665 reasons to not order from UncleZ

[Kamala]

It doesn't really matter who is to blame - if one party starts posting duplicate posts, the other side will feel compelled not to let the post go unanswered. Who can fault each side for responding? There's just a better more respectful way to do this that spares the redundancy.

The last thing I want to do is restrict discussion. I don't want to "force" anyone to discuss any topic in a specific way. But I think the discussion would be much more productive if there wasn't so much fragmentation with essentially, if not entirely, identical posts popping up in multiple threads. All I'm asking for is a little more respect for forum etiquette.

Unrestricted discussion is a beautiful thing.

 

[steroidsfax]

I just know when SF was going through their own battle for credibility, some well meaning noob who had probably been lurking, and was also a SF customer, would join, and make his first post some kind of love affair with our company, and I would literally cringe inside, knowing what all the VETS must be thinking(that SF is paying for the review) the more mushy the review was the more I would cringe.

These same noobs would then PM me questions like.

."hey where do I MG/WU the money to?" ...
...well did you order yet? ..
..."oh...no not yet, I am just getting ready"...
...(deep breath)..okay, buddy, well when you order the info will pop up for you on the site, if there's anything else I can do, just ask....

I am contrarian by nature. I don't accept someones word as fact EVER often leading to my own peril. So, my boss TELLING me that we didn't employ shills wasn't enough. But, through this process, of noobs posting and then asking me questions regarding their orders, I came to completely believe/know that SF was not employing any shills.

That's why I share what I do in this thread, just because I have seen the other side of the coin, firsthand.
Sorry for the lengthy explanation, not trying to make the thread about SF. I just didn't like feeling like a blind "sheep" who just believes everything he hears, I have a reason for having the opinion that these first posters arent shills.

Mike Arnold, stoppped immediately when he was reprimanded, I doubt he is being compensated. I don't know, I don't have a horse in this race. I just always used to be mad that there would be vets, who would PM me that they believed I/we were legit, but they were too afraid to post in the forum, for fear of being branded a shill, so I felt obligated to post my experience.

 

[Millard]

Before I was a REP I would have been right there with you guys flaming all these one post noobs. But after seeing it from the other side, my opinion has changed.

That's why I share what I do in this thread, just because I have seen the other side of the coin, firsthand.
Sorry for the lengthy explanation, not trying to make the thread about SF. I just didn't like feeling like a blind "sheep" who just believes everything he hears, I have a reason for having the opinion that these first posters arent shills.

Interesting perspective we don't hear every day. opcorn:

 

[steroidsfax]

Just got a PM stating that it is very likely Mike Arnold is compensated for his posts. At the very least, he has contributed to a blog about Z.

 

[biggerben69]

Just got a PM stating that it is very likely Mike Arnold is compensated for his posts. At the very least, he has contributed to a blog about Z.

In his scattered comments in this thread he said he had "aligned" himself with Z based on knowing Z for some time and that Z was a swell guy and that LE was involved and cracked some arm of Z's operation. No mention of Shaggy, However.

 

[Kamala]

Just got a PM stating that it is very likely Mike Arnold is compensated for his posts. At the very least, he has contributed to a blog about Z.

Yep.....Lol.

He stated in his posts that he talks to Z on a daily basis, and seems to know an awful lot about his operation.
You need to look beyond face value grasshoppah............. The truth is staring you in the face.

 

[Kamala]

I just know when SF was going through their own battle for credibility, some well meaning noob who had probably been lurking, and was also a SF customer, would join, and make his first post some kind of love affair with our company, and I would literally cringe inside, knowing what all the VETS must be thinking(that SF is paying for the review) the more mushy the review was the more I would cringe.

These same noobs would then PM me questions like.

."hey where do I MG/WU the money to?" ...
...well did you order yet? ..
..."oh...no not yet, I am just getting ready"...
...(deep breath)..okay, buddy, well when you order the info will pop up for you on the site, if there's anything else I can do, just ask....

I am contrarian by nature. I don't accept someones word as fact EVER often leading to my own peril. So, my boss TELLING me that we didn't employ shills wasn't enough. But, through this process, of noobs posting and then asking me questions regarding their orders, I came to completely believe/know that SF was not employing any shills.

