Asia Pharma and British Dragon

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The Truth About Asia Pharma and British Dragon

No one has ever provided any evidence that Asia Pharma or British Dragon products are manufactured according to GMP specifications or that they are approved for use in humans by any government agency. Both labs are UGL being represented as something other than UGL.

Per Asia Pharma's website their registered products can be looked up on the Thai FDA's website. Shockingly their procedure is not reproducible when someone follows their directions:

[SIZE="1"]http://www.asiapharma.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=35[/SIZE]

"Asia Pharma Ltd. was established in 2007 as a limited liability company."

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Per the Thai FDA, Asian Pharmaceutical Ltd. is GMP certified to produce "non-sterile products." They are not GMP certified to produce "sex hormones" or sterile products.
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http://www.fda.moph.go.th/fda-net/html/product/drug/fda_drug/gmpenglish.htm (Thai mModern Medicine Manufacturers)

By visiting the following link anyone can see products approved by the Thai FDA.
http://www2.fda.moph.go.th/exporters/select/eng/fdaexp001e.asp?lpath=/exporters/select/eng/drug/dgexp101e.asp (Thailand Products Exporters)

By clicking "sterile preparations" many Thai FDA approved hormone products are listed. None of the licensed products are registered to Asian Pharmaceutical Ltd.
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https://thinksteroids.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=10604&stc=1&d=1354863217

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[Bigkarch]

same as world pharma...they are the same

 

[MBA]

http://wwwapp1.fda.moph.go.th/drug/

they require now user/pass, I will try to get it as post it here.

I told you million times Asia Pharmaceuticals is different company.
AP are imported products to Thailand.

 

[regular]

http://wwwapp1.fda.moph.go.th/drug/

they require now user/pass, I will try to get it as post it here.

I told you million times Asia Pharmaceuticals is different company.
AP are imported products to Thailand.

This is the first time I've had a conversation with you.

Per AP's website they have 9 products registered with the Thai FDA:
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 http://www.asiapharma.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=2

Per AP's website they have Thai FDA approved products available for export:
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http://www.asiapharma.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=34

This is the Thai FDA's Exports Page:
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Link: http://www2.fda.moph.go.th/exporters/search/eng/srchexpmne.asp (Search! product exporter)

Clicking "STERILE PREPARATIONS" takes someone here:
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Link: http://www2.fda.moph.go.th/exporters/select/eng/drug/dgexp110e.asp?fg_arg=2&argcd=1&argnm=STERILE+PREPARATIONS&tp=1A

The list of Thai FDA approved products does not include any of the 9 products on AP's website which are claimed to be Thai FDA approved and available for export. There are no products licensed to Asia Pharma or Asian Pharmacuticles on the list:

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Link: http://www2.fda.moph.go.th/exporters/select/eng/drug/dgexp110e.asp?fg_arg=2&argcd=1&argnm=STERILE+PREPARATIONS&tp=1A

AP's website says it can provide documentation for anyone interested in importing their products. I am interested in seeing the following documents:
Certificate of GMP
WHO GMP Inspection Report

 

[regular]

Clicking "STERILE PREPARATIONS" takes someone here:

Typo, should be:
Clicking "Drugs" takes someone here:

 

[Millard]

This is the first time I've had a conversation with you.

MBA was addressing BigKarch. BK is convinced the owner of WP also owns AP.

 

[regular]

MBA was addressing BigKarch. BK is convinced the owner of WP also owns AP.

Thank you for letting me know he wasn't speaking to me

I've heard BK's opinion expressed by other guys who have been around for a long time.

 

[PillarofBalance]

same as world pharma...they are the same

AP absolutely is also WP...

 

[Millard]

Thank you for letting me know he wasn't speaking to me

I've heard BK's opinion expressed by other guys who have been around for a long time.

AP absolutely is also WP...

Oh, I've heard it too from the same people. Rather than repeated assertions, I'd like to hear some type of rationale/evidence rather than I heard it from a trusted vet. Every trusted vet seems to point to another trusted vet for confirmation. Someone telling me to trust them just doesn't do it.

 

[PillarofBalance]

Oh, I've heard it too from the same people. Rather than repeated assertions, I'd like to hear some type of rationale/evidence rather than I heard it from a trusted vet. Every trusted vet seems to point to another trusted vet for confirmation

Reasonable question, but tough to prove. It's not as though a UGL like WP has a government file I can send a FOIA request for lol...

But why would MJ post up that AP vid as evidence that WP is "legit online HG gear shop" ????

Because AP IS WP. I bumped that vid thread earlier today Millard of you aren't sure which I refer to.

 

[Millard]

Reasonable question, but tough to prove. It's not as though a UGL like WP has a government file I can send a FOIA request for lol...

But why would MJ post up that AP vid as evidence that WP is "legit online HG gear shop" ????

Because AP IS WP. I bumped that vid thread earlier today Millard of you aren't sure which I refer to.

I'm guessing the reason so many people are willing to accept the assertoin that AP=WP is because WP was of the first resellers to promote AP. And WP continues to be one of the loudest (and "memorable") cheerleaders of the brand.

But when other resellers promote certain brands, we rarely jump to the conclusion that they MUST own the brand. So there must be something more... opcorn:

 

[regular]

Oh, I've heard it too from the same people. Rather than repeated assertions, I'd like to hear some type of rationale/evidence rather than I heard it from a trusted vet. Every trusted vet seems to point to another trusted vet for confirmation. Someone telling me to trust them just doesn't do it.

I formulate opinions based upon the strongest evidence I have access to. Like you, I am a junky for evidence. I do not know for sure if WP is AP but I do not feel it's appropriate to ignore people who believe WP is unquestionably AP. The aggregate opinion of many does hold weight.

