Benzyl benzoate vs ethyl oleate on inflammation markers in the blood

[Sampei]

Interesting point, also had my phyiscian talking to that topic, as you said CRP can be elevated by literally anything.

But as you are intelligent enaugh, correlation does not nesseccarily mean causality. With these topics we need to go trial and error and put out as much info as possible to share amongst us regarding harm reduction.

But thanks for pointing it out, what carriers did QSC use?

MCT.

I'm running a cycle of gear brewed with mig840 for 12 weeks. I'll draw blood for CRP every two weeks so 6 total data point. If my CRP is elevated the whole 12 weeks it's definitely the mig840.

This is the only way I find it will give me some real data and even one botched injection or whatever can't fuck up the average. So if my CRP will never go back to 0.5 or something close to that like it was on my previous 12 weeks cycle without mig840 I'll have my answer.

 

[espresso123]

MCT.

I'm running a cycle of gear brewed with mig840 for 12 weeks. I'll draw blood for CRP every two weeks so 6 total data point. If my CRP is elevated the whole 12 weeks it's definitely the mig840.

This is the only way I find it will give me some real data and even one botched injection or whatever can't fuck up the average. So if my CRP will never go back to 0.5 or something close to that like it was on my previous 12 weeks cycle without mig840 I'll have my answer.

Interesting my CRP went up using MCT (different brand back then) aswell. But not to that degree you mentioned. Thats why I discussed with my qualified physician about it who knows what Im doing.

So yea, it makes sense what you are stating here. But we would need more evidence to be 100% sure to make a statement.

May I ask how many CC you used ?

 

[Sampei]

Interesting my CRP went up using MCT (different brand back then) aswell. But not to that degree you mentioned. Thats why I discussed with my qualified physician about it who knows what Im doing.

So yea, it makes sense what you are stating here. But we would need more evidence to be 100% sure to make a statement.

May I ask how many CC you used ?

How many cc when?

 

[espresso123]

How many cc when?

When CRP went up significantly over time using QSC 200mg/ml Primo E

 

[Sampei]

When CRP went up significantly over time using QSC 200mg/ml Primo E

4ml of primo a week

 

[dinfar1337]

try EO out for yourself and report back, ive had the opposite experience. EO is typically a stronger solvent but neither Mig nor EO has ever cause me any inflammation or PIP issues outside of the said hormone i was brewing. Guiaicol is a different story altogether. Just like Mig, EO is quite havily refined and anhydrous. you dont want to leave any of these oils uncapped for very long when brewing or they'll lose some of their dissolvability efficacy when they start hydrating with atmospheric moisture.

these mf complaining about pip is bitches, as long as it isnt a big infection or allergic reaction i could care less about some pain in my ass.

 

[ener_sc59]

I've switched exclusively to using EO as a carrier because it gives me absolutely no issues — it injects smoothly like water. For me, it's the best option out there.


Does anyone have a recipe or formulation guide for making a compound using EO as the carrier oil?


Thanks in advance!

 

[nullandvoid]

ChatGPT, give me a solvent I can use that will raise my cardiac inflammatory markers as quickly and reliably as possible.

 

[Ateam2023]

I've switched exclusively to using EO as a carrier because it gives me absolutely no issues — it injects smoothly like water. For me, it's the best option out there.


Does anyone have a recipe or formulation guide for making a compound using EO as the carrier oil?


Thanks in advance!

so what compound have you "switched exclusively to using EO as a carrier"? or are you asking to be "spoonfed" recipes? Tia!

 

[ener_sc59]

so what compound have you "switched exclusively to using EO as a carrier"? or are you asking to be "spoonfed" recipes? Tia!

Sorry, i use DeepL for the translation because my English is not the best, sorry.

I switched the lab and it use EO. I don’t have nothing (no PIP) and it is very thin. So I check the threads at homebrew but no recipes with EO

 

[IndividualMan]

I switched the lab and it use EO. I don’t have nothing (no PIP) and it is very thin. So I check the threads at homebrew but no recipes with EO

EO seems to increase inflammatory markers quite a lot in some people.
High inflammation -> bad, especially in the long term. molests your joints, cardiovascular system, skin (sometimes), really everything in your body.
It is slowly poisoning you, and once you really notice it you might have done some real damage.
Some people report no raise in inflammatory markers ( mainly C-reactive protein), so for some people it might be fine.

I would not make it my goal to consume as much EO as possible. Seems unhealthy. but you do you

 

[BamaCrazy]

On 5/7 I had labs. The day before labs I injected TNE with guaiacol, and both my glutes and lats had knots and inflammation from Primo (Stan’s 150). My CRP-Cardiac was 8.56 (0.00-3.00). My last Primo injection was 5/7. When I got labs again on 5/19 my CRP was 2.33.