That's why I share what I do in this thread, just because I have seen the other side of the coin, firsthand.
Sorry for the lengthy explanation, not trying to make the thread about SF. I just didn't like feeling like a blind "sheep" who just believes everything he hears, I have a reason for having the opinion that these first posters arent shills.

Mike Arnold, stoppped immediately when he was reprimanded, I doubt he is being compensated. I don't know, I don't have a horse in this race. I just always used to be mad that there would be vets, who would PM me that they believed I/we were legit, but they were too afraid to post in the forum, for fear of being branded a shill, so I felt obligated to post my experience.

I don't doubt that its tough trying to get your foot in the door, but if you stay honest eventually you will get the respect. Its just the nature of what you're doing, there are a million sharks out there trying to get whatever they can from people...... There's literally guys that make a living out of ripping people off.

Honestly you threw yourself out there, people had their say, and it is what it is..... So far I haven't seen 1 complaint about not getting gear, getting bad gear or shitty communication.

I think if anything you guys should be mad at the sources that lie, and send their minions all over the internet........ They are the ones that make it hard for the honest guys.

 

[steroidsfax]

You need to look beyond face value grasshoppah............. The truth is staring you in the face.

Yeah, I suppose some cynicism would go a long way towards keeping everyone safe. As all the older guys keep telling me.....can't be too careful.

 

[Mike Arnold]

Guys, I can understand all the doubt and lack of trust. I can't speak for anyone else...I can only say what I have seen/heard and experienced...and what I believe...that's it.

I will address a few of the things that were said...and if anyone has any questions, I will answer to the best f my ability.

First of all, I am NOT being paid to post here at Meso...nor I am being paid to be involved with anything having to do with the re-send campaign. I have never posted a single thing about the re-send campain until now...either here or on any other board. I found out about this thread from WP. I have known WP for a while (never worked or repped for him...just know him because we have both been involved in the business). I don't think he woud mind me copy & pasting the following, so I will. Here is the PM WP sent me on IMF:


"did you read this?

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134336491

its real interested,i read few times now guys say under Z resend is DEA!
even some guys in Poland say that.. "


After I read that, I clicked on the link, read through the thread...and responded...nothing more. Z has no idea I posted here....unless he found out since I posted it.

As I said, I speak to Z regularly because I am helping him with some other stuff he's got going on, but it has nothing to do with this re-send campaign. Believe me, guys, before I spoke with Z about all of this stuff (after the raid happened), I thought Z might be LE as well. I wasn't until after I actually spoke with him and others I trust...and saw enough evidence, that I believed it was him. Since then, I have heard a lot and am 100% convinced it is him. But...you can believe whatever you want. If it is him...or if it is LE, everyone will find out in the end, right?

I posted here for only 2 reasons. 1) To tell people I truly believe this is Z and not LE and 2) that his re-send campaign in genuine.

Again, regardless of what anyone believes at this point, the truth about both of these things will come out sooner or later.

 

[biggerben69]

Guys, I can understand all the doubt and lack of trust. I can't speak for anyone else...I can only say what I have seen/heard and experienced...and what I believe...that's it.

I will address a few of the things that were said...and if anyone has any questions, I will answer to the best f my ability.

First of all, I am NOT being paid to post here at Meso...nor I am being paid to be involved with anything having to do with the re-send campaign. I have never posted a single thing about the re-send campain until now...either here or on any other board. I found out about this thread from WP. I have known WP for a while (never worked or repped for him...just know him because we have both been involved in the business). I don't think he woud mind me copy & pasting the following, so I will. Here is the PM WP sent me on IMF:


"did you read this?

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134336491

its real interested,i read few times now guys say under Z resend is DEA!
even some guys in Poland say that.. "


After I read that, I clicked on the link, read through the thread...and responded...nothing more. Z has no idea I posted here....unless he found out since I posted it.

As I said, I speak to Z regularly because I am helping him with some other stuff he's got going on, but it has nothing to do with this re-send campaign. Believe me, guys, before I spoke with Z about all of this stuff (after the raid happened), I thought Z might be LE as well. I wasn't until after I actually spoke with him and others I trust...and saw enough evidence, that I believed it was him. Since then, I have heard a lot and am 100% convinced it is him. But...you can believe whatever you want. If it is him...or if it is LE, everyone will find out in the end, right?

