Phreezer's First cycle FAQ

Lil-BIG-Man said:
Pheezer....I got three more questions for ya, if you don't mind....1. Would cycle #3 be too much for a first cycle? (just out of curiousity) 2. By eating plenty while cycling, would 20x your body weight be enough? and 3. At the end of my bulking and recovery cycle, i will not be able to lift for 2 months because i will be leaving to basic training....is there anything i can take before leaving to help reduce any muscle loss? Thanks again for all the info!
Just some experience talking here. I went to basic training after my 3rd cycle in a row. You lose pretty much everything. The cardio that is givin to you is way more than you can sustain your mass. I would wait until after basic. That was a big mistake for me. Looking good for a bunch of guys for a couple months? Doesn't sound right does it LOL
 
Phreezer said:
YOUR FIRST CYCLE Walkthrough by Phreezer

First things first... I AM NOT A DOCTOR! I do not believe in the real use of Steroids. I believe that for Role playing purposes it is fine to discuss the use, but no one SHOULD ever take steroids unless they are under the direct supervision of a doctor!!! Do NOT take what I say Seriously, This thread and all posts that I make on this board are not to be used for real world application. EVERYTHING I SAY IS FOR ROLE PLAYING PURPOSES ONLY! AGAIN!! DO NOT USE ANY KIND OF ILLEGAL DRUGS!

This thread is intended for the Inexperienced AAS user. In this thread
I will cover Simple steroid administration and three simple cycles. Along with simple Post cycle recovery, all in One place, so you dont have to search multiple threads. If youre about to do your first cycle, I hope you will find this thread beneficial.

Ill begin with the basics, Needle size, Drawing your oil from a vial,
And injection techniques.

NEEDLE SIZE: Typical needle size for most oils is 22 24 gauge 1 1 .
For ease of use, I am recommending glute shots. For these I suggest a 23 gauge
1 Needle. (Good places to get needles is www.getpinz.com and www.carecenter.com
These sites also sell amp openers which is something I also recommend)

DRAWING OIL: First, Remove the cap from your needle; draw back about 1 cc of air.
Insert the needle into the rubber stopper on the vial; slowly push the air inside the vial.
This will increase the pressure inside of the vial making the process of drawing the oil
Easier. Now draw the desired amount. Remove the needle and cap it. Unscrew the old needle and put a new needle on the syringe. Drawing will always dull a Needle. Dull needles hurt, and needles are too cheap to be stingy with them. Change the needle!
Next, turn the syringe up (needle tip up) and slowly press the plunger Until you have a couple of drops of oil come out of the tip, you can tap the syringe to get Any small air bubbles out but it isnt necessary. For opening amps, obviously an amp opener is easiest. However if you dont have one or simply dont want to bother with getting one its not that big of a deal. Using a metal file, score the neck of the amp all the way around the amp. Wrap the amp in a Klenex and snap off the top. Inspect the oil for any glass fragments, very rarely do any glass fragments ever get inside the amp. Set the amp down on a flat level surface. Uncap your syringe and put the needle all the way to the bottom of the amp inside one of the corners. Slowly and steadily, draw the oil from the amp by pulling back on the plunger, If your careful, you wont have to change the needle. If you bump the needle into the glass bottom of the amp, you should probably change it. Believe it or not, this will seriously dull a needle. And Dull needles Hurt.


INJECTION TECHNIQUE: You may want to experiment with your injections on an orange before you move onto your body. Locate the outer middle/upper section of your glute. For a picture go to www.spotinjections.com there is even a video that will show you the entire process. The correct injection site is critical. Believe me, you dont want to
Put a needle into your sciatic nerve. Using your free hand take three fingers and stretch the skin over your injection site. This will keep the needle from bouncing off your skin and will also reduce bleeding and oil leakage after you remove the needle. The hole made
By the injection will become covered by the skin you stretched out of the way.
When you start your injection insert the needle in straight, do not go at a funny angle or move your hand around while inserting. When you insert the needle you may want to go slow (Trust me, it really isnt that painful). Push the needle all the way in, using two fingers pull the plunger back about a quarter of an inch; check for air bubbles (You should see a couple of small air bubbles come in the chamber of the syringe when pulling back on the plunger) [This is called ASPIRATING Never inject any where in your body without first ASPIRATING] If you pull back on the plunger and blood comes into the syringe, Immediately REMOVE the needle from your glute; Your about to inject into a vein and that would be very bad. In fact its dangerous. Usually the vein will just collapse but the oil could get to your heart, this would be very painful and potentially deadly.

