want you to be healthy because they can't make money of you, it's like the politicians and the corporations working together to prevent us from awakening dood" slop.

I already picked your comment apart. Anyone can feel free to give me a serious reply.

I am genuinely dumbfounded here. Why can nobody just say "yeah steroids are kinda risky but I'm OK with the risk". This deflection to comparing it to processed foods is dumb.

The question was why are steroids stigmatized. It's because they are dangerous. Simple.

I mistrust their business incentives when it comes to curing disease vs. treating it. I don't think they just refuse to do research on cures, particularly for diseases which significant health impact or death is measured on a more acute timeline, but I think that the perpetual treatment of slower-acting disease is a lot better for their bottom lines than curing it.

This is just more baseless conspiracy shit. GLP-1's came out and completely wiped out the market for all the crap drugs that were used for weight management 5 years ago.

We have free markets. If there's an opportunity to cure something someone will take it.

I'm generally a full-throated capitalist but pharma research is one area where I think socializing the system at least in part would be beneficial - I want the incentives to be aligned to public health and not quarterly earnings reports.

The incentives are aligned to public health, if a drug company invents a drug that is safe and effective they get the rights to sell it exclusively for years. That's a great incentive. Companies risk hundreds of millions developing and trialing new drugs that never get released. It doesn't make sense to pay for this with public money.

How much tren are you on right now bud?

0.

I think it's this kind of thing people get upset over. Now in my example, I hit up Good Rx and got the price dropped to $30, took it, along with the other meds and my heart is back to 100%. A LOT of people don't know that's possible though, and they'll scramble to try to get the money, or suffer and possibly die.

The price was so high because they had to cover my salary.

I would wager practically every single life saving drug has a payment assistance program made by the pharma company to drastically reduce the price for people who cannot afford it.

 

[mikeh1998]

I don’t know what’s worse—the fact that you’re 26 or 27 years old and you talk like you know something or that your ADHD might be more severe than you realize.

Yeah I used my massive fucking giga brain (powered by Vyvanse™) to conclude that steroids are bad for your health.

Either way, you’re a waste of my time.

Why post in the thread or use this site at all then. Someone disagrees with you and suddenly you're too important to reply?

 

[hexagonal]

This is just more baseless conspiracy shit. GLP-1's came out and completely wiped out the market for all the crap drugs that were used for weight management 5 years ago.

GLP-1s are also a 'on it forever' drug. Lilly and Nordisk both say the expectation is to be on them for life, even after reaching goal weight. So, this tends to support my point?

Smart capitalists also know that sometimes you have to cannibalize your own customers with a new product if you don't want to be left behind. Ruining the market for other perpetual treatments by introducing a better perpetual treatment also does nothing to diminish my point.

(And to be clear, I'm a big proponent of GLP-1s. They've been a hugely positive thing in my life and I'm grateful to big pharma for developing them.)

 

[mikeh1998]

GLP-1s are also a 'on it forever' drug. Lilly and Nordisk both say the expectation is to be on them for life, even after reaching goal weight. So, this tends to support my point?

Okay fair enough. You have a point there. But they will drastically reduce the demand for other diabetes and weight loss medication to the point that those drugs might not even exist in 30 years.

At the end of the day I don't see a point in humanity's future where we don't need drugs to survive. A lot of drugs are "on it forever" drugs like antidepressants. Once the drugs become generic there will be a ton of competition to knock the prices down and the profit margins will be razor thin like they are for SSRIs.