I posted here for only 2 reasons. 1) To tell people I truly believe this is Z and not LE and 2) that his re-send campaign in genuine.

Again, regardless of what anyone believes at this point, the truth about both of these things will come out sooner or later.

WTF is wrong with you? It's clear you're one of several shills here. You're just coming like you've got "the inside scoop". The others pose as customers.
You all refuse to address Z's past. He's a shit source for those that don't know better. This has been said over and over and over again. I don't give a flying shit if the resend deal is legit or not. IT"S THE PAST. NOT JUST GOING DARK ...THIS TIME FOR 12MONTHS you fucking liar.
It's either that YOU are lying or Z is lying about what went down a yr ago. You say LE was involved. Z says it was some fuck named shaggy.
As I told Z, I promise not to seek you fucking lames on any of the shit boards you infect. However, if you come to one of the few boards I frequent I will tell members the truth ABOUT HIS PAST!! HE FUCKED SO MANY! I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT 12MONTHS AGO.
The only people that have any interest at all in Z are all you fucking idiots that have just signed up to push his garbage and drum up future sales...and those of us that know the history and truth about this fucker. Z and Alin prey on noobs and their ignorance.
You and Z are tight because you "know the business," Knock it off big shit. You think you know how to con people and make them believe something other than the truth.
What is it you claim to know. How to be an international source. Big fucking deal. They're a dime a dozen. No legitimate board or person endorses Z. If they are endorsing him they have a vested interest.
Post something else about how it's a real campaign. Nobody gives a fuck. Go somewhere else.
You garbage people see the large number of members here and start drooling. You fucks aren't part of the community. You're not one of us. You lie and are only here for the dollars.
Go find some tweens that will get hard about getting your shit. WE DON"T WANT IT STUPID.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Do you Kamala believe that 100% of these first post guys are shills?

Don't you think it's just a little odd that these first post guys just "happened" to appear hear at exactly the same time Z is doing his resend campaign? Or that they are only posting in Z threads?

 

[steroidsfax]

Don't you think it's just a little odd that these first post guys just "happened" to appear hear at exactly the same time Z is doing his resend campaign? Or that they are only posting in Z threads?

I think they lurk, and try to learn what they can then, all of a sudden, a topic arises where they think they have some inside information.

They join,
get flamed....
argue....
realize arguing is futile..
and fade away...


I just don't think they are ALL employees.

 

[steroidsfax]

And I tell you what, people who have a good experience tell 1-3 friends...bad experience?? 10 friends. That's what the boss always said when I was in restaurants/bars. I guarantee there are noobs out there afraid to post in this thread right now, because they are afraid of the flaming.

I would be willing to bet that if someone was out there, and they were getting the shaft from Z on a resend they would be posting.

 

[biggerben69]

I'm still concerned for my safety. I'm taking precautions. I won't sleep in the same spot 2 nights in succession. Tonight, I find myself in a seedy motel with no frills whatsoever. Tomorrow, I'll be in a high end Marriott.
You fellas couldn't possibly fathom what I'm going through.
Lol....as I believe I've already stated.....I've always slept with my front door unlocked. We encourage intruders over here.
I love being an internet tough guy,

 

[Mike Arnold]

WTF is wrong with you? It's clear you're one of several shills here. You're just coming like you've got "the inside scoop". The others pose as customers.
Bro, you've got some issues. Like I said, if you don't want to believe that I am elling the truth about what "I" believe, then don't. It's really that simple.
You all refuse to address Z's past.
I have NEVER refused to address anything. No one asked me a single Squestion about his past...including you. I have already stated that if anyone has any questions, they can ask me and I will answer to the best of my ability. You have never once done so. So, I think it would be best if you stick to the truth and stop associating me with things I have never done or said. Thanks.

He's a shit source for those that don't know better. This has been said over and over and over again.
I have heard some others say this before, but many others have had good experiences with him and his gear, including myself. This cannot be denied, as there are large numbers of people all over the Net saying so. You can have "your" opinipon, but you have no right to tell others what their opinion should be.

