Labmax test results

[flenser]

I held off on posting these results for more than a week, because there was a mix up with Astro's mast e vials, and I wanted to wait until I had the replacement. The results are still not all that useful except to say at least one source here is NOT selling legit mast e.

There is still no published result for mast e. I almost decided to wait until there was one, because I didn't want to cause trouble for the labs without proof there was a problem. I took some time today to read through a few source threads that ended with the source leaving in disgrace, often with a lot of people's money. It made me realize that of all the things I should be concerned about, protecting a source's integrity or income is not among them.

I tested BIO, Pep and Astro (white label) vials. I made pics with all the sources for each test so they could be compared. I will say that Astro's looks very close to mast p, but the colors darkened faster than the mast p I tested before. It's definitely not his mast p, or at least not at the same concentration. Both BIO and Pep mast e look very close to deca. I don't know if that's what is in them, but had the vials been labeled as deca, I would have said they passed.

 

[fit2beking]

I held off on posting these results for more than a week, because there was a mix up with Astro's mast e vials, and I wanted to wait until I had the replacement. The results are still not all that useful except to say at least one source here is NOT selling legit mast e.

There is still no published result for mast e. I almost decided to wait until there was one, because I didn't want to cause trouble for the labs without proof there was a problem. I took some time today to read through a few source threads that ended with the source leaving in disgrace, often with a lot of people's money. It made me realize that of all the things I should be concerned about, protecting a source's integrity or income is not among them.

I tested BIO, Pep and Astro (white label) vials. I made pics with all the sources for each test so they could be compared. I will say that Astro's looks very close to mast p, but the colors darkened faster than the mast p I tested before. It's definitely not his mast p, or at least not at the same concentration. Both BIO and Pep mast e look very close to deca. I don't know if that's what is in them, but had the vials been labeled as deca, I would have said they passed.

Ok Flenser, so that I am understanding here. Astro Mast E was actually Mast P when he had the label confusion? This only affected 3 customers according to Astro. BIO and PEP looks a lot like DECA according to the test? But as it stands there isn't a conclusive test for Mast E. Correct? I wonder how Astros Mast E would look. I am curious if it will look like BIO's and PEP's.

I have a bottle of Bio's Mast P that has been used some it has about 3cc left in it if anyone wants to test it. I see now that I have to get a kit as well. In fact this should be in everyone's stash just like syringes.

 

[flenser]

Ok Flenser, so that I am understanding here. Astro Mast E was actually Mast P when he had the label confusion? This only affected 3 customers according to Astro. BIO and PEP looks a lot like DECA according to the test? But as it stands there isn't a conclusive test for Mast E. Correct? I wonder how Astros Mast E would look. I am curious if it will look like BIO's and PEP's.

I have a bottle of Bio's Mast P that has been used some it has about 3cc left in it if anyone wants to test it. I see now that I have to get a kit as well. In fact this should be in everyone's stash just like syringes.

Correct, except that I posted Astro's new mast e, not the one that got mixed up. That one was definitely mast p.

I never saw BIO selling mast p. I actually only became interested in mast e when I got some from BIO on my first order with them. I was looking for mast p, but there was none listed.

 

[fit2beking]

I held off on posting these results for more than a week, because there was a mix up with Astro's mast e vials, and I wanted to wait until I had the replacement. The results are still not all that useful except to say at least one source here is NOT selling legit mast e.

There is still no published result for mast e. I almost decided to wait until there was one, because I didn't want to cause trouble for the labs without proof there was a problem. I took some time today to read through a few source threads that ended with the source leaving in disgrace, often with a lot of people's money. It made me realize that of all the things I should be concerned about, protecting a source's integrity or income is not among them.

I tested BIO, Pep and Astro (white label) vials. I made pics with all the sources for each test so they could be compared. I will say that Astro's looks very close to mast p, but the colors darkened faster than the mast p I tested before. It's definitely not his mast p, or at least not at the same concentration. Both BIO and Pep mast e look very close to deca. I don't know if that's what is in them, but had the vials been labeled as deca, I would have said they passed.

So if both BIO and PEP is the same...Which one or are both not selling legit Mast E?

And you are so right the community before the source. Thank you for that Flenser! This is yeoman's work!

 

[fit2beking]

Correct, except that I posted Astro's new mast e, not the one that got mixed up. That one was definitely mast p.

I never saw BIO selling mast p. I actually only became interested in mast e when I got some from BIO on my first order with them. I was looking for mast p, but there was none listed.

I have some left over in a vial but I know this could look shady if it came back as not being Mast P. If you want it to test you are welcome to it but a disclaimer has to be communicated to the board first stating that is has been used. I think it is about 3 cc left in it.

 

[mercury]

flenser

my understanding is that most gear becomes fluorescent under UV light

this is the whole idea with the UV light

it is hard to see your pictures under UV

 

[fit2beking]

flenser

my understanding is that most gear becomes fluorescent under UV light

this is the whole idea with the UV light

it is hard to see your pictures under UV

It's not that hard. I can clearly see the 3 in the UV light and they are different.

 

[Zaphod]

I need to look up the chart, but I wonder how close the colors of a compounds different esters are to each other.

