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Anabolic Steroids

More food on cycle = more growth?

malfeasance said:
Well, reddit can be full of BS.

You can see the logs of bodybuilders here in real time, not made up after the fact. They tell you what they are eating, injecting, and how they are working out and what the scale says today.

There is an IFBB pro in the logs, and you can follow his journey fro the bottom of the amateurs, complete with failures and his dream delayed, in real time as it happens. I guarantee he is not adding 40-60 pounds each cycle. And he is not using the amounts of steroids you are proposing to use now, and he is chasing a Mr. Olympia qualification. We are truly blessed to have him here, rather than him disappearing and asking the owner to take down probably the most valuable thread the site has ever had.

I would urge you to make an effort to sift the wheat from the chaff.

We have some high quality logs here - I am not ashamed to admit I stole lots of information from Mac11wildcat's log to modify my own diet and gear use - resulting in some minor success in bodybuilding as a result (local show win overall at an age older than you are now)

Go and read them.

Consider a coach, as well. That is 10,000 times better than a reddit thread.

Apologies if I confused somebody else's response for yours. I did not jumble things up intentionally.
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You’re all good, and again thank you. I’m 24 btw I’m not sure if I mentioned that
 
mrsloppyboo said:
Thanks for that write up I genuinely appreciate that. Even if wanting to push to open size is it still better to gradually increase gear each cycle and not go so high in dose so soon? I see so much different advice everywhere. Reason I say 60lbs is because I see half the guys on Reddit saying they gained 40-60lbs each cycle, some gain 30lbs. It’s always a crazy amount. Lots of different things people have said. For example Nassar El Sonbaty stated his first cycle was 1.5g of AAS and each cycle after that was 2g, 3g, 4g, even stating he’s went up to 10g as well as stating he used 15iu HGH daily throughout his pro career. Obviously he died young so not an amazing example but that just gives me a relative idea of what some guys do to reach open size. Same with Rich piana, not a good example in the slightest just giving examples of people I know to be truthful about what they do. I seem to have a pretty good response to gear nothing incredible. Realistically I know I’m going to have to push the dose eventually for each my goal, it’s just a matter of knowing when to push. Also I think you’re confusing another guys response with mine lol. Last question for ya do you think the illness at the very end of my last cycle caused a major loss in my gains? I was amazed how much I shrunk even after the water dropped
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Anyone on reddit gaining 60 pounds on one cycle isn't telling you about the fifty pounds of water they pissed away a month later.
 
BigDadd7 said:
Anyone on reddit gaining 60 pounds on one cycle isn't telling you about the fifty pounds of water they pissed away a month later.
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If I run this cycle how much weight do you think is realistic to gain In 24 weeks? How much of that do you estimate will be contractile tissue?
 
malfeasance said:
:D

I am definitely confusing two different posters.

SORRY. LOL.

I'll keep it straight moving forward.
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It's all good. I was just giving input regarding the 60 pounds of gain. I put on 70 lbs over the course of 4 years.

A lady at work today asked me why I always weigh my food. She wanted to know my goals. When I told her I had gained 70 lbs she looked me up and down and said "I can't imagine you weighing 70 lbs less". It really is crazy. It's hard to imagine a person putting on that much weight and looking good.
 
mrsloppyboo said:
If I run this cycle how much weight do you think is realistic to gain In 24 weeks? How much of that do you estimate will be contractile tissue?
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Hard to say. In my opinion most of us can't really see ourselves clearly. Body dysmorphia, etc. I'm so thankful I did dexa scans along the way so I have some data to show my progress.

Last dexa scan I did showed 13.43 lbs of lean mass increase over a 16 week cycle followed by the start of a cut. I was running test/deca for that one. 2nd cycle ever. I was down about 1lb of fat as well since the previous scan.
 
Sixtynine said:
Last dexa scan I did showed 13.43 lbs of lean mass increase over a 16 week cycle followed by the start of a cut. I was running test/deca for that one. 2nd cycle ever. I was down about 1lb of fat as well since the previous scan.
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Just FYI, lean mass on Dexa is everything but bone and fat. That includes water. I am not saying that yours is water, lol, but just to keep that in mind. Puff up with high estrogen and glycogen and water, and Dexa will show a higher lean mass and therefore also a lower body fat percentage.