More so, prior to the bust last year, Z had some of the most extensive testing procedures in place of ANY UGL. See, back when I first met Z, he was putting together a completely new team, which included some real quality guys, such as OD, Heavy Iron, some would say myself, and others. At that time,we were probably doing more product testing than any UGL. We made a concerted effort to try and differentiate ourselves from the rest by being ultra-strict (and honest) with our testing policies. We tested every single batch of GH every month with multiple reps (all of whom publically posted their bloodwork results) AND unaffiliated members of each board we were a sponsor at, who also posted their bloodwork results. This can ALL be confirmed at those boards. One month we got a bad batch of GH...and because the reps would test it before we sold it, we made a public announcment that our current batch was fake...and we let everyone know we would not be selling any GH until the next month, when we hoped we would have anothre good batch. In addition, his grear was frequently tested with both mass spec and user blood work. Much of this was also made public.

The point here is that you can believe whatever you want, but so can I...and when I worked for Uncle Z...we did a damn good job of quality control and I used a TON of gear AND GH, all of which I had ZERO problems with.


I don't give a flying shit if the resend deal is legit or not.
OK...then why are you attacking me when that was only one of 2 reasons I came here?

IT"S THE PAST. NOT JUST GOING DARK ...THIS TIME FOR 12MONTHS you fucking liar.
Like I said, it's apparent you have more issues with Z than just his re-send campaign or whether or not his gear is good. For you, it is personal, but you have no right to call me a liar when you cannot prove I am being dishonest or lying about my beliefs. I could do the same thing and call you a liar. I could say you have been paid off by Z's competition to bash him. If I did, you would probably say something similar to the following..."That is ridiculous....everyone here knows that is not true." Well guess, what? I could say the same thing about me, except the only difference is that I would have 1,000's of people from a dozen boards supporting me and saying they believe me. there is a reason for that. The point isthat when you don't know someone, it generally isn't smart to make accusations and start maligning their charcater without evidence. You should always give a stranger the benefit of the doubt.

I used to react a lot like you...and while you may be able to get away with it here because it is your home board and I am not well known here, this kind of behavior will eventually come back to bite you in the ass. Trust me, I know.

It's either that YOU are lying or Z is lying about what went down a yr ago. You say LE was involved. Z says it was some fuck named shaggy.
Bro, you misunderstand because you don't know the whole stpory. insteadof shouting out..."Lies, lies"...why don't you ask me questions first? As far as Shaggy goes, Z told me the same thing about him screwing us. Shaggy worked for Z....he was in control of a LOT of stuff. I knew him as well...we communicated regularly before he took off. Z also said the same thing about LE that I am...that one of his main hubs got busted. Both things are part of the same story. Z's story has been the same from the start. He told me the same things many months ago before he first came back to the boards. He also told me I was free to repeat what he told me if anyone asked. Why would he tell me that, knowing I post all over and have a great deal of influence, and then go and say something different? Hell, I probably still have this PM saved.

See, part of the problem with stuff like this is that often, bits and pieces get posted here and there, so if someone has not been fully informed, they have a hard time putting it all together. I

As I told Z, I promise not to seek you fucking lames on any of the shit boards you infect.
Fukcing "lames"? Any of the "shit" boards? Let me guess...you are one of those guys who thinks only his board contains truthful or helpful info, right? Buddy, there are many good boards out there and from I have heard, this is one of them as well. Secondly, my association with Z is only a "small" part of what I do. Primarily, I coach BB'rs/strength athlets for a living, having worked with both pros and amatuers. I am also a writer, having had over 50 articles posted online by various websites, companies, UGL's and newsletters. Currently, I am employed exclysively by Rob (ownber of IML/BSL).

The bottom line is this...I don't need free gear from Z or anyone else. Anyone who knows me...knows this. I have enough gear to last me a decade, all of it recieved for FREE! In fact, I will likely end up having to throw much of it away because it will be expired for years before I get to it. I am posting here ONLY because WP sent me a PM and because Z has always treated me well, so I wanted to help.

