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[nullandvoid]

I'm greedy, too. That's why I buy his stuff.

 

[BigNate78]

I don’t know what your usual dose is, but 15mg / wk is the most common maintenance dose of Tirz.

Years ago, I started with a 0.25mg dose of Sema, which was like getting hit in the stomach with a brick, and it took 7 months to slowly titrate up to the (then) 2.4mg max dose, and staying on that, which eventually felt like nothing. I don’t mean appetite returned to what it was previously like it lost effectiveness,, just that once you’re at the “set weight” for a given dose you don't feel anything. Unless you manage to gain weight, then effects return until you go back down.

I eventually switched to Tirz for the liver fat clearance, starting at 7.5mg, titrating to 15mg.

I didn’t need or want more weight loss, and only dropped a couple of pounds. But metabolic markers all improved. I’ve been on 15mg for 2 years now, and feel nothing from it. As in, I just eat however I see fit, and stop when full, which is essentially my maintenance calories. I can go a little above that when putting on mass without a problem.

My partner is on 5mg for maintenance, any more and she drops too much weight.

As a rule though, the higher of a dose you can use as a “don’t feel anything” long term maintainance dose without losing too much weight, the better off you are, since all the non-weight related health benefits of GLPs increase with higher doses. Lower inflammation, more vasodilation, better organ protection, slower aging via less oxidative stress, better body composition, etc.

It’s worth being patient, slowly titrating up, and getting to the highest stable dose of your GLP of choice that still allows you to eat enough so you can get the most of the other health protective effects.

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Dude 15 is like max dosing

 

[hellogre2]

You don't buy "his stuff", you buy stuff from someone that probably has the access of tracy old id, probably someone from the US warehouse or someone that put money on it and is now trying to absorb the loss.

 

[BigNate78]

The response was meant to point out (for the benefit of others, not necessarily you) that higher doses offer more long term non-weight loss benefits.

These aren’t simple diet pills, the way you seem to think they work. They’re hormones. Response varies tremendously between individuals based on baseline levels and receptor density, which are genetically determined Some 300lb person could not be able to go above 5mg without losing excessive weight, while another who’s 175 might not lose anything at 10mg, or even be a complete non responder at 15mg.

If youre a non responder at 15mg youre a fatass still eating like a pig amd never changing your diet

 

[hellogre2]

If youre a non responder at 15mg youre a fatass still eating like a pig amd never changing your diet

Neh, it's called HEAVY MAX maintenance dose, but only for the inflammation, organ protection, better body composition (read WEIGHT LOSS).

 

[nullandvoid]

You don't buy "his stuff", you buy stuff from someone that probably has the access of tracy old id, probably someone from the US warehouse or someone that put money on it and is now trying to absorb the loss.

Ok, I buy "someone's stuff," Mr. Semantics. You haven't spent any time reading his Telegram obviously, or you'd be able to tell it is actually the old Tracy. No one took the time to build a Tracy GPT to 100% mimic his writing, style, sarcasm, etc. It's definitely him. All this recent few days of a few people coming back in to shit on things is nothing new. You aren't changing minds. You aren't a shining beacon of justice. No one gives a shit and is just going to keep on buying.

 

[hellogre2]

Ok, I buy "someone's stuff," Mr. Semantics. You haven't spent any time reading his Telegram obviously, or you'd be able to tell it is actually the old Tracy. No one took the time to build a Tracy GPT to 100% mimic his writing, style, sarcasm, etc. It's definitely him. All this recent few days of a few people coming back in to shit on things is nothing new. You aren't changing minds. You aren't a shining beacon of justice. No one gives a shit and is just going to keep on buying.

This is definitly not him. But whatever I have other cause to fight than an old source that owe shit ton of money to our community, gaslighting people, treat them like shit while selling garbage kits at garbage price, probably for, at one point, be a HOT seller for one compound. That'll last a few weeks, maybe months and watch the story repeat itself.

