Source code of conduct rough draft

[stomps]

But what might be really important that some format be incorporated into the
CODE" that should an unforseen thing arise that hadnt been anticipated, there is a manner to include remedies unique to that topic and that topic alone.
One might also want to decide if a type of Grandfathering law" be made so as not to include all sources into the new mandate. I for one(and I know I have no more and hopefully no less weight as any other member in good standing) would like to suggest that ALL sources must abide by the same set of rules regardless of how long they have been here. This would prevent,even the argument that source "A" shouldnt have to comply with a new directive because "B" has only arrived! that might prevent both perceived inequality and /or favoritism.

Now again I know i may have only about 270'ish posts but I would very much like to participate in not only the development of this
Source Code of Conduct" as much as the next guy but as a member I would certainly wish to help "enforce them" once solidified much as Ive seen people do when questioning a potential source prior to their "probationary"period
Goose

Great ideas
Glad to have you on board
As well as Flenser and Kubrick

 

[beezil]

I think this thread has created a little confusion. A distinction needs to be made between discussing:

(1) the recommended minimum standards for running a good (albeit illegal) business and;

(2) the guidelines for participation in this (sub)forum.

These are two different issues.

What is actually being discussed?

If it's #1, then the consequences are no different than any other marketplace: consumers won't order from vendors who don't meet the recommended minimum standards. But this only holds true to the extent that consumers actually demand and hold vendors accountable to these standards. As we've seen, not all steroid users are very demanding.

If it's #2, then discussion should revolve around guidelines that will minimize commercial influences e.g. steps to restrict/disincentivize source posting and (deceptive) marketing.

If you think #1 should equal #2, then you're basically suggesting for a pathway by which sources can be approved and "endorsed" by MESO or by its membership. Then, MESO starts resembling one of the many "source boards" with admins/vets/members/cheerleaders "vouching", "endorsing", "standing behind" the "forum-approved" sources.

Millard, Agreed!

the buyer has the power... don't buy from a source that doesn't abide by the code of conduct.

keeping meso what it always has been.

however, not allowing the sources to control the end result.

 

[flenser]

I think this thread has created a little confusion. A distinction needs to be made between discussing:

(1) the recommended minimum standards for running a good (albeit illegal) business and;

(2) the guidelines for participation in this (sub)forum.

These are two different issues.

What is actually being discussed?

If it's #1, then the consequences are no different than any other marketplace: consumers won't order from vendors who don't meet the recommended minimum standards. But this only holds true to the extent that consumers actually demand and hold vendors accountable to these standards. As we've seen, not all steroid users are very demanding.

If it's #2, then discussion should revolve around guidelines that will minimize commercial influences e.g. steps to restrict/disincentivize source posting and (deceptive) marketing.

If you think #1 should equal #2, then you're basically suggesting for a pathway by which sources can be approved and "endorsed" by MESO or by its membership. Then, MESO starts resembling one of the many "source boards" with admins/vets/members/cheerleaders "vouching", "endorsing", "standing behind" the "forum-approved" sources.

The problem I have with it being #2 is that it means the only source listings we will have open access to will be those on paid source boards. I am certain had this board not existed as it is when I became interested in aas that I would have given up looking long before I found a source.

There is much talk by veterans on this and other non-source boards about due diligence, participation and a ton of other crap, but without an open marketplace it comes down to trusting some faceless character feeding me contact information through PM or email. UGBB has an uncensored board where sources get the cold shoulder. I suppose I could have gone there and posted my day to day activities along with other trivia, and eventually someone would offer me contact information - and lacking any other choice it might even seem like a fine offer. Here I have at least 6 sources with reasonable prices and proven products, and the certain knowledge I will quickly find out when a source has problems.

How many sources that used to be private and successful have we run out of here due to poor practices or dishonest claims? Sure some people get scammed, but it happens in the open and reflects on the source in a way that can't be covered up. Ask BB69 about Sciroxx still having a good reputation on other boards. Not here, that scamming bastard is done here. I'm told Uncle Z selectively scammed people for years. How long would he last here?

What we have works, and it works well. Sources have to have a voice, so we can judge the truth of what they have to say. Buyer and seller have to interact with as few restrictions as possible.

 

[stomps]

Mandatory requirements:

1. Pics and description of brewing process.

2.Secure email that that does not include safemail.
-a. Pgp encryption highly recommended

3. Full disclosure.
- a. Who are your reps/schills don't try to be sneaky we almost always catch
On
-b. If free gear is given name who it was given to

4. References. Do you source at other boards.

5. Sources limited to one thread pushing their product.

6. If source had a website it cannot be hosted in the U.S.

Highly recommended

1. Pgp encryption

2. Bit coin payment option

3. Set up an escrow service

4. Donate fund to labmax for random testing by members.

Just bumping this thread so it doesn't get buried

 

[beezil]

it should be included in pumpinirons newbie thread as well.... or linked to it.