However, if you come to one of the few boards I frequent I will tell members the truth ABOUT HIS PAST!! HE FUCKED SO MANY! I"M NOT TALKING ABOUT 12MONTHS AGO.
I have only known Z for about 2 years and know virtually nothing about his "past". All I know is how he has treated me and my friends. You are free to be as pissed as you want to be about whatever it is you are pissed about, but don't knock me or anyone else who is only here to post their own opinions and never did a thing to you.

The only people that have any interest at all in Z are all you fucking idiots that have just signed up to push his garbage and drum up future sales...and those of us that know the history and truth about this fucker. Z and Alin prey on noobs and their ignorance.
Just signed up? LOL..like you said, you don't get out to many boards.

You and Z are tight because you "know the business," Knock it off big shit. You think you know how to con people and make them believe something other than the truth.
Ok, buddy.

What is it you claim to know. How to be an international source. Big fucking deal. They're a dime a dozen.
What are you talking about? I never claimed anything, other than I have been ivolved in the business (not as a seller), which I said to make a point, but now you are taking out far out of context.

No legitimate board or person endorses Z. If they are endorsing him they have a vested interest.
I would have to disagree, as some of the most respected people AND boards are friends with Z.

Post something else about how it's a real campaign. Nobody gives a fuck.
If no one cares...OK...then neither do I. I only posted that in case there were people here who do want their gear, but are afraid to contact him because they don't know whether or not they are dealing with Z or LE.

Go somewhere else.
You garbage people see the large number of members here and start drooling. You fucks aren't part of the community. You're not one of us. You lie and are only here for the dollars.
I had a lot to say about this, but I deleted it...because I resfuse to stoop to your level on this one. Howeber, i will sat this. LOL at your "not part of the community" statement. you have NO idea what you are talking about...AGAIN. I am so immersed in the BB'ing community that it is my life for the last 20+ years. I make my entire living off of it...and am involved in numerous ways, on may boards, and with 1000's of people. So, if one of us is not part of the community, it sure as fuck isn't me.

Go find some tweens that will get hard about getting your shit. WE DON"T WANT IT STUPID.

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[Mike Arnold]

Don't you think it's just a little odd that these first post guys just "happened" to appear hear at exactly the same time Z is doing his resend campaign? Or that they are only posting in Z threads?

It is very likely that anyone who comes on a board as a 1st time poster, raging up and down about a certain source, has an agenda. I don't agree with that and never will. If someone has something to say, they should say it with their own regular screen name and come right out and say it.

 

[Mike Arnold]

And I tell you what, people who have a good experience tell 1-3 friends...bad experience?? 10 friends. That's what the boss always said when I was in restaurants/bars. I guarantee there are noobs out there afraid to post in this thread right now, because they are afraid of the flaming.

I would be willing to bet that if someone was out there, and they were getting the shaft from Z on a resend they would be posting.

You're definitely right about that. Bad experiences spread like wildfire. Good ones? Not so much.

From what I gather (correct me if I am wrong), you are a rep...or just started repping for a UGL? You seem like a good guy, but if I may, allow me to give you a piece of advice. It does NOT matter who you work or rep for...there will always be some people posting shitty things about that company...always.

In the same way, it does not matter how honest you are as an employee or rep of a UGL/peptide company, there will ALWAYS be people saying you are lying about something. It is the nature of the beast. Because you you have a vested interest in seeing your company do well, some people automatically assume you will be dishonest for them. There is nothing you can do about it.

Regardless of what anyone says, always keep your cool (this is a hard one), say what you believe, believe what you say, do NOT portray your opinions as facts, and always be honest. Stay away from people with shitty attitudes and never be content to take the advice of others without looking into things yourself. If you do, things will end up working out for you. You will not always be right...you will make mistakes, but it won't matter much if you stay honest.

Remember, this is a huge community we are part of...and it extends far, far beyond this board. You may hear how all other board are shit...or how this is one of the the only honest boards, but guess what? Every board has members that think that. The BB'ing community is like the church...and BB'ing boards are like the different demoninations. They all think they are the best.

I have heard good things about this board. It is the same with the other big boards, as well. A board does not get big unless it has something to offer a large number of people. Different boards offer different things or are more suited to certain types of people, buit every successful board is successful for a reason. Good luck.

