Super interesting documentary on antibiotic resistant bacteria if you're interested. Farms are mostly to blame, but over prescription has certainly not helped.
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WTF? Why is there such a worldwide hatred for steroids?
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I work in the medical field...deal with a lot of patients who have it. Its not just farms, its doctors caving in to patients in the past also. Someone sniffles, give them a Z pack even if its viral and not bacterial. Have a cold? Have an antibiotic. People go to the doctors with expectations of getting something and antibiotics are the first thing that come to mind for them.
100%. There's just way more livestock than humans, and many farms will use it as prevention. This is especially true in countries with minimal regulation.
mikeh1998
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I think that if controlled substances like benzos, amphetamines, modafinil and so on were easily available OTC in India you would read insane stories about students getting addicted to it recreationally or to boost their academic performance. Imagine the moral panic that there would be especially in a country where every religion has a major taboo against drugs.
When you look at the blister pack of pharma tadalafil or eszopiclone you get off PCT vendors/Indiamart it often says "for export only." meaning those products aren't actually for sale in India. Same for UGL stuff like Evolve Biolabs stanozolol tablets, the label says "EXPORT ONLY" at the bottom.
I'd bet with controlled substances like benzos there's no chance you can get those even at the shady pharmacies with the corrupt doctors.
Steroids, maybe. But even then they are likely fakes. This is the case with a lot of the ampoules from Pakistan that were popular 10-20 years ago. Plenty of people would buy them overseas but locals knew they were fake BS.
Getting steroids or even something like modafinil in the countries we mentioned is a probably an "underground" activity similar to trying to source benzos in Canada/USA.
1 burger vs a cycle of tren? Do you have the order of magnitudes correct there?
Not sure if this is up to date but this is, at least, some of their banned drugs.
I don't see adderall or related drugs, but, apparently, naproxen and tylenol is too far.
In countries where it is available, people take 'em, get addicted, some.die, no one cares. Tramadol addicts are meme material if they die theirr either cautionary stories or people want the stuff they were on as it was clearly "the good stuff"
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mikeh1998
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What's a good enough magnitude for you? 10 burgers? 10,000?
If you eat a McDonald's burger every single day for 5 years you will be perfectly fine. If you do 1 Tren cycle you can wreck your health in the span of just 10 weeks.
If you really think that "eating processed foods" is in the same ballpark as using steroids IDK what to say.
This is just one step removed from heroin addicts saying "yeah well everyone drinks coffee in the morning, that's a drug too right?".
If processed foods were only McDonald's hamburgers, and they were only ate for one meal, you be right. The problem is, they aren't the only processed foods, and they aren't only eaten for one meal. You're taking the most conservative side, and comparing it to the most extreme. How do you not see the disingenuity of that.
mikeh1998
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Okay, fuck the McDonald's burger. Whatever "processed foods" (as if there is a standard definition for what's processed and what's not) you imagine a person eating within reason throughout the day. Corn Flakes. Wonderbread. Tropicana OJ. Coke Zero. Popeye's 2 pc chicken. Whatever. Literally nothing will happen. It's perfectly safe.
Compare that to a typical Tren cycle. 300 Test 200 Tren. That's not some esoteric steroid stack that nobody uses. Tren is the most in demand steroid out there next to Test. Yes, in just 10 weeks you have a significant chance of getting some long term severe health consequence.
You bring up a good example of acute vs chronic toxicity and relative risk. Personally I'd never use tren but I've done the cycle above with nandrolone decanoate instead of tren. Long term severe health consequence? Not that I can tell. 1 year of escitalopram messed me up much worse than the nandrolone and hasn't reversed after 1.5 years.
It's a little bit of a flawed comparison. One manifests over months, years and decades, the other comes on within a day or two.
If you take issue with there being no strict definition of processed foods, you gotta do the same thing with with "perfectly safe."
Yes, but you have to compare the average use case.
A gear user will use the Tren, which will no doubt cause health markers to plummet, and then come off, allowing them return to a 'baseline' of sorts. This will not be lethal immediately. Objectively, some level of damage has occured, but, similarly to obesity, the damage that ultimately causes morbidity or mortality, is accrued over time. A gear user will go off, on average, say +-7 years? (Just a guess, not sure how accurate it is, more likely an overstatement, than under.)
*Most gear users rarely use tren, if ever*
On the flip side, an obese person, addicted to processed foods, will continue to eat them until they either: A) Decide to quit as it's harming their health, which rarely happens; or B) Continue to eat them until they die, or cause irreversible harm. Of course there's more nuance, but that's the most common cases. The idea that health complications don't occur until you're in old age is false.
We are truly only now beginning to see the effects of cheap, readily available, highly processed foods, and really, the obesity epidemic as a whole.
Slowww
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considering you haven’t been or lived in or discussed anabolic use with people in any of those places, I don’t think you can assume everyone is ignorant because their perception of an issue isn’t the same as the popular opinion in your own country.
Maybe people just don’t care how an adult chooses to spend their time or don’t have a stigma about injections as some kind of degenerate behavior associated with recreational drug use. People inject other shit too for beauty practices, and even can do their own vaccinations, for themselves and animals. Because there isn’t like some sort of fentanyl epidemic where people are rotting limbs off, there’s no image problems relating to needles lol.
Bro if it is only people are ignorant about it, why can I talk to my endocrinologist and GP about it without judgement, and receive treatment and advice regarding PEDS and hormones?
Do you think they don’t have the same level of social media propagation of content in other countries? It’s been here lol. People just care about different things.
The perception here is that if you are aware of the risks, and are taking steps to prioritize health, do not glamorize or incentivize use among minors and are competing or preparing for a sports competition there is no real criticism.
There is 100% different medical culture here. You can take a kid in to get human growth hormone treatment from clinics if you think they aren’t tall enough. You can get hormones without a prescription because they aren’t controlled. All antibiotics are over the counter, but for example medicine for ADHD is heavily controlled, and almost impossible to access, same with things like Xanax etc
Mongo966
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Absolutely.
The combination of poor genetics and shitty food kills people in their early 30's more often than I think most people realize. Young people have heart attacks and strokes all the time.
Just like with steroids, genetics are the name of the game. Some people just can't afford to fuck around.
Both of you guys are rock hard when you put your tinfoil hats on. Don't even try to deny it.
AlexDavis43
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Total anecdote but when I was in high school in the 90s, steroids were definitely going around. I started not long after.
brutalbuilt
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you probably believe everything you watch on the news
Yeah don't tell me... Ffs
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