 

[pumpingiron22]

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/134351209

 

[shamrockbear1]

Okay I know you guys want drug dealers to be all ethical and act like a business but I'm sorry to inform you that will never happen and I mean never. Sure its nice when you aas dealer is decent to work with and some level of trust but really asking a drug dealer a code of conduct is ridicoulus why don't I walk down to my local pot dealer and crack dealer see if has a code of conduct. As far as bitcoin it is always traceable and fluctuation is risky, so if I were a source sorry I would not use it! It is hard enough to trace but if your source becomes big they find him through bitcoin. Another thing you guys are overlooking most people get a couple of cycles and disappear for a few years and sources the same they come and go.. Very few are committed aas users as my degenarate azz is so I like your ideas in theory but not seeing it in the future ...

 

[stomps]

Okay I know you guys want drug dealers to be all ethical and act like a business but I'm sorry to inform you that will never happen and I mean never. Sure its nice when you aas dealer is decent to work with and some level of trust but really asking a drug dealer a code of conduct is ridicoulus why don't I walk down to my local pot dealer and crack dealer see if has a code of conduct. As far as bitcoin it is always traceable and fluctuation is risky, so if I were a source sorry I would not use it! It is hard enough to trace but if your source becomes big they find him through bitcoin. Another thing you guys are overlooking most people get a couple of cycles and disappear for a few years and sources the same they come and go.. Very few are committed aas users as my degenarate azz is so I like your ideas in theory but not seeing it in the future ...

So what we should just leave the thiefs to run rampant instead of at least trying

 

[pumpingiron22]

The source code is perfect. And dealers are the same as running a business and making money and they have there rules and code of ethics and meso has there's. The conduct code has already showed that it works. It not going anywhere its here to stay period! !!!!!!!

 

[pumpingiron22]

keep it alive! I think we should also have an amount of post before a source can start source like 500 post or something

 

[sin]

Okay I know you guys want drug dealers to be all ethical and act like a business but I'm sorry to inform you that will never happen and I mean never. Sure its nice when you aas dealer is decent to work with and some level of trust but really asking a drug dealer a code of conduct is ridicoulus why don't I walk down to my local pot dealer and crack dealer see if has a code of conduct. As far as bitcoin it is always traceable and fluctuation is risky, so if I were a source sorry I would not use it! It is hard enough to trace but if your source becomes big they find him through bitcoin. Another thing you guys are overlooking most people get a couple of cycles and disappear for a few years and sources the same they come and go.. Very few are committed aas users as my degenarate azz is so I like your ideas in theory but not seeing it in the future ...

All dealers have a code of conduct. Of any drug. Pot crack heroin, whatever, every (good) dealer is about repeat customers. And your analogy is flawed in that your local dealer you can presumably go and find him if he fucks you over. With the certain amount of anonymity afforded with internet purchases, this is not an option and thus members must push sources to adhere to certain expectations. If we the consumers do not monetarily support sources that do not meet these set standards, they won't exist. This source code of conduct sets a standard for the consumers to adhere to as much as the sources. If you accept defeat now you'll just allow for shitty sources to come thru and push their shit products.

 

[raysugar1234]

Okay I know you guys want drug dealers to be all ethical and act like a business but I'm sorry to inform you that will never happen and I mean never. Sure its nice when you aas dealer is decent to work with and some level of trust but really asking a drug dealer a code of conduct is ridicoulus why don't I walk down to my local pot dealer and crack dealer see if has a code of conduct. As far as bitcoin it is always traceable and fluctuation is risky, so if I were a source sorry I would not use it! It is hard enough to trace but if your source becomes big they find him through bitcoin. Another thing you guys are overlooking most people get a couple of cycles and disappear for a few years and sources the same they come and go.. Very few are committed aas users as my degenarate azz is so I like your ideas in theory but not seeing it in the future ...

I don't see any reason at all they could not follow those first 6 guidelines. This is for the benefit of the users, so i don't see why your opposed to it...

 

[stomps]

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[pumpingiron22]

1. Pics and description of brewing process.

2.Secure email that that does not include safemail.
-a. Pgp encryption highly recommended

3. Full disclosure.
- a. Who are your reps/schills don't try to be sneaky we almost always catch
On
-b. If free gear is given name who it was given to

4. References. Do you source at other boards.

5. Sources limited to one thread pushing their product.

6. If source had a website it cannot be hosted in the U.S.

Highly recommended

1. Pgp encryption

2. Bit coin payment option

3. Set up an escrow service

4. Donate fund to labmax for random testing by members.[/QUOTE] Stomps

 

[pumpingiron22]

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[Colt44]

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Just making sure it keeps getting bumped.

 

[av ultra]

Just making sure it keeps getting bumped.

Should be a sticky.

 

[Colt44]

Should be a sticky.

Agreed.

 

[pumpingiron22]

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[Mr.Bravo]

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