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Thoughts on Steroids (And Non-Legal Enhancers) in Martial Arts.
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Jeton
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i don't actually care what u r, since i don't expect u to cough up any interesting details of ur man-raping adventures...but i like how ur sexuality is ur new escape-hatch.
i was expecting u to resort to invoking God in some circular way when responding to the issue of impending genetic manipulation for performance enhancement, and figured it would require a nuanced and complicated response i was curious to see u attempt (
)...but it appears u know ur limits.[
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Another way to list your final point would be: You don't become a criminal by stealing.
No, but you do become a thief. And you break the rules when you use steroids, so how could you NOT become a cheater?? What do you become a "rule breaker"??
Everywhere that I am aware of speeding is a civil infraction, rather than a criminal offense. So, even though it sounds more sensationalistic to make the jump from speeding to criminal, that is an unrealistic LEAP. When you say that you "..would further argue that the casual and common violation of these laws is much worse than any athlete's violation of doping rules by using steroids if for no other reason than it statistically puts a greater number of people in physical harm's way"
When we get into making one bad thing WORSE than another, you get into an IMPOSSIBLE to debate topic. I would also beg the question, if you had a daughter or sister, and she was going to marry one of two men. One--is a "casual and common" speeder. While the other commits felonious acts (soliciting the importation of illicit material) and consistently and knowingly breaks the rules of his profession in an effort to get ahead. Who sounds more moral? You say that it's "worse" to speed. I would agree that speeding DOES MORE HARM because death or injury, to yourself or a loved one will always be worse than "not making the team" or losing a competition. But when speaking on morals, I think speeders are more moral than cheaters.
(I understand that I myself fit into the lower of two categories in my own opinion. I'm okay with the realization of my weaknesses.)
And for the record I don't expect what I feel as right or wrong to be any type of universal answer, I am merely explaining what I could, or could not, do with a clear conscience.
If I competed in a sport like BB, (which I never will) where it is accepted that nearly EVERYONE is using, I would not feel like I was cheating, because EVERYONE was. It's not about the "letter of the rulebook" and some higher morality to me. It's about the OTHER COMPETITIORS, I don't like the idea of someoneworking just as hard and losing because their moral code forbids them from cheating. --sound fair?
I'm not at all saying that someone who cheats is a "bad person" or has a loose moral code.
The cheater could be strict and highly disciplined in other area's of his life, while being more lax on this issue.
But I feel as though I keep repeating myself because there is no way to get around the facts.
The rules say don't use AAS
Someone who breaks the rules is a cheater
Cheating is NOT a desirable characteristic is ANY person.
I'm not saying it's the worst thing you can do, OR THAT I HAVEN"T DONE IT! I do things that I know to be wrong on a daily basis. But, I don't understand all the justifications for why it isn't wrong. Wrong is wrong. We all know what wrong is. It's wrong to cheat. I don't understand how it could become a gray area.
You liken the person who NEVER SPEEDS, with a person who would refuse to cheat by using AAS. You said, that these people have the satisfaction of knowing they followed the "letter of the law"
I would rather compare the person who never used AAS and competed in sports at the highest levels, with someone like a salesman but one who was actually always honest with his customers for a thirty year career.
At the end of his career, he knows he never did a dirty deal, and he has the satisfaction of being able to say he never cheated or lied to anyone, in order to get ahead.
Something far more valuable than "satisfaction of obeying the letter of the law"
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You are right - it is still illegal (or prohibited) even if not caught. Poorly stated on my part - thinking about the steroid witch-hunt where only handful of athletes demonized just because they were caught while rest (just as guilty) but not.
The analogy was intended to make comparison with prohibition in a sports context.
I'm not taking into consideration the fact that anabolic steroid use is highly criminalized in the U.S. Again, I consider it a bad law that does not acurrately reflect the relative risk steroid use poses to the individual and/or society.
What do you think when you personally consider the seriousness of each, independent of the legal issues involved?
But it seems to me that you are making that judgment - "speeders are more moral than cheaters [using steroids in sports]" - based on existing laws regarding the two behaviors.
I don't think you should use the law to inform your moral judgment here. IOW, just because steroid use is a felony and speeding is not doesn't automatically make steroid users less moral, does it?
I don't understand how you feel something that has the potential to do "MORE HARM" is morally superior to something that does LESS HARM regardless of what the law says?
Reinheart
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oh, i very much suspect he did already...
And of course he chose not to reply. Muslims have no right to talk about women since their relegion encourages their torture in various ways so Musulman, cut the shit about Bimbo Girls. I am sure you would love to torture them all and kill them by stoning.
