If everybody is ok with this draft Millard is there any way you could make the post above a sticky
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If everybody is ok with this draft Millard is there any way you could make the post above a sticky
It has my vote.
Don't like the source limited to one thread. We can not edit post after 15 minutes. If a source is running a sale and doesn't post a new thread. I don't know anything about it since there is so many pages on the sources thread. Again to much side talk in their thread.
beezil
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a lot of stuff such as sales should be saved for encrypted email anyhow.
most of what is said in thread probably shouldn't be discussed anyhow. There is entirely too much information flowing.
BigBen wrote a particularly nice piece about security and ebbs and flows of the industry as well as the task forces that like to present themselves.
i believe the underground should be more for talking about sources... not what it has morphed into... a market place.
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This discussion is great. I haven't had too much time lately to respond and add my two cents to a lot of them. Give me a few more days.
However, I am hesitant to make it a sticky as it may be construed as an endorsement by MESO-Rx and therefore a de facto set of additional rules.
Some of the ideas are aimed at minimizing abuse of this subforum by the marketing techniques of unscrupulous sources. Some aimed at exposing risks and weaknesses in source SOP.
These are all good topics with good suggestions.
But MESO-Rx would be best not to endorse them as preconditions for or a pathway by which sources market their goods on this forum .
Please keep the discussion active.
All of this needs to be discussed and hasn't yet. I mean, REALLY discussed.
I want to particularly emphasize the last point posted by Beezil. I've been saying all along, despite protestations by several members, that this isn't a source board. And really, that is the last thing you should want it to be too.
The extent to which it resembles one is the extent to which the sources are successfully exploiting this subforum and usurping the power from its real members.
joe0035
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beezil
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beezil
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Millard about 2 - 3 weeks ago I would of disagreed and said this is the perfect incubation chamber to find the best sources.
Your comment "the extent to which the sources are successfully exploiting this subforum and usurping the power from its real members" caught my attention particularly today as I stirred the pot a bit.
In light of recent events, I wonder who is a real poster and who is not. You can't identify friend or foe easily anymore and if you think you can know someone within just 3 - 6 months regardless of post count, its just being extremely naive. I now understand why a school of thought wants you to have the same handle across ALL boards. To keep track.
With the exception of members with longgggg histories like BB69, yourself and other long time Vets (and not Vets because they post alot) you may be interacting with a sophisticated source shill account.
The vetting process (lab pics, open labmax thread) and this thread were reasons why I thought a newcomer would need to have his A game.
But.... I started thinking.
A) How many labs on here are or were owned by the same group ? Biologic was said to be Herc. Some people are saying now Muscle is now Biologic. I've heard whispers PEP may be Ascendant.
B) How would I game the system if my profit margins were upwards of 500 % understanding demand and how much people want anabolics.
Its foolishly illegal and demand is high. I know your Google Analytics show a growing trend year over year. From ALL over the World. More and more people are understanding when to do anabolics it and how to do it safely. Thanks to people like Doc Scally, CBS, Dr Jim and other long time Vets with medical backgrounds or just plain smart / experienced folks whose posts are forever saved in your hosting's database. To a certain degree, an AAS revolution is happening as people become more enlightened (and more misinformed) with the Internet.
What I would do to Scam:
I'd start by creating an account a day. I'd log the login and password with something like Lastpass or Roboform. I'd log these accounts in a spreadsheet and setup multiple monitors having the spreadsheet always open with a cover story pre-written per account.
Writing is my strong suit and I'd probably have a partner, a chemist of some kind.
I'd also buy a series of old / broken or used lab equipment to include autoclave to pass the "pic" requirement. See some on eBay now:
Used Autoclave Sterilizer | eBay
I can go on and and explain my plot even further but if I can think of this.. anyone can.. and i've only been around about a year and a half.
Its really frustrating overall but at least we have a medium where we can slam a source if they suck. The information won't be removed.
How would you order assuming the hypothetical scenario where your the end user ?
Pick a safe country and order ? Ordering Internationally and you may receive a love letter from Customs. Also I suspect friendly countries incoming packages have extra steps for inspection. I think GETM (he was from a friendly country) was having a hard time shipping here and even went domestic here in the states.
Brew yourself ? A) You have to know how to do it. There are plenty of guides on the internet. You still need to find a good powder source and its taboo to ask period. B) Order enough and you can get roped for attempt to distribute even though you may just want to stockpile. Risk / Reward.
Go domestic ? Thats the most logical route but your risking now someone brewing in their bathroom. You also have a higher likelihood of shill accounts because a native speaker is more likely to know how to create unique persona's vs someone like Dan from GETM or the Chinese guy (forgot his name) from Legend.
Thanks for your time.
drockspang1
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Great thread here guys!
A lot of good ideas. This should be a sticky on the underground section.