It is just something to be aware of.

If you had already lost that first 8-10 pounds of water on your cut, then yours was not water.
 
BigDadd7 said:
Depends on your genetics. If you walked away with ten pounds of lean muscle after the water loss, it would be amazing.
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Some real talk, here.

But keep in mind that 2.5 cycles a year at 7-10 pounds each (average 8.5 pounds) over five years is 106.25 pounds, so . . . unlikely.

Every cycle when you are bigger is more and more difficult to add any size.

Add 10 pounds first cycle that you keep after dropping water.

Add 8 the next.

Add 7-8 the next.

That is 25 or 26 pounds of meat. I am not talking about water.

You cannot just keep gaining like that forever. Everybody hits a ceiling, and as you get closer to that ceiling, it is harder and harder to gain.

And eating? Why do you think modern bodybuilders have distended stomachs? They are stuffing themselves with more and more food constantly.

But I picked five years on purpose, because the OP will not even be 30 by then.
 
malfeasance said:
Some real talk, here.

But keep in mind that 2.5 cycles a year at 7-10 pounds each (average 8.5 pounds) over five years is 106.25 pounds, so . . . unlikely.

Every cycle when you are bigger is more and more difficult to add any size.

Add 10 pounds first cycle that you keep after dropping water.

Add 8 the next.

Add 7-8 the next.

That is 25 or 26 pounds of meat. I am not talking about water.

You cannot just keep gaining like that forever. Everybody hits a ceiling, and as you get closer to that ceiling, it is harder and harder to gain.

And eating? Why do you think modern bodybuilders have distended stomachs? They are stuffing themselves with more and more food constantly.

But I picked five years on purpose, because the OP will not even be 30 by then.
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So say I manage to gain 10lbs of contractile tissue on this cycle. Bringing me to 179lbs around 8 or 9% after I cut. What should I expect from future cycles? 7lbs for a 4th cycle? 5lbs for a 5th? Is it true muscle can only be built at a certain rate regardless of drugs and food even if every growth pathway is utilized? I keep thinking back to rich piana gaining 48lbs of stage weight in a year, obviously I’m not going to do what he did bc he’s dead but just using him as an example
 
malfeasance said:
Some real talk, here.

But keep in mind that 2.5 cycles a year at 7-10 pounds each (average 8.5 pounds) over five years is 106.25 pounds, so . . . unlikely.

Every cycle when you are bigger is more and more difficult to add any size.

Add 10 pounds first cycle that you keep after dropping water.

Add 8 the next.

Add 7-8 the next.

That is 25 or 26 pounds of meat. I am not talking about water.

You cannot just keep gaining like that forever. Everybody hits a ceiling, and as you get closer to that ceiling, it is harder and harder to gain.

And eating? Why do you think modern bodybuilders have distended stomachs? They are stuffing themselves with more and more food constantly.

But I picked five years on purpose, because the OP will not even be 30 by then.
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why 2.5 cycles a year, its stressful on your body coming on high doses and to low dosages so much. just run freaking long ass 6-9 month cycles if you're not competing to put on mass and spend rest of the year cutting
 
dinfar1337 said:
why 2.5 cycles a year, its stressful on your body coming on high doses and to low dosages so much. just run freaking long ass 6-9 month cycles if you're not competing to put on mass and spend rest of the year cutting
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Over the course of my time being on gear (little over 1 year) I was able to get in 1 cycle, 1 cut, and majority of a second cycle so like 1.8 cycles per year. So far I prefer longer cycles (20-24 weeks)
 
mrsloppyboo said:
Over the course of my time being on gear (little over 1 year) I was able to get in 1 cycle, 1 cut, and majority of a second cycle so like 1.8 cycles per year. So far I prefer longer cycles (20-24 weeks)
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yeah i did 6 months aswell, until i didnt care about length and just went about bloodwork. and now im just doing 9 months on and rest time for recovery by choice. Having high androgen load in your blood for long while bulking is what puts size on. this 12 week bullshit is not it
 