Ah, by the way, have you ever cut any girls clit? I hear/read muslims do it. If you used to fuck unconsious men in the ass i am pretty sure this was pure fun!
You know what? If God really exists, he loves me more than anyone simpy because i don't pretend to be someone or believe sometihng that i am actually not.
You clearly seem to have practiced everything that relegion doesn't allow, including rappings. Hmmm.....
Reinheart
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Jeton
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And of course he chose not to reply. Muslims have no right to talk about women since their relegion encourages their torture in various ways so Musulman, cut the shit about Bimbo Girls. I am sure you would love to torture them all and kill them by stoning.
Ah, by the way, have you ever cut any girls clit? I hear/read muslims do it. If you used to fuck unconsious men in the ass i am pretty sure this was pure fun!
You know what? If God really exists, he loves me more than anyone simpy because i don't pretend to be someone or believe sometihng that i am actually not.
You clearly seem to have practiced everything that relegion doesn't allow, including rappings. Hmmm.....
since when is musulman a Muslim? even if he is, since when would he represent all Muslims? AFAIK he just subscribes to Pakistani folk medicine (the "hakim" shit). for that matter, female genital mutilation has exactly nothing to do with Islam, it's a holdover from the Pharaohs who thought it could help control female bisexuality. that's why Egypt remains the society most saturated with that practice, by far.on a side note, surely u can guess that attacking his hypocrisy would simply be rebutted with circular bullshit about human fallibility, n he may even have the gall to offer "do as i say, not as i do".
incidentally, he can't be gay...he's "all-top".
KBD may need to start wearing a padlock on his asshole, tho...[)]
Reinheart
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on a side note, surely u can guess that attacking his hypocrisy would simply be rebutted with circular bullshit about human fallibility, n he may even have the gall to offer "do as i say, not as i do".
incidentally, he can't be gay...he's "all-top".
English is not my first language, so that's why i made the mistake. I thought these two mean the same thing in English.
Musulman is another way of saying muscleman but muscleman was taken so i changed words around to say musulman..
Indeed i have done bad things like raping men, but have we not all. I have never raped a woman. I never raped for sexual gratification, my whole point of raping a man was not for gratification, it was to humiliate, to take away his maleness, to take his dignity, to destroy his soul, to take his male pride, to submit him to my power. It was a weapon i used in a fight for dominance. By far the most primitive and brutal form of dominance and authority is 'owning' another man so that he will be unable to look you in your eyes.Yes its barabaric, its brutal, its primitive, its animalistic but its effective, far more effective when you physically beat the man into a submission before raping him. So to say i am gay for conducting this measure of fighting is wrong. there is some gratifcation to have, but that still dont make it gay.
Where are you from Reinhart, which country? I guess its spain, cos in spain musulman is used to refer to muslims as it is in the muslim world, remember spain was part of the islamic empire until the catholics forcefully reconverted the muslims back to catholicism. Bear in mind those that had originally converted to islam were not forced. Why would you hold such ignorant views i dont know. Islam does not even hold such negative views of women, islam is of the semitic religions, so it shares similliaities with the other 2 but in relation to womens rights and treatment it is by far the fairest, but i guess you believe media propoganda.
Indeed i have done bad things like raping men, but have we not all. I have never raped a woman. I never raped for sexual gratification, my whole point of raping a man was not for gratification, it was to humiliate, to take away his maleness, to take his dignity, to destroy his soul, to take his male pride, to submit him to my power. It was a weapon i used in a fight for dominance. By far the most primitive and brutal form of dominance and authority is 'owning' another man so that he will be unable to look you in your eyes.Yes its barabaric, its brutal, its primitive, its animalistic but its effective, far more effective when you physically beat the man into a submission before raping him. So to say i am gay for conducting this measure of fighting is wrong. there is some gratifcation to have, but that still dont make it gay.
Where are you from Reinhart, which country? I guess its spain, cos in spain musulman is used to refer to muslims as it is in the muslim world, remember spain was part of the islamic empire until the catholics forcefully reconverted the muslims back to catholicism. Bear in mind those that had originally converted to islam were not forced. Why would you hold such ignorant views i dont know. Islam does not even hold such negative views of women, islam is of the semitic religions, so it shares similliaities with the other 2 but in relation to womens rights and treatment it is by far the fairest, but i guess you believe media propoganda.
buddy1
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on a side note, surely u can guess that attacking his hypocrisy would simply be rebutted with circular bullshit about human fallibility, n he may even have the gall to offer "do as i say, not as i do".
incidentally, he can't be gay...he's "all-top".
