10Y BnC PCT RECOVERY + AFTERMATH HELP

[Mads]

Hello fellas. Im looking for educational advice for my upcoming "blast" which revolves around a large PCT, non suppressant drugs and finally natural remedies (mostly following vigerioussteves' natural HPTA supplement suggestions).

About myself: Been BnC'ing for the past 10 years. Just turned 29 and I want to attempt to completely restore my HPTA and stay away from AAS and other HPTA suppressants.
I live in Denmark where you simply cant hit up your doctor or endocrinologist and expect TRT or HCG therapy. The reference range of testosterone in Denmark is 11 - 34 nmol/L.
A doctor would tell someone like myself who wants to come off and restore HPTA function to go completely clean and NOT DO A PCT (since its "an extension of my steroid abuse"). If i managed to get TRT by being clean for several years and still not being within the reference range they would offer me 250mg e14d which is absolutely fucking retarded medical practice, but hey thats how they do it here. My country is ages behind the western hormonal practice of male androgen therapy.
Another fun fact: In Denmark 99% of gyms are subscribed to Anti Doping Denmark (ADD). This organization will have their drug testers show up in the centers and require a urine sample if you look too big and menacing (or you will get banned from all centers if you deny it). If the sample shows signs of androgens you will be banned from the remaining 99% of gyms in Denmark. Absolutely grotesque.

My entire PCT will be logged and posted on MESO with complete blood tests. It consist of:

6 months of HCG 1000 units ED + aromasin dialed in accordingly.
Followed by daily enclomiphene and tamoxifene for another 2 months

During this time and afterwards I want to run anabolic agents WHICH ARE NON SUPPRESANT TOWARDS MY HPTA. I am still looking for suggestions so please HIT ME UP GUYS! EDUCATE ME! I am not interested in AAS anymore. Ideally I would run stuff like:

Enclomiphene for additional LH and testosterone.
HGH + insulin
Injectable L-Carnitine and glutathione.
Possibly non suppressant peptides? LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS. Educate me, please-
VigerousSteve "FULL NATTY HPTA PROTOCOL": KSM-66, Fadogia Agrestis, Boron, Vitamin C, D3 and E. Magnesium Bisglycinnate, Selenium, Taurine and zinc. (Tongkat Ali is not legal either).

I have no interest in coming back on. Its been a wonderful 10 years of blasting all sorts of anabolics but as of now im only interested in restoring my HPTA.
Looking for feedback and educational advice. I will still be working out and dieting but I have no desire to look like a bodybuilder anymore. Simply a new chapter.
Thanks, please give me feedback be positive or negative.

 

[amazonas]

I know you will hate this question, but since you've been suppressed for so long, it's highly unlikely to get back to feeling normal again. You will feel miserable for a long time and you might not even recover with the PCT.

So i'm curious, why don't you spare yourself that headache and just do TRT with Test U once every 10-14 days instead? It's easy to find pharma bayer nebido Test U and pinning it so infrequently won't bother you at all.

I respect your decision of going completely off, but for me the decision of being on TRT for the rest of your life is something you already took and knew the risks, before you started all of this, or at the very least when you started blasting 19nors. And you're almost 30 years old, so it's not too bad of an idea.

Also you don't want to look like a bodybuilder anymore, but still interested in taking HGH + insulin?

 

[Mads]

I know you will hate this question, but since you've been suppressed for so long, it's highly unlikely to get back to feeling normal again. You will feel miserable for a long time and you might not even recover with the PCT.

So i'm curious, why don't you spare yourself that headache and just do TRT with Test U once every 10-14 days instead? It's easy to find pharma bayer nebido Test U and pinning it so infrequently won't bother you at all.

I respect your decision of going completely off, but for me the decision of being on TRT for the rest of your life is something you already took and knew the risks, before you started all of this, or at the very least when you started blasting 19nors. And you're almost 30 years old, so it's not too bad of an idea.

Also you don't want to look like a bodybuilder anymore, but still interested in taking HGH + insulin?

So iv ordered so much shit over the years that several addresses are already blacklisted. Im done with this game of cat and mouse. Iv had too many packages caught in customs and too many addresses burnt for me to continue to order androgens home. I just want peace at this point, no more illegal packages. Danish customs are something else.