 

[Ghoul]

Dude 15 is like max dosing

The guidance from Eli Lily has patients start at 2.5mg, and titrate up another 2.5mg, every four weeks (four pens per box, so it’s always four weeks) or until side effects are tolerated, OR until reach goal weight is reached, and stop the dose at that point, or drop back one level, and stay at maintenance indefinitely, like insulin. It’s not intended to stop taking it after weight loss is finished.

I had been good at 7.5mg, and just wanted the max dose so I’d get extra and “share” with someone (you can remove the internal cart from the pen, and split the dose).

By very slowly titrating up, I didn’t crush appetite, and HS-CRP, lipids, BP, and AIC improved with every increase, until 15mg was tolerable, until eventually it felt like nothing.

In the extended trials, almost everyone regardless of starting weight or total weight loss reached a maintainance dose of 15mg, by slowly titrating, with a few who couldn’t go passed 10mg.

“In SURMOUNT‑4, 92.7% of participants achieved a 15 mg maintenance dose; 7.3% remained at 10 mg ”

The current trial is Surmount MMO, 15,000 people using Sema, Tirz, or Reta for 5 years (going on long after weight loss stops, usually 1 year), to measure the direct cardiovascular protection for non-diabetics, non-weight loss users.

https://joe.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/view/journals/joe/263/1/JOE-24-0046.pdf?

 

[nullandvoid]

I'm at 15mg a week and 8% body fat. Sure that's with an InBody, but the scans have been consistently under 9% for a while now. Maybe closer to 10% with error, because the lower you get, the more inaccurate the impedance scanners become. However, I don't think that qualifies as a fat ass. I feel good. It doesn't create any gastro issues, and it's perfectly sustainable. By the time the next dose rolls around, I've still got good suppression, but I can tell it's wearing slightly off due to a tendency to dip into some extra cashews. People want to hate this shit because it flies in the face of convention. It's supposed to be hard. It's supposed to require ironclad willpower, or it doesn't count. However, that same logic can apply to AAS. We should all be natural, or it doesn't count. It's just another tool, and it's a damned good one.

 

[pistonpump]

Judging by the responses I got I think this is the real Tracy. If u have better sources than good for you but buying a kit for 60 compared to 150 from someone who I got all legit gear from in the past is a chance I'll take. Sucks that people are owed from the last shutdown. But man qsc was the balls with price and quality and the large collection of compounds available.

 

[BigNate78]

The guidance from Eli Lily has patients start at 2.5mg, and titrate up another 2.5mg, every four weeks (four pens per box, so it’s always four weeks) or until side effects are tolerated, OR until reach goal weight is reached, and stop the dose at that point, or drop back one level, and stay at maintenance indefinitely, like insulin. It’s not intended to stop taking it after weight loss is finished.

I had been good at 7.5mg, and just wanted the max dose so I’d get extra and “share” with someone (you can remove the internal cart from the pen, and split the dose).

By very slowly titrating up, I didn’t crush appetite, and HS-CRP, lipids, BP, and AIC improved with every increase, until 15mg was tolerable, until eventually it felt like nothing.

In the extended trials, almost everyone regardless of starting weight or total weight loss reached a maintainance dose of 15mg, by slowly titrating, with a few who couldn’t go passed 10mg.

“In SURMOUNT‑4, 92.7% of participants achieved a 15 mg maintenance dose; 7.3% remained at 10 mg ”

The current trial is Surmount MMO, 15,000 people using Sema, Tirz, or Reta for 5 years (going on long after weight loss stops, usually 1 year), to measure the direct cardiovascular protection for non-diabetics, non-weight loss users.

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https://joe.bioscientifica.com/downloadpdf/view/journals/joe/263/1/JOE-24-0046.pdf?

