Source code of conduct rough draft

[SOLID1]

i still go back to...

if your money is safe... all the other items besides legit gear doesn't matter.

i could really care less how long it takes to get here... or how much i talk to my source.

back in the day...it took a month or so...

i just don't like worrying if i get my gear... after i have already sent money gram.

this disappears with escrow... SilkRoad pioneered this and thats why no one had problems... till DPR dropped the ball himself.

if your money is safe... you are not worried. Simple.

Guys... the source has no control.... The buyer has control. We have the money. if the source wants it... he has to put the protocol in place. just like SilkRoad did.

Its sad that the Rec and PED sources on SilkRoad were much more savvy then the PED's sources on these boards....

Beezils been killing it the last few posts !

 

[Candyskull]

Beezils been killing it the last few posts !

Beezil kills it a lot. That's a smart experienced mo fo right there.

 

[beezil]

thanks Guys.

To re hash... if the source goes bad...your money is safe!

it doesn't matter. no one gets hurt.

Escrow refunds your money.

We post up the source is bad... and move on.

main thing is... the MESO members are safe!

 

[SOLID1]

thanks Guys.

To re hash... if the source goes bad...your money is safe!

it doesn't matter. no one gets hurt.

Escrow refunds your money.

We post up the source is bad... and move on.

main thing is... the MESO members are safe!

Not sure how hard it would be to implement this but I think
it would keep the source in check no doubt.

 

[LiveFree]

i still go back to...

if your money is safe... all the other items besides legit gear doesn't matter.

i could really care less how long it takes to get here... or how much i talk to my source.

back in the day...it took a month or so...

i just don't like worrying if i get my gear... after i have already sent money gram.

this disappears with escrow... SilkRoad pioneered this and thats why no one had problems... till DPR dropped the ball himself.

if your money is safe... you are not worried. Simple.

Guys... the source has no control.... The buyer has control. We have the money. if the source wants it... he has to put the protocol in place. just like SilkRoad did.

Its sad that the Rec and PED sources on SilkRoad were much more savvy then the PED's sources on these boards....

I generally agree but what about safe and secure delivery? In other words, minimizing risk? I think this should be priority #1, followed by actually getting the gear. Time is also last on my priority list.

 

[beezil]

not hard... there is several escrow services online...

i linked to one...

i didn't look at it hard enough to see all the details of its use... but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find one that uses bit coin.

the biggest hurdle is getting the source to step up to the 21st century.

fuckem if they don't!!!

your security is paramount. personally, they should be using PGP exclusively. not only for our safety but their own.

if the source wont comply... its pretty evident what their intent is!! the learning curve isn't that steep.

hell to open a legit company the learning curve is a lot higher... not too mention the investment required... these guys are getting off easy. as well as reaping huge profits. with ultimately scamming the end user!!

i have no compromise for sources... nor will i accept free anything from them!

 

[stomps]

@beezil
Go ahead and make changes to my draft that's what it's there for
I didn't put escrow as mandatory as I know very little about it especially how to do it safely. Not the best when it comes to tech [)]

 

[beezil]

I generally agree but what about safe and secure delivery? In other words, minimizing risk? I think this should be priority #1, followed by actually getting the gear. Time is also last on my priority list.

agreed...

however, that goes back to escrow.

if the source doesn't pack securely and take the time to run a quality business... then he doesn't get paid. the money isn't released from escrow.

again pretty simple.

escrow forces the source to run a legit caring business. even though he is selling illegal substances.

 

[sl5x52009]

Mandatory requirements:

1. Pics and description of brewing process.

2.Secure email that that does not include safemail.
-a. Pgp encryption highly recommended

3. Full disclosure.
- a. Who are your reps/schills don't try to be sneaky we almost always catch
On
-b. If free gear is given name who it was given to

4. References. Do you source at other boards.

5. Sources limited to one thread pushing their product.

6. If source had a website it cannot be hosted in the U.S.

Highly recommended

1. Pgp encryption

2. Bit coin payment option

3. Set up an escrow service

4. Donate fund to labmax for random testing by members.

I'm a new member and all, but this sounds amazing. It seems like with this, a lot of risk concerning both parties efforts, could be eliminated. Also buyers would be more confident in what they were purchasing, which would be better for everyone.

 

[beezil]

@beezil
Go ahead and make changes to my draft that's what it's there for
I didn't put escrow as mandatory as I know very little about it especially how to do it safely. Not the best when it comes to tech [)]

no problem brother... i am just brainstorming with you guys.

i don't know how to do multiple quotes and all that stuff that you guys do...

one day i will learn... hopefully soon!!

 

[stomps]

no problem brother... i am just brainstorming with you guys.

i don't know how to do multiple quotes and all that stuff that you guys do...

one day i will learn... hopefully soon!!