It is my understanding that HGH + Insulin wont have the same hyper anabolic effect when you are not on androgens. It mostly comes down to me having a shit ton of HGH left and I cant make myself throw it out like i did with all my AAS. Thanks for your reply tho i appreciate it.

 

[Henchus maximus98736]

10 years? And you want recovery? Fucking hell mate.

Take it from me. Even if you could recover, the suffering you will go through will not be worth it.

40 and finally recovered? Fuck that mate.

TRT live the dream.

 

[MA11]

There is no reason why you can't try to come off.

Give it time as it was said here:

Poll about successful recoveries (achieving same or more TT than pre-cycle)

Only for true PCT people that spend good amount of time off allowing full recovery. Bloodwork should be taken 3 months after SERMs because TT levels on SERMs aren't your true levels. And how many cycles have you been doing that and recovering fully? Thanks

thinksteroids.com

I am an advocate for HGH and think this would absolutely supplement your journey.

However, I am not a big fan of many other supplements like KSM, tongkat, etc.
All you get is diarrhea and an empty wallet.

Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[ksm2]

If i were in your situation, i would just book a hotel for 2 weeks in germany, order raws from eu domestic to the hotel and drive back to denmark. Everything else you should be able to source in denmark.

Why let some retarded laws ruin your quality of life?

 

[gainslol]

If i were in your situation, i would just book a hotel for 2 weeks in germany, order raws from eu domestic to the hotel and drive back to denmark. Everything else you should be able to source in denmark.

Why let some retarded laws ruin your quality of life?

This is the best solution. Test raws can last very long.

 

[marsupial]

You scandanavians have my sympathies. Not only is the “anti doping” extreme, your neo-communist economies all seem terrible for quality of life

 

[marsupial]

If i were in your situation, i would just book a hotel for 2 weeks in germany, order raws from eu domestic to the hotel and drive back to denmark. Everything else you should be able to source in denmark.

Why let some retarded laws ruin your quality of life?

lol most people in America couldn’t even take two weeks off that easily even if it’s for a one time thing ordering raws. Doubt most Europeans could do the same

 

[UncleBuns]

Hello fellas. Im looking for educational advice for my upcoming "blast" which revolves around a large PCT, non suppressant drugs and finally natural remedies (mostly following vigerioussteves' natural HPTA supplement suggestions).

About myself: Been BnC'ing for the past 10 years. Just turned 29 and I want to attempt to completely restore my HPTA and stay away from AAS and other HPTA suppressants.
I live in Denmark where you simply cant hit up your doctor or endocrinologist and expect TRT or HCG therapy. The reference range of testosterone in Denmark is 11 - 34 nmol/L.
A doctor would tell someone like myself who wants to come off and restore HPTA function to go completely clean and NOT DO A PCT (since its "an extension of my steroid abuse"). If i managed to get TRT by being clean for several years and still not being within the reference range they would offer me 250mg e14d which is absolutely fucking retarded medical practice, but hey thats how they do it here. My country is ages behind the western hormonal practice of male androgen therapy.
Another fun fact: In Denmark 99% of gyms are subscribed to Anti Doping Denmark (ADD). This organization will have their drug testers show up in the centers and require a urine sample if you look too big and menacing (or you will get banned from all centers if you deny it). If the sample shows signs of androgens you will be banned from the remaining 99% of gyms in Denmark. Absolutely grotesque.

My entire PCT will be logged and posted on MESO with complete blood tests. It consist of:

6 months of HCG 1000 units ED + aromasin dialed in accordingly.
Followed by daily enclomiphene and tamoxifene for another 2 months

During this time and afterwards I want to run anabolic agents WHICH ARE NON SUPPRESANT TOWARDS MY HPTA. I am still looking for suggestions so please HIT ME UP GUYS! EDUCATE ME! I am not interested in AAS anymore. Ideally I would run stuff like:

Enclomiphene for additional LH and testosterone.
HGH + insulin
Injectable L-Carnitine and glutathione.
Possibly non suppressant peptides? LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS. Educate me, please-
VigerousSteve "FULL NATTY HPTA PROTOCOL": KSM-66, Fadogia Agrestis, Boron, Vitamin C, D3 and E. Magnesium Bisglycinnate, Selenium, Taurine and zinc. (Tongkat Ali is not legal either).