Now back to Injecting.

Youve put the needle in, youve aspirated, and youve got a couple of air bubbles. Now slowly and steadily inject the oil until the syringe is empty. Remove the needle; with an alcohol treated cotton ball apply slight pressure to the injected site and massage gently for about 30 seconds to help disperse the oil. Thats it. Be sure to properly dispose of your needles. Its not fair to Otto the garbage man if he has to get stuck with one of your used needles because you were too lazy to dispose of it properly.

I hope this didnt sound Complicated, because it really isnt. Believe me, I played ball with guys who used AAS, and they couldnt spell their names the same way twice in a row. If these idiots can do it, so can you.

Now onto cycles. All cycles will be 9 weeks in length and involve bi-weekly injections.

CYCLE ONE: So easy your grandmother might consider going on. This is a test only cycle. I am using Sustanon in this example but enanthate or cypionate can be used in the same manner. I like sustanon because its cheap, its readily available, its quick acting, and its very effective. Later on Youll learn Sustanon is better EOD because of the proprionate in it, but for your First cycle, this method of BI weekly injections will be VERY effective.

Week 1-9: 500mg Sustanon
250mg per injection. Alternate Glutes.

I dont believe frontloading is really necessary for a first cycle and sustanon is self tapering so you dont need to worry about slowly lowering the dosage (I believe tapering off is Bullshit anyway, but some people believe in it) Ill address it if anyone wants me to.

CYCLE TWO: Sustanon and Deca. (Once again Im using Sustanon as the example but the substitution of Enanthate or Cypionate will yield similar results.

Deca is very good for strength and is helpful in allowing you to keep your gains. It does have some negative side effects. The worst of these being Deca Dick Deca shuts down the bodys production of testosterone rather quickly. By itself you will lose your sex drive almost completely. Without Testosterone you will find it difficult to achieve and maintain an erection. (Captain Winky Just wont stand at attention) This is why it is always recommended to stack Deca with some form of test. Deca also takes longer to clear your system. That is why one will typically stop administering Deca about two weeks prior to the conclusion of your cycle.

Weeks 1-7: 500mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
1st weekly injection 250mg Sust, 2nd weekly Injection 250mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
Weeks 8-9: 500mg Sustanon
1st weekly injection 250mg Sust, 2nd weekly Injection 250mg Sustanon

CYCLE THREE: Sustanon, Deca, D-bol

This time we are going to add an oral to the cycle. The injectables will be administered in the same manner as CYCLE TWO.

D-bol is one of the better oral steroids out there, and stacks very well with test and deca. Its been around for a long time. Arnold was once even quoted saying D-bol the breakfast of champions. However D-bol isnt candy and should be used correctly.
D-bol is 17-alkylated, and as with most orals is hard on the liver. Because of this I recommend buying some Milk thistle and supplementing this along with your cycle. D-bol is fast acting and will give you slight strength and slight mass gains rather quickly.
Some of the sides of D-bol are increased water retention, increased blood pressure, itchy skin, redness of neck and ears. All of these symptoms are fairly mild and differ from person to person. You may experience none of these, some of these or all of these. Everyone is different. Just monitor yourself and if you become too uncomfortable stop using the d-bol.

Weeks 1-4: D-bol 25-30mg ED (Broken up over three dosages through the day) 500mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
Weeks 5-7: 500mg Sustanon, 300mg Deca
Weeks 8-9: 500mg Sustanon

THATS IT!

Any of these cycles will give you good results providing your training, diet, and rest are all up to par. These cycles will also help give you a better understanding of AAS administration. Whichever one of these cycles you try may depend on your comfort level, your fear, or some financial restriction.

I feel that post cycle recovery needs to be addressed. There is so much information on these available in current threads that I decided to leave it out. If anyone needs info on
This I will add it to this thread.

Ok, Here is the addition of Post cycle recovery that I promised. I also added something about opening amps in the drawing your oils section.

Clomid, Nolvadex, HCG, Arimidex These are the ones I have the most experience with. For Femara; Post a question on the main board.

Standard Recovery cycle.