Why on Earth would you want to control that? What's wrong with those people?!
i am muslim btw, and i aint afraid to mention it despite peoples hatred.
I am from afghanistan originally and in stan sex with men is no big issue, its normal cos women are sometimes not an option and men have to enjoy men. Some men seek out donkeys or buffaols or any animal to vent sexual frsutations. That dont make it gay. However it is not an islamic practise, its a cultural practie from pagan times. Mostly men seek boys/teenagers for relief of urges or hermaphrodites or eunachs that resemble femmininity. Being on top is considered something to be proud of and is masculine, being a bottom is humiliated, femminine and is considered 'gay' as we in the west know it. I however have never engaged in man sex for sexual gratification, although that happnened also, i did it to show power over a man like i explained in an earlier post.
I am from afghanistan originally and in stan sex with men is no big issue, its normal cos women are sometimes not an option and men have to enjoy men. Some men seek out donkeys or buffaols or any animal to vent sexual frsutations. That dont make it gay. However it is not an islamic practise, its a cultural practie from pagan times. Mostly men seek boys/teenagers for relief of urges or hermaphrodites or eunachs that resemble femmininity. Being on top is considered something to be proud of and is masculine, being a bottom is humiliated, femminine and is considered 'gay' as we in the west know it. I however have never engaged in man sex for sexual gratification, although that happnened also, i did it to show power over a man like i explained in an earlier post.
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Jeton
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Jeton
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Why on Earth would you want to control that? What's wrong with those people?!
dude the pharaohs were as twisted as u can get from absolute, God-like political authority that's surrounded by cabals of esoteric high priests with their own agenda for thousands of years.
Reinheart
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All the things you wrote above sound sick to the point i want to throw up. Why fuck another man instead of masturbating? Or why fuck animals instead of martubating?
I am not from Spain, I am from the glorious Greece.
Don't get me wrong musulman, i have nothing against the belief in God or a Superior power. What i hate is organized relegion (including Christianism) and all the other relegions. Relegion is used to control the masses. I am very smart and don't believe in media propaganda for any reason but your relegion treats women like they are inferior forms of life.
They virtually have no right to do anything at all. They are not free, they are enslaved and repressed because all of you forcing on them the "will of God".
A woman was sentenced to death by stoning only a few months ago because she cheated on her husband. No civilized nation allows people to throw stones to someone until they die.
I am not from Spain, I am from the glorious Greece.
Don't get me wrong musulman, i have nothing against the belief in God or a Superior power. What i hate is organized relegion (including Christianism) and all the other relegions. Relegion is used to control the masses. I am very smart and don't believe in media propaganda for any reason but your relegion treats women like they are inferior forms of life.
They virtually have no right to do anything at all. They are not free, they are enslaved and repressed because all of you forcing on them the "will of God".
A woman was sentenced to death by stoning only a few months ago because she cheated on her husband. No civilized nation allows people to throw stones to someone until they die.
Reinheart
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Yes, that is true. Same goes for the Mayas.
Of all semitic religions islam is the fairest despite what you see or hear or read.
What i wrote makes you want to throw up?It makes me feel sick too but when you go through all of what i did in life nothing intimidates you nothing makes you feel sick nothing is shocking.
That is nothing,especially for someone like you who is free and able to do what he wants, why you feeling sick? Your grek people in the past were the ones that practised in sodomy, read up about your culture from the past. Some argue that this sodomy culture in stan actually was something that was introduced by Alexander the great who came and some of his soldiers remianed. Why you displaying morals when you are sick of organised religion which is all about morals.
It makes me sick when people pretend to be something they are not, or when people try to change their very nature and rebel with god. It makes me sick when i come across people who dont believe in god. It makes me sick when i see women who treat their men like a doormat, have affairs and then get boob jobs cos they are insecure, spolit and are bimbos, women of loose character.
What i wrote makes you want to throw up?It makes me feel sick too but when you go through all of what i did in life nothing intimidates you nothing makes you feel sick nothing is shocking.
That is nothing,especially for someone like you who is free and able to do what he wants, why you feeling sick? Your grek people in the past were the ones that practised in sodomy, read up about your culture from the past. Some argue that this sodomy culture in stan actually was something that was introduced by Alexander the great who came and some of his soldiers remianed. Why you displaying morals when you are sick of organised religion which is all about morals.
It makes me sick when people pretend to be something they are not, or when people try to change their very nature and rebel with god. It makes me sick when i come across people who dont believe in god. It makes me sick when i see women who treat their men like a doormat, have affairs and then get boob jobs cos they are insecure, spolit and are bimbos, women of loose character.
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