I have no interest in coming back on. Its been a wonderful 10 years of blasting all sorts of anabolics but as of now im only interested in restoring my HPTA.
Looking for feedback and educational advice. I will still be working out and dieting but I have no desire to look like a bodybuilder anymore. Simply a new chapter.
Thanks, please give me feedback be positive or negative.

Did you take HCG during those 10 years?

 

[ksm2]

lol most people in America couldn’t even take two weeks off that easily even if it’s for a one time thing ordering raws. Doubt most Europeans could do the same

Most EU countries have 4-5 weeks paid vocation, so it's quite possible to do. My point was to show OP another way (getting raws once and homebrewing) to avoid the constant ordering of vials to a high risk country.

European Union legislation mandates that all 27 member states must by law grant all employees a minimum of 4 weeks of paid vacation.

List of minimum annual leave by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[marsupial]

Yea forgot they have better pto

 

[lukiss96]

I know you will hate this question, but since you've been suppressed for so long, it's highly unlikely to get back to feeling normal again. You will feel miserable for a long time and you might not even recover with the PCT.

This is my biggest fear and the reason I will probably never come off synhetic Testosterone, unless I absolutely have to due to health reasons or trouble having kids or some yet unknown to me life changing/altering experience.

TRT live the dream.

This is much better option.

 

[DoctorX]

I know you will hate this question, but since you've been suppressed for so long, it's highly unlikely to get back to feeling normal again. You will feel miserable for a long time and you might not even recover with the PCT.

So i'm curious, why don't you spare yourself that headache and just do TRT with Test U once every 10-14 days instead? It's easy to find pharma bayer nebido Test U and pinning it so infrequently won't bother you at all.

I respect your decision of going completely off, but for me the decision of being on TRT for the rest of your life is something you already took and knew the risks, before you started all of this, or at the very least when you started blasting 19nors. And you're almost 30 years old, so it's not too bad of an idea.

Also you don't want to look like a bodybuilder anymore, but still interested in taking HGH + insulin?

I came off after 7 or 8 years from blast and cruising and after a year I recovered . I didn't do any pct. I didn't feel miserable at all. Even a few weeks from coming off I felt fine. I was still jerking off Or having sex 2x a day Orgasms were less powerful for a month or 2.

I am back on now but iv come off in the past without any issues recovering

 

[amazonas]

I came off after 7 or 8 years from blast and cruising and after a year I recovered . I didn't do any pct. I didn't feel miserable at all. Even a few weeks from coming off I felt fine. I was still jerking off Or having sex 2x a day Orgasms were less powerful for a month or 2.

I am back on now but iv come off in the past without any issues recovering

Yes but i highly doubt your levels got back to normal again, so you didn't actually recover? You know... you can feel fine on 200ng/dl, but that doesn't mean you have recovered.

My friend blasted and cruised for this long and is now on doctor prescribed HRT because he couldn't get his levels beyond 200ng/dl no matter what.

I personally wouldn't waste the 10 years i've spent on my body for this.

 

[UncleBuns]

Yes but i highly doubt your levels got back to normal again, so you didn't actually recover? You know... you can feel fine on 200ng/dl, but that doesn't mean you have recovered.

My friend blasted and cruised for this long and is now on doctor prescribed HRT because he couldn't get his levels beyond 200ng/dl no matter what.

I personally wouldn't waste the 10 years i've spent on my body for this.

Well your friend is your friend and @DoctorX Is who he is. They are different people with different genetics and what they're blasting cruising days looked like and their overall health status and many other details are completely different. You can collect a lot of data from a lot of guys in a similar situation and get some rough percentages for your odds but to look at a single individual and what happened to them and try to apply that to yourself is pretty worthless.

I don't get why people are telling @Mads That his plan is pointless. Nobody knows. It seems worth trying if that's what he wants to do. If it works out then great and if it doesn't then you just pivot and go to plan B. Some guys will fully recover and some will not recover at all and most of us will probably be somewhere in the middle.