Love how people try to use the suggestee dosing and even jump peoples shit for using low dose. Its only recommendations as they cant go based off of everyone as every person is different or lazy expecting the drug to do all the work for them while continuing to be trash eaters non exercising. If youve got to get into MAX dosing then theres issues that need to be addressed prior too. Its like dumbasses that stack tirz and reta or one of the 3. I dont think in any way max dosing is healthy one bit

 

[Ghoul]

Love how people try to use the suggestee dosing and even jump peoples shit for using low dose. Its only recommendations as they cant go based off of everyone as every person is different or lazy expecting the drug to do all the work for them while continuing to be trash eaters non exercising. If youve got to get into MAX dosing then theres issues that need to be addressed prior too. Its like dumbasses that stack tirz and reta or one of the 3. I dont think in any way max dosing is healthy one bit

Can you elaborate on the issues you think using the max pharma doses cause?

 

[bubba618]

Love how people try to use the suggestee dosing and even jump peoples shit for using low dose. Its only recommendations as they cant go based off of everyone as every person is different or lazy expecting the drug to do all the work for them while continuing to be trash eaters non exercising. If youve got to get into MAX dosing then theres issues that need to be addressed prior too. Its like dumbasses that stack tirz and reta or one of the 3. I dont think in any way max dosing is healthy one bit

You might consider that max dosing refers to maximum tested and confirmed in clinical trials, but that clinical trials evaluating higher dosages are ongoing. In other words, we don't currently know what a maximum dose really looks like, yet.

 

[Ghoul]

You might consider that max dosing refers to maximum tested and confirmed in clinical trials, but that clinical trials evaluating higher dosages are ongoing. In other words, we don't currently know what a maximum dose really looks like, yet.

For Sema, it was 2.4mg for years. Then when Wegovy came out for weight loss, they found a percentage of weight loss non-responders at the max dose of 2.4mg. They had new trials going up to 7.2mg, larger doses worked for the former non-responders, and there were no safety issues, just the usual side effects people have when starting GLPs. Since Tirz max dose was based on Sema’s max GLP-1 receptor agonism, it’s likely there’s plenty of room in Tirz’a dose too, but no one can say for sure because GIP is also involved. Too much may cause some problem.

You *know* there have been some out there who’ve been hoping these drugs would make people’s eyes fall out, develop penile cancer, or some other well deserved “punishment” for “cheating fatties”.

Or just pharmaphobia. The belief there can be no benefit without some equal, or worse harmful effect in return. (Not unreasonable given past experience, but things have changed in the last few decades).

30 years of GLPs, and the only long term negative effect seems to be people living longer than pension funds and social security would like.

 

[SpicyMeatball]

Dude 15 is like max dosing

Hate to be the one to break the news but the guys around here sometimes take things outside of pharma guidelines.

 

[endtropy]

Hate to be the one to break the news but the guys around here sometimes take things outside of pharma guidelines.

What? You don't think my PCP would be on board with a gram of tren weekly?

 

[ackmack78]

Debating on whether I want to order more of their 40iu GH. Only ordered 2 kits and it's a pretty good deal. But want to see some feels reports along with my own too before I commit too hard

 

[BigNate78]

180 for 36iu kit hahahahahahaha again fuck tracy

 

[tweek]

180 for 36iu kit hahahahahahaha again fuck tracy

Oh damn. I think my last purchase from them was 135 a kit

 

[Cimcity]

Debating on whether I want to order more of their 40iu GH. Only ordered 2 kits and it's a pretty good deal. But want to see some feels reports along with my own too before I commit too hard

I got the 36iu kits a few weeks ago before the testing came back at 40iu so it was $300 shipped for 2 kits. And I’ve already placed a couple orders with QSC the last few months (var and cagri) so I know they always ship fast… TA within a week and good communication.

Everything seems legit. Hands get numb on 4iu if I don’t move them like when reading in bed. IGF levels tripled from an abysmal 51 to 159. I never did business with Tracy back in the old days because I wasn’t in the game back then, but I’ve had nothing but really positive experiences so far in these last couple months.