 

[Spyder]

I held off on posting these results for more than a week, because there was a mix up with Astro's mast e vials, and I wanted to wait until I had the replacement. The results are still not all that useful except to say at least one source here is NOT selling legit mast e.

There is still no published result for mast e. I almost decided to wait until there was one, because I didn't want to cause trouble for the labs without proof there was a problem. I took some time today to read through a few source threads that ended with the source leaving in disgrace, often with a lot of people's money. It made me realize that of all the things I should be concerned about, protecting a source's integrity or income is not among them.

I tested BIO, Pep and Astro (white label) vials. I made pics with all the sources for each test so they could be compared. I will say that Astro's looks very close to mast p, but the colors darkened faster than the mast p I tested before. It's definitely not his mast p, or at least not at the same concentration. Both BIO and Pep mast e look very close to deca. I don't know if that's what is in them, but had the vials been labeled as deca, I would have said they passed.

Has labmax said anything about a time frame for mast e? Thanks for taking the time and doing this!

 

[Ravtech]

So... just to summarize this recent experiment. There is no labmax test for mast e yet, but since all 3 compounds turn different colors they can't all be mast e. It is either 1 real and 2 fake or all 3 are fake mast e's. Unless mast e just doesn't react the same way to this test and requires a separate test like var/win

 

[Zaphod]

Yes, but you would still think if they were all real mast e and dosed properly, that they would all react the same.

 

[Ravtech]

Yeah I know that most likely 2 of 3 or all of them are fake, just throwing out that last part as a disclaimer. There's the smallest chance it could be reacting to a cutting agent or difference in oil and the mast e isn't reactive with the test at all. Not likely, but possible.

 

[mercury]

So... just to summarize this recent experiment. There is no labmax test for mast e yet, but since all 3 compounds turn different colors they can't all be mast e. It is either 1 real and 2 fake or all 3 are fake mast e's. Unless mast e just doesn't react the same way to this test and requires a separate test like var/win

I think it is the same idea like on labmax demo vidoe I have seen on their web site with tren e, when 2 are good react the same way and one is fake.

why do not you guys send samples to labmax they have GC/MS and I think that they are looking for good mast e samples to do the test.

 

[Ravtech]

I think people are already sending in mast e, just takes a few weeks for them to MS it and add it to their database

 

[Dr JIM]

flenser

my understanding is that most gear becomes fluorescent under UV light
this is the whole idea with the UV light

STEROIDS DO NOT naturally develop a glow or fluoresce when exposed to UV light!

The UV light is used as confirmatory step ONLY. When the LabMax "UV substance" is added to the test vial it binds to ANY STEROID thereby altering its UV wavelength. This color change is then compared to a "UV chart" contained within the kit further confirming or refuting the original results.

SO DO STEROIDS NORMALLY GLOW UNDER UV LIGHT, NOOOOOOO!

As you mates can see while these tests are helpful. However many of us see different shades of yellow as a light orange AND that is the problem with qualitative immunoassay testing.......the color testing itself. However GENERALLY SPEAKING Immunoassay testing is quite reliable (specific) when the "required color" is "rich" and achieved rapidly.

Those tests which reveal questionable results, a lighter shade of "blue" rather than the required "dark blue", ESPECIALLY if that color change required MORE than the allotted time SHOULD be either repeated or declared "indeterminate".

JIM

 

[jaystrum]

Has labmax said anything about a time frame for mast e? Thanks for taking the time and doing this!

I contacted labmax about the time frame for primo and he said most likely in january if not sooner. I forgot to ask about mast e but I'm sure it's about the same. I am going to hold off until it can test for primo. This thing will give me much peace of mind.

 

[flenser]

I have some left over in a vial but I know this could look shady if it came back as not being Mast P. If you want it to test you are welcome to it but a disclaimer has to be communicated to the board first stating that is has been used. I think it is about 3 cc left in it.

Since BIO isn't selling mast p, there's not much reason to test it. I would trust a sample coming from you, though, used or not.

 

[flenser]

It's not that hard. I can clearly see the 3 in the UV light and they are different.

I happen to be color blind, but I have someone else watch the reaction when I do the tests. The uv colors in the chart are difficult for both of us to detect, mainly because there is a primary and the uv activated color. The primary color is usually the dominant one.

For example, check out the labmax example of mast p under UV, described as "orangy color"

 

[flenser]

Has labmax said anything about a time frame for mast e? Thanks for taking the time and doing this!

Not for mast e specifically. We have discussed the time frames of different tests, though. Some are included in the chart, but others are ignored as not important. The "initial color" of test a for mast p, for example, is bright green. I do have pics of it in a couple of tests, but it's really not that obvious in the pics I have posted. The color goes very quickly from bright green to yellow.

 

[flenser]

As you mates can see while these tests are helpful. However many of us see different shades of yellow as a light orange AND that is the problem with qualitative immunoassay testing.......the color testing itself. However GENERALLY SPEAKING Immunoassay testing is quite reliable (specific) when the "required color" is "rich" and achieved rapidly.

Those tests which reveal questionable results, a lighter shade of "blue" rather than the required "dark blue", ESPECIALLY if that color change required MORE than the allotted time SHOULD be either repeated or declared "indeterminate".

JIM

Agree completely.