HCG: 1000IUs For Ten days. Starting one day after last injection.
Clomid: Starting on the last day of The HCG.
Day 1: 150mg
Day 2-8: 100mg ED
Day 9-16: 50mg ED
Day 17-24: 50mg EOD
NOLVADEX: 20mg ED Starting and Ending on the same day As the HCG.
If you are pron to gyno, or are having Itchy Nipples, painful nipples or lumps in your nipples. Administer 40mg-80mg ED For Two weeks.
Nolvadex is also something you can take throughout your entire cycle. You might try
10mg ED (1/2 tab). It will reduce water retention and help keep you from getting gyno.
I believe that arimidex would be a better choice to administer during cycle because Nolvadex lowers IGF-1 levels where arimidex increases them if you take arimidex during your cycle, .5mg ED should be sufficient.

None of these amounts are completely set in stone. You can do 500-1000IUs Of HCG
ED for Ten days, You can start at 200mg Clomid and change the amounts over the cycle a little, Drop the Nolvadex, Drop the clomid and take 40mg Nolva ED for post cycleFor different examples, do a search, or post a question on the main board asking for other peoples post cycle recovery plans. Im sure some of the other guys will post info on Arimidex and liquidex.

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Phreezer:
Hats off to you bro!!! This is one fine piece of reading material, I made a thread introducing myself and asking a few questions and texasguy sent me the link to this, and I gotta tell ya, I didn't know a damn thing, I'm reading and reading and reading which is cool because I find myself learning and learning and learning lol. Anyways I just wanted to tell you how much I apreciate the thread! I'm interested in starting a cycle, have never used before. I saw on your model for the first cycle what you recomended, and there are tons of products, My question to you is, is that the best one for trying to get ripped or cut? I'm 6'2, 280, and was told today that my bf% is 18, if that helps! anyways thinks for the info bro!

HD75
 
hey, just finished boot and OCS, lost alot of weight and muscle and tryin to put some back on.

im gonna start cycle #1 next month (after i get the rest of the money to pick up the gear) and i wanted to know if i'd be alright if i only took nolva (i cant get my hands on any clomid or hcg) for my PCT.

if so, how much and at what frequency?

thanks

yes, 20mg daily would be fine... I would say for about 3-5 weeks or so.. try to get some HCG to help you out too..
 
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Is that you in your user picture?

If so, (and I'm not trying to be rude so please don't take it that way) you are quite a bit more than 18% BF. Just from looking at your face and neck I'd say you are in the upper 20's possibly even 30% range..

The best thing you can do for yourself right now is just to work out and be consistant about it. Add in some cardio three or four days a week for 20-30 minutes (even if it's just walking around town or on the treadmill) I think you should get your BF tested at the Ymca or your local clinic. If you knew exactly what your BF was.. I think it would help your motivation!

I know I didn't give you the answer that you wanted.. but what I told you really will help you out.. LMK if there's anything else I can help you with!

Phreezer:
Hats off to you bro!!! This is one fine piece of reading material, I made a thread introducing myself and asking a few questions and texasguy sent me the link to this, and I gotta tell ya, I didn't know a damn thing, I'm reading and reading and reading which is cool because I find myself learning and learning and learning lol. Anyways I just wanted to tell you how much I apreciate the thread! I'm interested in starting a cycle, have never used before. I saw on your model for the first cycle what you recomended, and there are tons of products, My question to you is, is that the best one for trying to get ripped or cut? I'm 6'2, 280, and was told today that my bf% is 18, if that helps! anyways thinks for the info bro!

HD75
 
your probably right about the bf%, I live in a small town, we have one gym, lucky for me it's open 24 hrs, I don't like going in there during the day because mostly old women are there, but I went and the manager of the place, he's 65, told me thats what my bf was, but he's probably as lost as I am when it comes to that stuff. Anyhow I do work out 3 times a week, at least. I don't use anything not even shakes, tried creatine once, didn't feel like it made a diffrence so I stopped. Have been looking on here at diets and what not, and have noticed that mine is far from what is recomended on here, like i said I'm new to this whole thing really. Thanks for your time.
HD75
 
Best thing you can do for yourself is diet bro.. Cut out the simple carb stuff for the most part.. Avoid processed breads too... Eat your stuff on whole wheat... Try to avoid anything that is deep fried.. Saturated fats combined with simple carbs are waaaayyy bad for dieting... Avoid fat free ice cream too.. if you have to eat ice cream eat real and regular ice cream.. I know it's got more fat but on a glycemic level it's way better to have the fat to help absorb that sugar than to just have an insulin spike from the simple carbs with no fat to help absorb it (this is weird I know as they market fat free ice cream to dieters..but in reality it's actually worse for people trying to lose weight) Although eating ice cream at all is bad for dieting...

