its not an argument milliard..just my stupid humble opinion..along with many many many peeps..and the reason why vets and og's dont come around here often....and its not negative proof...can you prove they are not...just as much as can I prove they are...NO on both....
and bodybuilder..they have scammed...what we call selective scammers...and no my friend, its not just the price...they HAVE SCAMMED..do you not get it...or do yo have your blinders on......if your stupid enough to pay those prices and use them...more power to you....I dont care...but I DO care to protect members of boards from any type of scam, lies, and treatment from sources, that WP and AP has done...including threats ...I have personally been threatened by them.....if you find fault in that so be it......go buy your gear from them and spend your hard earned money...but as long as I deter one member from them, I will continue to do so...and so do many other respected vets, mods, admin and boards...
Bigkarch, I'm disappointed that you resorted to personal attacks. Of course, it's an argument. You have repeatedly presented AP=WP as fact before admitting it was merely an opinion. I have no interest whatsoever in defending either company. I just wanted evidence that AP=WP.
I know you're a professional and you know how to make arguments to defend a position. You're an attorney after all. Yet, you've utilized so many logical fallacies in this thread.
(1) argumentum ad populum - everyone thinks it's true, so it must be true
(2) ignoratio elenchi - redirecting argument to another issue you can better defend.
The argument is "does WP=AP?" yet you want to change it to "does WP/AP = scam?". WP=AP has nothing to do with how big a scammer WP/AP may or may not be.
(3) negative proof - instead of trying to prove WP=AP, you place burden on proving WP does not equal AP.
Remember the whole "Why haven’t we had an official response to the rumor that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990?" meme a while back where people assumed it was true because Beck did not provide evidence to refute it. It was used to highlight Beck's ridiculous use of the negative proof fallacy.
(4) ad hominem - people are stupid for not believing WP=AP, so your argument must be true
Your motives may be noble. Many may believe the end justifies the means. But I think you can get from A to be B without doing what you've done in this thread. There may be little harm in doing what you're doing. Speculation/opinion is can be informative when identified as such. If being a stickler for truth and evidence keeps people from coming to this forum, then so be it.