dinfar1337 said:
yeah i did 6 months aswell, until i didnt care about length and just went about bloodwork. and now im just doing 9 months on and rest time for recovery by choice. Having high androgen load in your blood for long while bulking is what puts size on. this 12 week bullshit is not it
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Do you think 2.7g plus HGH and slin for a third cycle will put on significantly more size than something more reasonable like maybe 1g +HGH? I want to reach open size the fastest and healthiest way possible but I also know nobody is going to advise me to very high dose wise for anabolics. I basically want to be Rich Piana #2 except not do cocaine
 
mrsloppyboo said:
Do you think 2.7g plus HGH and slin for a third cycle will put on significantly more size than something more reasonable like maybe 1g +HGH? I want to reach open size the fastest and healthiest way possible but I also know nobody is going to advise me to very high dose wise for anabolics. I basically want to be Rich Piana #2 except not do cocaine
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haha ive never ran that high lmao. more gear = more growth no doubt just make sure you dont die. try to increase by smaller increments like 200mg a month and add in needed supplements to get bloodwork in order. Ik this a harm reduction forum but i just dont see anyone trying to go pro not running incredible amounts of gear on their offseason stack. few grams of testosterone wont hurt you
 
dinfar1337 said:
haha ive never ran that high lmao. more gear = more growth no doubt just make sure you dont die. try to increase by smaller increments like 200mg a month and add in needed supplements to get bloodwork in order. Ik this a harm reduction forum but i just dont see anyone trying to go pro not running incredible amounts of gear on their offseason stack. few grams of testosterone wont hurt you
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That Mac11Wildcat guy seems to not run huge doses and he’s a fucking monster. Then again I here shit like Rich Piana, Boston Lloyd, Nassar El Sonbaty, Dallas Mccarver, all the guys that are open talking about using grams and grams to grow massive amounts of tissue. Confuses the hell out of me. People like Jordan Peters openly stating he’s ran 6g of gear but then telling his clients to use the minimal effective dose. What I’m worried about is shooting myself in the foot and causing myself to have the need to use super high doses early on. People tell me that more gear won’t make me grow faster at this point in time this being my third cycle then I use common knowledge and anecdotal evidence to realize that more gear with absolutely result in more growth
 
mrsloppyboo said:
So say I manage to gain 10lbs of contractile tissue on this cycle. Bringing me to 179lbs around 8 or 9% after I cut. What should I expect from future cycles? 7lbs for a 4th cycle? 5lbs for a 5th? Is it true muscle can only be built at a certain rate regardless of drugs and food even if every growth pathway is utilized? I keep thinking back to rich piana gaining 48lbs of stage weight in a year, obviously I’m not going to do what he did bc he’s dead but just using him as an example
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mrsloppyboo said:
Do you think 2.7g plus HGH and slin for a third cycle will put on significantly more size than something more reasonable like maybe 1g +HGH? I want to reach open size the fastest and healthiest way possible but I also know nobody is going to advise me to very high dose wise for anabolics. I basically want to be Rich Piana #2 except not do cocaine
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At 169 pounds, the doses you are talking about are insane.

They are also not necessary.

I've been over 250, I have won an overall on stage, and I have never touched the sort of doses you are discussing. And I am not genetically blessed. If anything, I am the opposite.

Please, please, please stop looking for validation here and just go read this thread.

Mac11wildcat

Thread 'Daily Log to 2019 Show Season'

Hey guys,

Been here for about a week and have so far thoroughly enjoyed the forum.

Considering putting in the effort to keep a daily log here as I hit an offseason growth period and move in to show season in 2019 covering my diet, training, and gear.

This won’t be a how-to guide on how to compete; that’s impossible to write. I’m not a pro but I am competing with what i think, given my progress, is a reasonable goal of becoming one. My training/gear/diet are not by any means extreme, overly interesting, or devised by an evil genius. However, in the YouTube/social media era, I think...
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That man already posted here in your thread. His thread starts in 2018, and he shares pretty much everything. Just read it and soak it in. Reading the entire thread will take a long time. It will, however, be worth the time spent, and it will be far more valuable than the time you are spending in this thread.

Then make up your mind about whether you are going about things the correct way or maybe you need to adjust some things.
 
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