 

[Mike Arnold]

I'm still concerned for my safety. I'm taking precautions. I won't sleep in the same spot 2 nights in succession. Tonight, I find myself in a seedy motel with no frills whatsoever. Tomorrow, I'll be in a high end Marriott.
You fellas couldn't possibly fathom what I'm going through.
Lol....as I believe I've already stated.....I've always slept with my front door unlocked. We encourage intruders over here.
I love being an internet tough guy,

What happened?

 

[biggerben69]

....

What a shock! Not only is the re ship campaign going on......but Z's website say he's now full operational and open for business! He even said he missed everyone.
Hey retards...I'm talking to Mike A and the other fucking scamming pieces of shit. It's known and expected that when a source has a hiccup, that they fill all orders that are in limbo BEFORE opening and taking new orders.Simple known, accepted and expected procedure.
Surprised that someone that "Knows the business" doesn't know this....never mind condones it. Liars and theives.
Someone new to all this may ask "Why is it like bigben says ?"
It's because it's the same as robbing Peter to pay Paul......or if you're familiar with what a "ponzi scheme" is? Fucking unscrupulous business people will take money from a group of people promising a womderful return...or in this case aas. They will use that initial investment or influx of cash to maybe help offset the cost of a "resend" campaign by having a positive cash flow. They will send the initial investors, who are more than likely a bit gun shy and who made a "Test order", They receive their order or see the returns promised by the piece of shit.
Then, upon receiving and now having more confidence in the liar because they received, place a larger order. The piece of shit will reference all his satisfied customers in order to suck more fish in and have that cash flow really start pumping.
This cycle will continue until finally, orders start being delayed. The fuckin scammers will, for example, email customers tracking numbers that don't work. They may send a very small percentage of a large order(almost nothing) and package it so terribly that customs has almost no choice but to open it.(Send one broken vial so the oil soaks the box) and claim that the entire order was seized as happens from time to time, though they'll boast of a 99% success rate.
At this point the fuckers change up their business plan, They delay as long as they can so people will continue to send cash. It's only exacerbated when these pieces of fucking shit have board owners and moderators protecting them by deleting negative posts or reprimanding members that have been fucked for not "Going through the proper procedures of the situation."
Then, the shills will go real hard claiming deliveries and wonderful service.
Then..near the end just before the shit source goes dark(stops all communication with customers) legit customers who are fucked and waiting for their order, will continue to praise the fucking thieves hoping against hope or hoping because they are saying positive things about the fuckers that they will possibly get their orders or a refund. Unfortunately, the paid shills are also posting good reviews. The member not only is fucked out of his cash he is humiliated and looks like a fool when nothing comes.
Last thing....even if the resend campaign gets some people their shit...because Z has done exactly like I described over on more than one occasion, members are hurting the community and becoming unwitting co conspirators in hopes of having themselves made whole. Their morals are compromised.
This motherfucker has had so many people's money for so long. You could call it an interest free loan? Your money wasn't in escrow,,,it was being used for whatever this POS did with it. Then he comes back without paying any VIG?(Interest on your money) Again...he's pressuring people to stoop to his gutter level morals. by getting all excited and posting shit that hasn't happened yet. It's hard to blame them,,,,these fucking shills can make it sound so good. It's all bullshit. Some may get theirs...but they are perpetuating the cycle of hurting other members. That's not what a community of decent people trusting a source and looking out for one another should be doing. It;s selfish and makes you almost as bad as this piece of shit..
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[biggerben69]

What happened?

Are you cracking wise? Why are you engaging me? Are you a sadist. Have you kept up with the truths and how I'm describing you? Fuck off.
I'm gonna tell you....I'm seriously considering taking my offer of not following this sham to the boards they infect off the board. You fuckers continue on with you bullshit? Are you really sucking in that many members here? Maybe you are. That only makes me take it off the table.
If I go there it won't be just me. I've been around these boards for a long time. I will go on my own campaign and enlist a fuck load of good brothers to join your boards, speak the truth, get banned for doing so, and continue to use a proxy to sign up over and over.
I'm getting to that point. Keep it up asshole..