Benzyl benzoate vs ethyl oleate on inflammation markers in the blood

[Mac81]

I just posted somewhere this morning about EO.. I want to experiment with higher amounts of it just because of what I've learned by using extremely small amounts of it.. just a couple percent of it added to a recipe will take something that would crash every 2 weeks and completely fix it permanently. Anytime I get something that I was experimenting with and I mixed too strong, I had a tiny bit of EO to it.. boom it's fixed.. One of these days I want to actually use a significant amount of it, I feel like it would make all sort of things hold it much higher concentrations than normal, The only thing I don't like is the absorption rate, I notice a huge difference with short esters, particularly tren.. You can literally feel it absorbing into the body right after you inject it,and taste it.. I think it does something similar to what DMSO does, I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

In theory you can replace the BB completely with EO,I'm dying to try it,lol from what I have seen so far,it's blows BB totally out of the water.. maybe not.. perhaps they need each other working together, I intend to find out eventually, It sucks nobody on here ever talks about it, or even messes around with it, They kind of have it wrote off as poison, so the full capabilities of it aren't completely known.

 

[H&M]

If you have ever used Ukrainian pharmacy testosterone made with 100% Ethyl Oleate, you would not be afraid to use EO instead of oil. I think that there are elderly athletes from the post-Soviet republics, they should remember it, since the injections were soft and painless. Sometimes it was added to painful and thick oils to dilute them and reduce the chance of nodules after injections. They remember it with nostalgia. So do I.

That is testo propionate 5% from Farmak.
Still available on the official product list.

 

[Sampei]

In theory you can replace the BB completely with EO,I'm dying to try it,lol from what I have seen so far,it's blows BB totally out of the water.. maybe not.. perhaps they need each other working together, I intend to find out eventually, It sucks nobody on here ever talks about it, or even messes around with it, They kind of have it wrote off as poison, so the full capabilities of it aren't completely known.

You can't replace BB with EO, solvent capabilities are no where near BB at all.

You can replace part or totally the carrier oil with EO but I don't recommend it. Too low viscosity, prone to leak SubQ same as mig840.

Best use of EO in my opinion if your body tolerate it is to add it in a reasonable % to the recipe, from 5 to 20% is a good tradeoff.

It will make test C/NPP not crash and will smooth out the injection if you are using thicker oils. I find it mostly useless If you are using MCT as it's already thin enough to be injected easily.

Remember that EO has a very short shelf life so it's not great to use it as carrier oil.

 

[Photon]

The only thing I don't like is the absorption rate, I notice a huge difference with short esters, particularly tren.. You can literally feel it absorbing into the body right after you inject it,and taste it..

That's cause it makes the oil thinner.
I's the same as how you use thicker oils like castor to extend half life vs thinner oils like MCT. EO is very thin.

Shorter shelf life, oxides quicker, destroys rubber but yet weaker solvent properties than BB. I don't plan to ever use it.

 

[Sampei]

That's cause it makes the oil thinner.
I's the same as how you use thicker oils like castor to extend half life vs thinner oils like MCT. EO is very thin.

Shorter shelf life, oxides quicker, destroys rubber but yet weaker solvent properties than BB. I don't plan to ever use it.

I'll run an experiment during autumn to check if EO raise my CRP etc.

It's an interesting addition in low % to thin out the oil and increase solubility and avoid some substances to crash but I would never substitute it and use it as a carrier oil.

 

[Mac81]

That's cause it makes the oil thinner.
I's the same as how you use thicker oils like castor to extend half life vs thinner oils like MCT. EO is very thin.

Shorter shelf life, oxides quicker, destroys rubber but yet weaker solvent properties than BB. I don't plan to ever use it.

I've never messed with any thicker oils.. just GSO and MCT.. I didn't know that it was thinning it out,I only ever have added very tiny amounts of it to recipes, The only thing I noticed was the color changing, and the solubility greatly increasing, I didn't really think such a small amount would have any effect on how thick or thin it was, at least I didn't notice it visually.. interesting..

 

[Mac81]

I still have 50ml of test to blow through,then I'm going to dig everything out and experiment.. I want to try replacing half the BB with it,and try replacing all the BB with it.. and I want to try replacing half the carrier oil with it.. could all be a waste of time but I have plenty of test to dick around with. Ultimately,I want to see if 400mg or 500mg is possible with Test C....