Millard, I suggested this in a related thread(actually thought it was this one, but can't find it?). What about charging sources, even if its only a "one time" fee, and have that fee contribute to either labmax testing or something that benefits the members. I don't know if logistically, something like that is even possible? From my observation, a LOT of these ugl's that post up on Meso are fucking amateurs! Looking to make a quick buck, or some guy who home brewed for a while and now what's to branch out. I mean the amount of labs that post up here is almost comical. But it isn't, because guys money & health are on the line. I can't help but think Meso is an easy target for this because it costs these guys nothing to post up on here.
I think even a one time "start up" fee of $1000 would keep half of these guys from posting? Maybe not? There seems to be a TON of money to be made here.
I have a friend of mine who used to sell gear locally in the 90's. he's in his fifties now and pretty much gave that shit up. I got talking to him the other day and he said at his peak he was making between 4-5k/mo.... That was 20 years ago! And he was just basically selling on the side locally. He worked full time. He said he wishes the Internet was around in his day. He could of made "5x's" what he made.... That's a lot of dough. There is plenty of incentive for the labs to do what we want.
A lot of good ideas. This should be a sticky on the underground section. Millard, I suggested this in a related thread(actually thought it was this one, but can't find it?). What about charging sources, even if its only a "one time" fee, and have that fee contribute to either labmax testing or something that benefits the members. I don't know if logistically, something like that is even possible? From my observation, a LOT of these ugl's that post up on Meso are fucking amateurs! Looking to make a quick buck, or some guy who home brewed for a while and now what's to branch out. I mean the amount of labs that post up here is almost comical. But it isn't, because guys money & health are on the line. I can't help but think Meso is an easy target for this because it costs these guys nothing to post up on here.
I think even a one time "start up" fee of $1000 would keep half of these guys from posting? Maybe not? There seems to be a TON of money to be made here.
I have a friend of mine who used to sell gear locally in the 90's. he's in his fifties now and pretty much gave that shit up. I got talking to him the other day and he said at his peak he was making between 4-5k/mo.... That was 20 years ago! And he was just basically selling on the side locally. He worked full time. He said he wishes the Internet was around in his day. He could of made "5x's" what he made.... That's a lot of dough. There is plenty of incentive for the labs to do what we want.
SeaVee
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How about we go back to cash in mail? That worked out great. I miss the 100ml jugs of 1-test cyp.
Great thread here guys!
Millard, I suggested this in a related thread(actually thought it was this one, but can't find it?). What about charging sources, even if its only a "one time" fee, and have that fee contribute to either labmax testing or something that benefits the members. I don't know if logistically, something like that is even possible? From my observation, a LOT of these ugl's that post up on Meso are fucking amateurs! Looking to make a quick buck, or some guy who home brewed for a while and now what's to branch out. I mean the amount of labs that post up here is almost comical. But it isn't, because guys money & health are on the line. I can't help but think Meso is an easy target for this because it costs these guys nothing to post up on here.
I think even a one time "start up" fee of $1000 would keep half of these guys from posting? Maybe not? There seems to be a TON of money to be made here.
I have a friend of mine who used to sell gear locally in the 90's. he's in his fifties now and pretty much gave that shit up. I got talking to him the other day and he said at his peak he was making between 4-5k/mo.... That was 20 years ago! And he was just basically selling on the side locally. He worked full time. He said he wishes the Internet was around in his day. He could of made "5x's" what he made.... That's a lot of dough. There is plenty of incentive for the labs to do what we want.
Meso cannot profit from aas sources advertising- kind of against everything we do here (and may not be legal- a grey area at least)... every operation was a homebrewer at one time- that doesn't make the product bad or make them any more or less likely to scam us.
I would prefer to see MESO supported by donations only (similar to Wikipedia). This largely removes any conflict of interest. But I don't think this alone is a feasible way for MESO to achieve its objectives. Thus, it's advertiser-supporter.
Any advertiser-supported website, by its nature, creates a conflict of interest. Is the website beholden to the interests of the advertisers or the interests of its members/visitors?
Everyone should be aware of this potential conflict of interest.
MESO can and does assert that it will maintain an unbiased stance. But I think actions speak louder words.
With MESO's uncensored subforum and policy of full disclosure, members/visitors can see exactly what goes on. Members can publicly scrutinize the actions of MESO, discuss them and keep MESO honest.
Having said that, I have no moral objection to MESO having steroid sources/pharmacies as advertisers. Clearly, it would be the best way to monetize the site. However, there is a significant legal obstacle that precludes this.
In the U.S., it is illegal for websites to accept banner advertising for steroid pharmacies (or any pharmacy-type website that sells controlled substances on its domain).
All of your concerns are valid. While the nature of the androgen internet black market is disturbing, I think the best course of action is to do our best to understand it. And playing devil's advocate to speculate about ways that consumers can be scammed is a good step in the right direction. With increased awareness and knowledge comes better consumer safety and protection.
Thanks for taking to time to examine it from this perspective. I encourage other members to do the same. And don't forget this thread.
I figured it would be... while it's on the table are you set up to take donations?
Can I assume someone (PumpingIron22) from this thread decided to trash the "ripped force" thread as some kind of public service? Not that I care about that particular thread, but that kind of shit should get you banned.
joe0035
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Yeah thats quit a thread to read!
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