Your diet should be mostly proteins.. eat lots of leafy veggies.. eat complex carbs like whole grain breads and whole grain rice... I know it's tough but avoiding processed foods and soda will make a very noticable difference in you within just one month! Try to add in some cardio at the end of your workout sessions.. or go for a 30 minute walk on days you don't lift... You'd be suprised how much this would help you..!

your probably right about the bf%, I live in a small town, we have one gym, lucky for me it's open 24 hrs, I don't like going in there during the day because mostly old women are there, but I went and the manager of the place, he's 65, told me thats what my bf was, but he's probably as lost as I am when it comes to that stuff. Anyhow I do work out 3 times a week, at least. I don't use anything not even shakes, tried creatine once, didn't feel like it made a diffrence so I stopped. Have been looking on here at diets and what not, and have noticed that mine is far from what is recomended on here, like i said I'm new to this whole thing really. Thanks for your time.
HD75
 
Thanks a lot phreezer, I apreciate the advice, and will defiantely try it! I'll keep ya posted as to what the results are.
HD75
 
hi guys, i opted for cycle 3 as a novice and it been my "first time". i just lowered the dosages slightly, the dianabol oral 20mg day, sus250inj i kept at 500mg week, in two 250 doses, the deca-pronabol
at 200mg( due to miscalculation on my part i ordered enough mg of the stuff only to realise the amps are 2ml id need 3ml pw, n i aint storing something for 7 days im going to whack into my body when the seals broken )
i enjoy my diet, my weight gains dont feel too "watery" ive gained 20lbs since starting cycling(im on week 4)
now, all been well and upon finishing my pct im hoping to "harden" off the mass gained.. and lose the retained water i do have.
my goals was, too gain 42lbs(or thereabouts) of quality muscle mass , in the next 18months
my question is, how long before i can either repeat this cycle or do another one after pct?
and out of curiosity, i was 252lbs( muscular) before medical problems made me take time out four years ago, is muscle memory real or myth?
 
I'm a new user, and it's my first cycle and I'm taking Test E, and was wondering what testosterone blocker I should get, and/or other supplements to take to keep the production of testosterone going and not be released so I wouldn't get small testicles or not be able to get an erection. Help please. What should I do?
 
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HI Phreezers,

I just read all the posts, and retained some good info... Here are my stats and background. 35, 6feet tall, 175 , 7% bf, i like to run, play tennis, squash, and to stay lean. Ive been working out for years, but nothing radical. I have hit a wall with my gains for the past 3 years. I don't want to bulk up with fat in order to gain my muscle, and want to stay lean.

I would like to kick start my workouts with a mild cycle. 10 lean pounds would be ideal. no bigger, and keep my BF around the same. I don't want to inject as I don't have anybody I would ask to do it, and don't think I could do it myself.

I am thinking of doing a simple DBOL 20mg a day with novadex. I think 4 weeks I could make goal, and stop... Any adivice how to retain the gains assuming I make goal? Any thoughts for me?? thanks for your help.
 
can someone please give me a 4 week (if long enough) CLEN/CYTOMEL cycle...
I want to lose as much as I can in 4 weeks..THANK YOU GUYS !!
 
phreezer, can you give us the real names ir the names i will have to aske the pharmasist, as the abbreviations are confusing. sust, d-bol, deca.
 
Phreezer ??

First timer here. Quick question to be safe because I am quite confused.

This is my plan from what I read about dosing, this is what I got from it.

dianabol oral 20mg day.Take this daily right? For 4 weeks.

sus250mg injection once on Monday the another 250mg on Thursday? Repeat Monday then Thursday up to 8 weeks?

deca-pronabol 200mg once a week say Wensday for 4 weeks? All 3 of these together at the same time correct?

Oh, and I need take nothing else after I am done. Just quit taking them and then do another cycle, what, 2 months out?

Just a little scared to do my first, want to make sure I do it right? Thanks.
 
Pheezer i have sustannon 250 and cycle one looks good for a first cycle. But how do i not lose everything i gained during the cycle. And if i want to start a second cycle how long do i wait after my first?
 
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