 

[Sampei]

I still have 50ml of test to blow through,then I'm going to dig everything out and experiment.. I want to try replacing half the BB with it,and try replacing all the BB with it.. and I want to try replacing half the carrier oil with it.. could all be a waste of time but I have plenty of test to dick around with. Ultimately,I want to see if 400mg or 500mg is possible with Test C....

Yeah Is possibile and then you will die of PIP good luck

 

[Mac81]

You can't replace BB with EO, solvent capabilities are no where near BB at all.

You can replace part or totally the carrier oil with EO but I don't recommend it. Too low viscosity, prone to leak SubQ same as mig840.

Best use of EO in my opinion if your body tolerate it is to add it in a reasonable % to the recipe, from 5 to 20% is a good tradeoff.

It will make test C/NPP not crash and will smooth out the injection if you are using thicker oils. I find it mostly useless If you are using MCT as it's already thin enough to be injected easily.

Remember that EO has a very short shelf life so it's not great to use it as carrier oil.

Only make as much as I need... thank you for that, I had no idea it didn't store well. Probably why it was shipped to me in a brown glass bottle.

 

[Sampei]

Only make as much as I need... thank you for that, I had no idea it didn't store well. Probably why it was shipped to me in a brown glass bottle.

If your EO is intense yellow colour it has oxidize btw

 

[Mac81]

do you mean like this? There's 3 ml in there, The rest is MCT and BB.

 

[Mac81]

I don't know I just pulled some of it out of a vial into that syringe, It looks clear to me... But it turned that vial of test C that Amber color when I added it.. I have no idea I'm not sure what's going on there

 

[Sampei]

It's perfectly fine, it has a slightly yellow tint naturally, if it becomes intense yellow like the colour of a lemon it's oxidised

 

[Photon]

I don't know I just pulled some of it out of a vial into that syringe, It looks clear to me... But it turned that vial of test C that Amber color when I added it.. I have no idea I'm not sure what's going on there

I think Test by itself is amberish.
My vial of test also looks similar without EO.

 

[Mac81]

I think Test by itself is amberish.
My vial of test also looks similar without EO.

I'm color blind it sucks... I just remember the last time I got a hold of it, The whole bottom of the vial looked like rock candy, I could have sworn it was clear.... I heated the whole thing up in a bowl of hot water, added 3 ml of EO, shook it up real hard and it's been good ever since. For some reason I thought it took on a amber color. You guys are probably right, lol

 

[Photon]

How many days of rest do you guys take before each labtest?
I usually take about 2 days off but does it really make a difference?

 

[BamaCrazy]

How many days of rest do you guys take before each labtest?
I usually take about 2 days off but does it really make a difference?

I also take 2 days off. Weightlifting can increase CK, temporarily alter thyroid and liver function tests and increase white blood cell count. But I’ve learned after dozens of labs that 2 days isn’t enough to allow levels to completely normalize so I guess it’s better to just be aware.

 

[Ateam2023]

i tried taking a few days off because of ast/alt numbers being affected, they do seem to slightly lower than last time,, but alot of factors come into play,,

 

[Duke309]

i tried taking a few days off because of ast/alt numbers being affected, they do seem to slightly lower than last time,, but alot of factors come into play,,

Takes more like a week off for my ast/alt to lower back down to baseline from training.

 

[Photon]

Bumping this old thread.
Is there any way to determine which is "safer" to use long term in general, assuming one does not have any reactions to either substances?

With China oils (EO) or Mig840, my hsCRP returns nicely at ~0.3.
No lumps, pip, allergic reaction or anything of that sort.

For most brews, i have been using the least amount of BB and then relying on the low viscosity of Mig840.

The below are the SDS of common oils

812

https://tr.organic-materials.com/cms/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/MIGLYOL_812_NF_MSDS_GB.pdf

840

https://www.haenseler.ch/userdata/custom_files/security_sheet/29340000_EN.pdf

EO

https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNumber=AC410292500&countryCode=US&language=en

BB

https://www.fishersci.com/store/msds?partNumber=AC105860010&productDescription=BENZYL+BENZOATE%2C+99%2B%25+1LT&vendorId=VN00032119&countryCode=US&language=en

Based of SDS LD50 (how reliable for our use?), 812 > EO > 840 > BB?
812 is the only one approved for IV, which makes it safest?
840 does breaks down to PG, which may not be ideal, but synthetic 840 doesn't oxidize, vs EO which does.

812 -> Glycerol and FFA
840 -> PG + FFA
EO -> Ethanol + FFA

Is there any way to determine which is "safer" to use long term in high quantities? or does it not matter because we're not using enough of anything to make a difference?