Ateam2023
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another useful bit of information,,
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Benzyl benzoate vs ethyl oleate on inflammation markers in the blood
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bighunanballs
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That's my point in making this thread. I believe the EO complaints are far exacerbated than what actually takes place in real life. EO can be a carrier oil along with solvent like properties even greater than miglyol. I'm thinking the people parroting the EO complaints are probably just reading stuff online and mimicking what they heard.
Also the point of the thread is to reiterate EO can be used in recipes and you can lower BB. BB is a known carcinogen and is far more poisonous than EO. I just thought it was interesting to discuss this point on here.
bighunanballs
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Carrier oil is a solvent. The definition of solvent is something that dissolves a solute, that's it. H2O is literally called the universal solvent. So EO or any "carrier oil" is indeed a "solvent".
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Mig840 has better "solvent" properties then EO in my opinion but I could be wrong. I'll test it out after my experiment with mig840, can't do it together or I'll not understand which one is giving me issues or raising CRP (in case they do)
I had a sneaking suspicion that it did have something to do with faster absorption... Because when I added it to a bottle of tren ace.. that shit changed almost completely overnight, you could almost taste it every time you did a shot, and it started nailing me with tren cough left and right... It was almost like it was causing premature instantaneous absorption, I didn't know if it was in my head or not. I used to be a IV drug user many years ago, and that is what happens when you inject something you can taste it immediately before it hits the brain, now Even if I do a small shot of that tren in my quad or somewhere new, I can fucking taste it almost immediately, even if I don't get tren cough... I honestly wish I never added it to that vial because it wasn't like that until I added EO to it
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bighunanballs
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try EO out for yourself and report back, ive had the opposite experience. EO is typically a stronger solvent but neither Mig nor EO has ever cause me any inflammation or PIP issues outside of the said hormone i was brewing. Guiaicol is a different story altogether. Just like Mig, EO is quite havily refined and anhydrous. you dont want to leave any of these oils uncapped for very long when brewing or they'll lose some of their dissolvability efficacy when they start hydrating with atmospheric moisture.
This is what I want to learn about because I've heard this argument back and forth 20 different f****** ways and everybody has their own opinion, some guys swear BB is harmless other guys say it isn't, some guys say EO is straight up poison, there's just so much conflicting information coming from so many different sources
TheScholarOfBrew
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Never had test U crash in the muscles and I used upwards of 350mg/ml in mine....... Must be something else
nullandvoid
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I bought bulk from a source early last year. hs-CRP is historically low and stable, but past few times I have had labs, starting last summer, it has crept upward each time. Come to find out, that source put EO in everything, regardless of need. 10% in everything. Everything is pretty well controlled otherwise, so I have to wonder if that's the cause. I'll be done with their oils in the next four months or so and will be switching. Interested to see if CRP reverses its trend.
I'm worried of CRP increase so first I need to finish my MIG840 test than I'll run an EO test and then I'll see if my body agree with both I'll mix them up for some nice recipes.
I never get pip from any specific carrier oil but that doesn't mean the oil/solvent is not fucking with my body in some ways. So need first to be sure about it
Photon
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Whats a good CRP value?
Obviously the lower the better, but what are most of your CRP's at when not blasting?
Mines been stable for quite awhile at 0.3 -- using China UGL Test U (330mg/ml - MCT/BB/EO).
Obviously the lower the better, but what are most of your CRP's at when not blasting?
Mines been stable for quite awhile at 0.3 -- using China UGL Test U (330mg/ml - MCT/BB/EO).
nullandvoid
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Just dug out lab results with dates.
Prior to the first one, all hs-CRP labs were under 1.0. I spot checked and saw 0.7 and 0.6 for two over two years previous.
8/28/23 - 0.8
5/8/24 - 1.6
8/7/24 - 1.5
1/22/25 - 2.3
5/8/24 is a few months after starting that source's oils. "Everyone uses EO and lies about it." That was his excuse. He never disclosed he used it up until that point. I would not have purchased from him had I known that because I'm sensitive to everything. Remarkable how all the sources prior didn't cause an issue.
I don't know, maybe I have another issue going on, but I'm pretty healthy. Diet is tightly controlled, and I am very fit, especially for my age. We'll see later this year.
Prior to the first one, all hs-CRP labs were under 1.0. I spot checked and saw 0.7 and 0.6 for two over two years previous.
8/28/23 - 0.8
5/8/24 - 1.6
8/7/24 - 1.5
1/22/25 - 2.3
5/8/24 is a few months after starting that source's oils. "Everyone uses EO and lies about it." That was his excuse. He never disclosed he used it up until that point. I would not have purchased from him had I known that because I'm sensitive to everything. Remarkable how all the sources prior didn't cause an issue.
I don't know, maybe I have another issue going on, but I'm pretty healthy. Diet is tightly controlled, and I am very fit, especially for my age. We'll see later this year.
bighunanballs
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its worth stopping and continuing your blood testing and see if it goes down. did any compounds change over this time? orals added, diet changes and other things can have huge impacts here as well. really needs to be some controlled testing to narrow down the EO as the cause honestly
nullandvoid
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It'll be stopping here in a few months anyway because I'll just be running out and buying from elsewhere. Everything has really been pretty static. All food is clean, counted, weighed, and logged. I don't drink. I do experiment a lot (antiaging and such), but nothing has been sustained over that entire period of time. The Accutane run I am finishing up is probably the longest "experiment" I've run, and the CRP started increasing a good 6+ months prior. I dropped all orals a few years ago and haven't gotten back on them. I ran Anavar year round for a few years, and while my lipids were definitely pushing borderline, hs-CRP was relatively untouched. Once I dropped it, lipids normalized nicely. But that long pre-dates the suspect oils.
But I've had many instances of red herrings, and it may ultimately not bear itself out later this year after I've switched sources. Or it may be hs-CRP will fall, but it's really just a complete coincidence. I'll get labs later this year after I've been on some new oils, and if I'm still alive post what I find.
Something that is below the limit xD
Last time I pulled I had 0.58 after 12 weeks cycle of Test EQ NPP HGH and other stuff.
I got PIP from a botched injection and retested it and it was 1.8 xD
CRP is highly sensitive to any kind of inflammation in the body so sometime it can be really anything fucking it up BUT if it keeps being elevated it's the gear 99%.
While I was using QSC primo 200 my CRP was 2.5 at one time then it went to 5-7 lol
I stopped using it and it went back to normal. Go figure.
espresso123
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Interesting point, also had my phyiscian talking to that topic, as you said CRP can be elevated by literally anything.
But as you are intelligent enaugh, correlation does not nesseccarily mean causality. With these topics we need to go trial and error and put out as much info as possible to share amongst us regarding harm reduction.
But thanks for pointing it out, what carriers did QSC use?
A while ago sesame but more recently they switched to mct
Or atleast this is what they said
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