There should be another button next to the quote button that has a " marks and a + sign hit that on all the quotes you want to put in one post then just hit the reply button

 

[beezil]

There should be another button next to the quote button that has a " marks and a + sign hit that on all the quotes you want to put in one post then just hit the reply button

thanks Stomps!

CBS just sent PM'd the instructions with graphics and all.

i really appreciate the help of the members on this forum!

 

[stomps]

thanks Stomps!

CBS just sent PM'd the instructions with graphics and all.

i really appreciate the help of the members on this forum!

He just had to one up me lol [)][)]

 

[Millard]

not hard... there is several escrow services online...

i linked to one...

i didn't look at it hard enough to see all the details of its use... but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find one that uses bit coin.

the biggest hurdle is getting the source to step up to the 21st century.

fuckem if they don't!!!

your security is paramount. personally, they should be using PGP exclusively. not only for our safety but their own.

if the source wont comply... its pretty evident what their intent is!! the learning curve isn't that steep.

hell to open a legit company the learning curve is a lot higher... not too mention the investment required... these guys are getting off easy. as well as reaping huge profits. with ultimately scamming the end user!!

i have no compromise for sources... nor will i accept free anything from them!

I think Beezil's recommendation of escrow would be a huge development for steroid buyers and sources. It would be a game changer. But I'm not very optimistic. Here's why...

You have to keep in mind that most escrow services (which are generally highly-regulated) for legal goods wouldn't work for controlled substances.

But there are escrow services catering to black market services. Escrow is one of the reasons that Silk Road was so popular. It was a standard practice for SR.

MESO was encouraged to start an escrow service about 10 years ago. And of course while it's a good business idea and would have been highly profitable, it's likely far "more illegal" and would invite considerable more scrutiny than even selling steroids.

A source selling steroids and/or controlled substances is one thing. But engaging in financial services that takes a cut of steroid sales for an entire marketplace of sources and consumers is on an entirely different level.

MESO obviously passed on this idea. Legal risks aren't very appealing here. No thanks. But I thought it was only a matter of time before some one did it.

I doubt the idea will be widely adopted any time in the near future in the steroid marketplace. Maybe only by a minority of buyers/sellers. Buyers and sellers in the AAS black market aren't even using Bitcoins and/other crypto-currency. Any smart escrow service catering to or otherwise suitable for an illegal steroid marketplace would only deal with Bitcoin or similar crypto-currency.

When everyone starts using Bitcoin, only then can you start looking for significant adoption of escrow services in the steroid marketplace.

There are escrow services that use Bitcoin e.g. http://btcrow.com/ (BTCrow.com) and Bitcoin-Escrow.net

Will this encourage steroids buyers to start using the crypto-currency?

 

[Millard]

i didn't look at it hard enough to see all the details of its use... but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find one that uses bit coin.

the biggest hurdle is getting the source to step up to the 21st century.

fuckem if they don't!!!

I don't think the weak link is necessarily the sources. Sources that accept bitcoin aren't exactly seeing the doors crashing down with demand for this payment option.

But really, escrow is such a good idea. Why wouldn't buyers rush to fund bitcoins if that made escrow possible?

What would happen if a source only accepted bitcoin + escrow?

Would they start to dominate the marketplace?

Or would buyers yawn and continue with business as usual?

Would this bitcoin stuff be too much of a hassle? (Ironic given the real inconvenience of WU.)

Would those invested in admin/mod/vet hierarchies and source boards starting attacking bitcoin and escrow to protect the status quo?

It's simple economics. Supply and demand. If buyers really want to use escrow (and by extension bitcoin), vendors will follow.

I don't know.

We'll see.

 

[jp4355]

agreed...

however, that goes back to escrow.

if the source doesn't pack securely and take the time to run a quality business... then he doesn't get paid. the money isn't released from escrow.

again pretty simple.

escrow forces the source to run a legit caring business. even though he is selling illegal substances.

I really do like the Idea of an Escrow Account. I'm just a little concerned how that would be put into practice (Safely).
Every day, I hear of another person getting beat by Supposedly Reputable people or Insurance Companies. Just look at the Stock Exchange, and all the Slime Balls, that have popped up over the years...............................JP
P.S.
Hopefully one can be found !

 

[beezil]

I don't think the weak link is necessarily the sources. Sources that accept bitcoin aren't exactly seeing the doors crashing down with demand for this payment option.

But really, escrow is such a good idea. Why wouldn't buyers rush to fund bitcoins if that made escrow possible?

What would happen if a source only accepted bitcoin + escrow?

Would they start to dominate the marketplace?

Or would buyers yawn and continue with business as usual?

Would this bitcoin stuff be too much of a hassle? (Ironic given the real inconvenience of WU.)