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The wisdom of the crowd is real. I do not participate on discussion boards which tamper with posts because doing so is very destructive to the wisdom of the community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

 

[Millard]

I formulate opinions based upon the strongest evidence I have access to. Like you, I am a junky for evidence. I do not know for sure if WP is AP but I do not feel it's appropriate to ignore people who believe WP is unquestionably AP. The aggregate opinion of many does hold weight.

BBC - The Code - The Wisdom of the Crowd - YouTube

The wisdom of the crowd is real. I do not participate on discussion boards which tamper with posts because doing so is very destructive to the wisdom of the community.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

Obviously, I'm not a big fan of argumentum ad populum. Wisdom of crowd has its limitatoins. Otherwise, I wouldn't have established a website discussing steroids from a perspective that differs from the "wisdom" of the crowd.

I like to take an iconoclastic approach especially when everyone is so certain about something they don't question it. They don't know exactly why they believe it other than everyone else believes it too.

Just because there's a bandwagon doesn't mean it should ever be ignored.

There's a good chance they may be right.

But I'd at least like to hear a reason other than "I just know it", "just trust me", "everyone knows its true"

 

[biggerben69]

Obviously, I'm not a big fan of argumentum ad populum. Wisdom of crowd has its limitatoins. Otherwise, I wouldn't have established a website discussing steroids from a perspective that differs from the "wisdom" of the crowd.

I like to take an iconoclastic approach especially when everyone is so certain about something they don't question it. They don't know exactly why they believe it other than everyone else believes it too.

Just because there's a bandwagon doesn't mean it should ever be ignored.

There's a good chance they may be right.

But I'd at least like to hear a reason other than "I just know it", "just trust me", "everyone knows its true"

I like to get really into it and call it "Mob Mentality"! Let's go find that MW!!

 

[Bigkarch]

we cant prove it milliard, not beyond a reasonable doubt as I would have to prove in my occupation...but the evidence with past practice, advertising and association that WP sold AP products....IMO and I cant prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are a partnership...if you remember the old advertising wp did a few years ago, and AP had the same reps, advertising and in conjuction...plus they are underground in a third world country trying to act like a legit pharmacy......they cant legally sell to anyone in the US, but they do...just call it like it is...illegal steroid sells, but get away with it being in a third world country....I can see in the future they will get busted down the road...guranteed...

 

[biggerben69]

we cant prove it milliard, not beyond a reasonable doubt as I would have to prove in my occupation...but the evidence with past practice, advertising and association that WP sold AP products....IMO and I cant prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are a partnership...if you remember the old advertising wp did a few years ago, and AP had the same reps, advertising and in conjuction...plus they are underground in a third world country trying to act like a legit pharmacy......they cant legally sell to anyone in the US, but they do...just call it like it is...illegal steroid sells, but get away with it being in a third world country....I can see in the future they will get busted down the road...guranteed...

I comfortable with convicting on circumstantial evidence...just like in a civil suit.

 

[Bigkarch]

And sorry Milliard you dont have to prove something that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, thats its a duck...we dont need dna testing to prove its a duck..hell we all know its a duck...we dont need a dna test...this isnt a court of law...its all the spamming, lies and bullshit, WP and AP do to get business...thats it...just that.....and we entertain that and keep it going...and I am guilty of keeping it going by posting..I just have to call bullshit, and matthew jasper, aka pnutbutter, needs to just go bye bye, he and WP and AP do nothing for our boards, our members and our security...that is key....

 

[bodybuilder805]

Lets just say WP has a partnership with AP. if this is the case whats the big deal, am i missing something here? I mean any reseller would have some kind of partnership with the lab they deal.

 

[Millard]

but the evidence with past practice, advertising and association that WP sold AP products

Not in dispute. Of course, WP sold AP products as would happen in any retailer-vendor relationship.

IMO and I cant prove beyond a reasonable doubt they are a partnership...

Not in dispute. Of course, WP sold AP products as would happen in any retailer-vendor relationship.

if you remember the old advertising wp did a few years ago, and AP had the same reps, advertising

So, WP promotes AP using AP marketing material. Most resellers do that. Most manufacturers verify their resellers too.

plus they are underground in a third world country trying to act like a legit pharmacy

Irrelevant. Applies to every single reseller and vendor operating in "third world countries".

they cant legally sell to anyone in the US, but they do...just call it like it is...illegal steroid sells, but get away with it being in a third world country

Irrelevant. Applies to every single reseller and vendor operating in "third world countries".

I can see in the future they will get busted down the road...guranteed...

Irrelevant. Applies to every single reseller and vendor operating in "third world countries".

In summation, you think WP owns AP because:

(1) WP sells AP products
(2) WP promotes AP products
(3) WP and AP are both in Asia
(4) WP ships to US

Congratulations. You've convinced me that WP is a reseller of AP. But still it seems like a huge logical leap to conclude WP owns AP on this basis.

But the obvious question is how does this make WP different than any other reseller?

You've introduced a new term for the first time - partnership.

Ownership is one thing. Partnership is another.

 

[Millard]

And sorry Milliard you dont have to prove something that walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, thats its a duck...we dont need dna testing to prove its a duck..hell we all know its a duck...we dont need a dna test...this isnt a court of law...its all the spamming, lies and bullshit, WP and AP do to get business...thats it...just that.....and we entertain that and keep it going...and I am guilty of keeping it going by posting..I just have to call bullshit, and matthew jasper, aka pnutbutter, needs to just go bye bye, he and WP and AP do nothing for our boards, our members and our security...that is key....

There are many reasons one may have for disliking WP.

There are many reason one may have for disliking AP.

It may be expeditious to claim WP owns AP in order to denigrate them both at the same time.

But it doesn't necessarily mean WP owns AP