It’s a toss up which one caused the issue. Maybe both. But I’m done with compounds that cause constant inflammation.

 

[ener_sc59]

EO seems to increase inflammatory markers quite a lot in some people.
High inflammation -> bad, especially in the long term. molests your joints, cardiovascular system, skin (sometimes), really everything in your body.
It is slowly poisoning you, and once you really notice it you might have done some real damage.
Some people report no raise in inflammatory markers ( mainly C-reactive protein), so for some people it might be fine.

I would not make it my goal to consume as much EO as possible. Seems unhealthy. but you do you

Based on my research, this hasn’t been confirmed. EO is also commonly used in the pharmaceutical industry. I’ll be doing regular blood work to monitor any changes. Thanks for the heads-up anyway.

 

[Photon]

EO is also commonly used in the pharmaceutical industry.

That's not a good comparision.
All china UGL oils have EO at different %.
How many times and mls of EO are you injecting on a weekly basis?
and then you compare this to
How many times and mls of EO are people injecting from pharma products?

Unless you are on pure TRT, you will be pretty much be using a crap load more EO on China oils than pharma. Ofc whether this is an issue or not, do your regular blood work.

 

[ener_sc59]

All china UGL oils have EO at different %.
How many times and mls of EO are you injecting on a weekly basis?
and then you compare this to
How many times and mls of EO are people injecting from pharma products?

I know what you mean. Of course, it was just a hint that it’s also used that way in the pharma industry.

I’ll see what my blood test results say after some time.

 

[Sampei]

That's not a good comparision.
All china UGL oils have EO at different %.
How many times and mls of EO are you injecting on a weekly basis?
and then you compare this to
How many times and mls of EO are people injecting from pharma products?

Unless you are on pure TRT, you will be pretty much be using a crap load more EO on China oils than pharma. Ofc whether this is an issue or not, do your regular blood work.

How many time a woman does progesterone injection for fertility ? It's a genuine question...and how many ml are those injection?

 

[Photon]

How many time a woman does progesterone injection for fertility ? It's a genuine question...and how many ml are those injection?

I have no idea lol

 

[BamaCrazy]

How many time a woman does progesterone injection for fertility ? It's a genuine question...and how many ml are those injection?

200mg a day for 25 days. Rest 5 days. Start over.

Pills. Not injection. This is my Wife’s prescription

Edit: Oh. I missed the fertility part. This is Hormone replacement therapy

 

[Sampei]

200mg a day for 25 days. Rest 5 days. Start over.

Pills. Not injection. This is my Wife’s prescription

Edit: Oh. I missed the fertility part. This is Hormone replacement therapy

Yeah EO is used for progesterone injection for fertility, progesterone in 100% EO. It's really loved for the smoothness of injection compared to the other carrier oil used for those injection, a bit more expensive but seems like the users really like it.

I wanted to see if anyone knew about it so we could calculate for how long they inject it and what quantity they were injecting it.

It's not something that can be compared to cycling for months years using EO but it could be interesting at least.

I'll dig more to see if I can find any info.

If one use 20% EO on a recipe on average you are injecting something like 1.2/1.5ml of EO every 6ml of gear on a 300mg average concentration of oils. If the concentration is higher the % of EO injected is less.

We are talking 6ml a week it's not a small cycle but neither the biggest. Average I would say.

So I wanted to compare it to those progesterone injection to see the difference in volume.

Anyway it will be next test. I have almost finished my mig840 assessment and it seems it doesn't raise my CRP at all (mig840) after this experiment ends I'll try EO in a 20% quantity for any recipe I use and see if it does raise my CRP after 8/10 weeks of continuous use.

It will take some time but I'll get to the bottom of this

 

[Sampei]

Ok I got it!

So progesterone injection are 1ml a day every day for 8 to 12 weeks. The patented recipes for progesterone injection using EO as the main carrier oil have 38% of EO on average. It means a woman is injected on average 2.7ML a week of EO for a duration of 8 to 12 weeks.

It's 2.25x compared to what a BB would inject if he is using 6ml a week of oils with 20% of EO as a carrier oil.

Now of course we should assume that they don't really care much maybe about CRP raise in case of progesterone injection for IVF, I guess... I mean something like: it's not great but it's worth it because the goal (fertility) is more important and it's only a temporary drawback (the inflammation).

Compared to someone blasting shit for years.

So there is that but it does put things I perspective right?

Even at 20% EO in a recipe you don't inject that much EO.

I'll still run my test, I just wanted to give you all a better idea and some datas