Would those invested in admin/mod/vet hierarchies and source boards starting attacking bitcoin and escrow to protect the status quo?

It's simple economics. Supply and demand. If buyers really want to use escrow (and by extension bitcoin), vendors will follow.

I don't know.

We'll see.

Millard,

thanks for taking the time to expand on what I was trying to say.

in my day to day business I use escrow and do not need the additional anonymity of bitcoin. Its so simple and protects both sides of the transaction.

however, in the purchase or sale of anything illegal... bitcoin should be used exclusively... as you stated.

If we just look at the past few months, just on MESO (as I don't frequent the others), If buyers used just these 2 mediums (bitcoin and escrow)... most of the worry would be gone in the transaction... but, It would take the buyer to force the source into conducting business this way.

I hope this can be a mandatory that buyers force on to the sources.

Time will tell.

thanks again for your input.

 

[beezil]

I really do like the Idea of an Escrow Account. I'm just a little concerned how that would be put into practice (Safely).
Every day, I hear of another person getting beat by Supposedly Reputable people or Insurance Companies. Just look at the Stock Exchange, and all the Slime Balls, that have popped up over the years...............................JP
P.S.
Hopefully one can be found !

agreed.

some due diligence would need to be done. but, that's the case in any transaction. blind following gets people in trouble.

That is the standard practice in todays black market AAS transactions. You trust that after you send your money... the source is going to send it to you.

The escrow service would need to be insured to do business and for the amount that they would be holding... 1000btc lets say. I would assume they would hold insurance per transaction just like insuring a shipment with FedEx.

Just like anything.... reading contracts and due diligence needs to be performed...but, it sure beats the SOP that is happening today between source and buyer.

as for the NYSE or currency manipulations that are going on now... your talking about anti trust laws being violated. A lot of key players in the international banking industry, congress, and senators will be going to jail for a long time. Look at the resignations that are coming out now... heck last week 4 bankers committed suicide.

blood in the streets!

 

[Millard]

I hope bitcoin starts catching on since it's virtually untraceable, but since it's subject to huge value swings there is a bit of a risk there. If you bought $1000 in bitcoin but it takes 3 days to clear an ACH and get converted, you can lose $200-$300 of value before payment is sent if a major country's central bank changes it's policy on crypto currency. If this happens, either the seller takes a hit (if payment is for a certain amount of bitcoin) or the buyer takes a hit (if payment is for a certain number of $, just transferred via bitcoin network). I'd like to see bitcoin as an option more often, but it's hard to mandate due to this reason.

This can definitely be an issue funding bitcoin. But as far as escrow is concerned, protections can be implemented to protect against price fluctuations while the funds are being held. For example, Silk Road offered "escrow hedging" to solve this problem:

Unfortunately, the Bitcoin exchange rate isn't as stable as we would all like it to be, and can fluctuate wildly in a matter of hours, let alone the days or weeks it takes for a package to arrive. Because of this, there is a real danger that the Bitcoins being held in your escrow account will lose value by the time your customers finalize their orders. So, we've given you the option to hedge the future payments you are expecting from escrow such that the dollar value of the payment doesn't change as the Bitcoin exchange rate changes.

For example, someone purchases one of your 10 btc listings. The dollar value of the order when purchased is $100. Now, a week later when the transaction is finalized, those 10 btc are no longer worth $100, they're worth $50! Because you hedged the escrow, you won't get paid 10 btc, you'll get 20 btc equaling the original value of $100. Of course, the opposite is also true. If Bitcoins appreciate in value while your payment is in escrow, you'll get fewer Bitcoins, but they will still equal the original dollar value.

I don't know if current Bitcoin escrow services offer this option. But they should.

 

[®®®]

I hope bitcoin starts catching on since it's virtually untraceable, but since it's subject to huge value swings there is a bit of a risk there. If you bought $1000 in bitcoin but it takes 3 days to clear an ACH and get converted, you can lose $200-$300 of value before payment is sent if a major country's central bank changes it's policy on crypto currency. If this happens, either the seller takes a hit (if payment is for a certain amount of bitcoin) or the buyer takes a hit (if payment is for a certain number of $, just transferred via bitcoin network). I'd like to see bitcoin as an option more often, but it's hard to mandate due to this reason.

While bitcoin is interesting, it's certainly not untraceable. If you use a particular key to purchase something, and there is any proof that it is tied you to, you can see the exact path that the coins went. Where this would come in to play, say a source uses a key for deposits, and for some dumb reason, keeps notes or user information attached to that key that sends funds to his address, it is now tied too you. So yes, you would need to be caught using a key to be caught, but in that regard, cash is equally untraceable. Some people use bitcoin tumblers to muck up the history of coins spent or received.

The only way that bitcoins are untraceable, are in mined/unspent coins.