Scally's PCT and more

[superdave84]

Hey guys, I've done some more reading. I'm back here for some more advice. I admit I'm a little stubborn but I come around. Since you all convinced me to run TestE with some slins for my first cycle instead of orals, that's what I'll do, hopefully the hairloss won't be too incredible.

Here's the gameplan:

- 500mg TestE for 12 weeks with Arimidex support either 0.25mg or 0.5mg EOD mostly based on how my nipples feel.
- Twice daily Rogaine hairwash. (I'm going to stay away from Finasteride, saw that poor guy's thread who got messed up real bad)
- Lipid Stabil and Fish Oil

Now for the PCT, I've read many forum threads, all completely different. Some recommending "just" Clomid @100mg, some recommending Clomid and DAA. But the only one I can say I trust is Dr. Scally's PCT.

His PCT is Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is taken at 2000IU every other day for 20 days. Clomiphene citrate 50 mg is taken twice per day for 30 days.Tamoxifen citrate is taken 20 mg twice per day for 45 days.

It also is determined by the cycle's half life, which @testE 500mg would be roughly 2weeks, however @testE 250mg would be 1week.

Now the purpose of this thread was mostly just a confirmation from the Man himself, in case I misunderstood anything, and the comments and further advice from the community. I suppose a decent question to ask though is how long after the PCT is finished should I wait to get my post-lab blood work? Perhaps maybe also if such a long PCT is needed for a simple testE cycle?

 

[Michael Scally MD]

FWIW: hCG is Q3-4D [Every Third - Fourth Day]

This is a change from the original publication, which looks like you are citing.

I saw this and wanted to make the correction. I did not "read" the post, yet.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

It also is determined by the cycle's half life, which @testE 500mg would be roughly 2weeks, however @testE 250mg would be 1week.

I do not know what you mean by this. However, the use of the 1-2 weeks is in error. For example, 12 weeks TE 500 MG/QW will take about a month (or slightly more) to clear before the HPTA will be in an environment for LH/FSH stimulation (SERM/AI). It is important to know the AAS type, dose, & duration for a proper PCT.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

One more note. If you are normal to start, hCG 1,000 IU will be sufficient. What I think most do not read from the publication, the study was in men who were HH from presentation with NO known prior baseline. Of these, many had an extensive and long AAS history without use of PCT.

 

[superdave84]

Thanks for your reply sir,
Could you explain what you mean by “Every Third - Fourth Day”? I’m unfamilar with that term. It could have multiple meanings based on how you interpret it. Additionally you commented as a new racer I’d only need 1000ui, would this apply to future second and third cycles as well if I follow this restoration therapy?

I’ve seen it mentioned often that the “2 week after” pct is incorrect information as a whole. My only understanding was it is based on halflife. The quote from Anabolics 10th
“There should be a small overlap with the on-cycle period, so that hCG has a little time to work before AAS levels are completely diminished. For example, at 500 mg per week of TC/TE it should take approximately 4 half lives (32 days) for testosterone to drop below the normal range. In this case, PCT would be initiated about two weeks after the last testosterone injection.”

I had one further question for you, have you conducted any new research into frontloading for your PCT to reduce it’s overall duration?