18 -> 21 of 3 Years Natural Lifting, Prepped 20 Week Cycle.

[ahotname]

Hey y'all. I'm 21 years old with 3 years of solid natural lifting under my belt. I wanted to ask everyone about my full plan for my first cycle and how I plan to go about it. I've been doing a lot of research (past 3-4 weeks around 3+ hours a day reading). I'm 5'10 (178cm) @16% BF and 220lbs (~100kgs).

First Cycle: 24 Weeks Test C to PCT

200mg Test C (Pin 2x/Week): 4-6 weeks then get bloodwork
IF clear, up to 300 Test C (Pin 2x/Week): Again 4-6 weeks then get bloodwork
IF clear again, will finally up to 400mg Test C (still 2x/week): Will get bloods and cruise for the remaining time on cycle.
Once at 22 weeks, lower dosage by half for 2 weeks at a time (400->200->100->50) until at TRT dose of probably less than 50mg/week.
- Add HCG at 50mg of T with HCG @250iu ED or 500iu EOD. Will be using enclo at 6.25mg ED or 12.5mg EOD when HCG is added.

Please lmk what y'all think or how you feel about this. Would love some insight and pointers!
-Thanks y'all!

 

[BoloYang2023]

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Hey y'all. I'm 21 years old with 3 years of solid natural lifting under my belt. I wanted to ask everyone about my full plan for my first cycle and how I plan to go about it. I've been doing a lot of research (past 3-4 weeks around 3+ hours a day reading). I'm 5'10 (178cm) @16% BF and 220lbs (~100kgs).

First Cycle: 24 Weeks Test C to PCT

200mg Test C (Pin 2x/Week): 4-6 weeks then get bloodwork
IF clear, up to 300 Test C (Pin 2x/Week): Again 4-6 weeks then get bloodwork
IF clear again, will finally up to 400mg Test C (still 2x/week): Will get bloods and cruise for the remaining time on cycle.
Once at 22 weeks, lower dosage by half for 2 weeks at a time (400->200->100->50) until at TRT dose of probably less than 50mg/week.
- Add HCG at 50mg of T with HCG @250iu ED or 500iu EOD. Will be using enclo at 6.25mg ED or 12.5mg EOD when HCG is added.

Please lmk what y'all think or how you feel about this. Would love some insight and pointers!
-Thanks y'all!

so i just gotta ask why cycle at 21? just my opinion do you plan on competing like at a Olympia level?

 

[ahotname]

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so i just gotta ask why cycle at 21? just my opinion do you plan on competing like at a Olympia level?

Have really wanted to step up my level to possibly compete. I've been doing everything progressively right with effective gains but sadly I feel its not to the speed I want to see. I understand the time and safety of staying natty, I just want to get to a size unachievable if I stayed natty. Effectively wanted to test the waters with a relatively controlled first cycle.

 

[BoloYang2023]

ok thats fair, i just had to ask as i am sure the more people that read this will wonder the same thing. As well as some will say to stay lifting for another 2 years first then dabble. How is your diet? do you have your maintence kcals figured out and if so do you know what kind of surplus your gonna eat at? Looking for a super lean bulk? but i say go for it just get your bloods done and moniter it all closely

 

[ahotname]

so my maintenance is around 3400kcals and my bulk is expected to be just under 4k. I've been cutting and expect to get even leaner so I have no problem with staying low bf during the bulk. I expect to start my cycle in august after another bulk and cut coming up. I stay close on my diet trust.

 

[BoloYang2023]

GL hf Get big

 

[Fattyone]

I wouldn’t titrate for a newb.

I also wouldn’t run that long for a newb who’s PCT’ing.

Pick a dose and stick to it. 250-500. At your age you’d be an idiot to shut yourself down for that long with 200mg a week.
But then again you might be an idiot for cycling at 21.


Get bloods before and have ALL of your pct drugs BEFORE starting.

 

[BoloYang2023]

i called it lol

 

[BigTomJ]

Way over complicated. There is no reason to titrate.
- pick a dose 300-600mg per week and stick to it.
-have proper AI and serm on hand is needed
-get bloodwork 4-5weeks in (for test c and e) to check aromatization.
-simply take your dose to the end and let the half life titrate for you.

 

[ahotname]

Well here's my reason for it: Slowly build into higher dosage to see when i aromatize or when I think. Bloods to check ofc. Also slow and low at first hence the longer term

 

[Fattyone]

see when i aromatize or when I think

You’re gonna raise your estrogen levels. It’s gonna happen. It needs to happen. Estrogen is VERY important. It is needed for gains, brain and heart health/protection as well as a fuck ton more.
Don’t be scared of estrogen. Especially with such low doses.

Don’t titrate. Don’t take an AI unless you need it.
Don’t start your cycle without all your pct drugs.

 

[DECLAN]

Don’t do it man, you’re 21, tons of progress left. Show us a pic of what 3 years of progress has done to your physique.

It’s tempting to jump on a cycle right away but you will be disappointed if you haven’t figured out diet and training yet like most of us here when we were at your age.

Be proud that you have been lifting 3 years already and have not jumped on cycle like sone of the guys on here, however, that doesn’t mean you should. I think you’re too young to jeopardize your reproductive chances and natural hormone production.

Please research aas effects on humans thoroughly before proceeding.

 

[BigTomJ]

Well here's my reason for it: Slowly build into higher dosage to see when i aromatize or when I think. Bloods to check ofc. Also slow and low at first hence the longer term

You would need to titrate in 4-5 will increments to actually be able to access tolerance at a particular dose.

There's a reason why a 300-600 first cycle dose is what's so universally recommended.

It's because essentially every human male can tolerate that dose without insane sides or extreme estrogen control regimen.
It's a dose where it's high enough to be effective and get you results, but tame enough that you can really pay attention and learn from it.

 

[BigTomJ]

Don’t do it man, you’re 21, tons of progress left. Show us a pic of what 3 years of progress has done to your physique.

It’s tempting to jump on a cycle right away but you will be disappointed if you haven’t figured out diet and training yet like most of us here when we were at your age.

Be proud that you have been lifting 3 years already and have not jumped on cycle like sone of the guys on here, however, that doesn’t mean you should. I think you’re too young to jeopardize your reproductive chances and natural hormone production.

Please research aas effects on humans thoroughly before proceeding.

Also this,

I didn't take my first shot until I was 28 and with nearly a decade of serious and consistent training. And I still could have pushed the natty thing further if I wanted to.

You do what you want, but you really want to put it off for as long as possible

 

[ahotname]

Don’t do it man, you’re 21, tons of progress left. Show us a pic of what 3 years of progress has done to your physique.

It’s tempting to jump on a cycle right away but you will be disappointed if you haven’t figured out diet and training yet like most of us here when we were at your age.

Be proud that you have been lifting 3 years already and have not jumped on cycle like sone of the guys on here, however, that doesn’t mean you should. I think you’re too young to jeopardize your reproductive chances and natural hormone production.

Please research aas effects on humans thoroughly before proceeding.

You would need to titrate in 4-5 will increments to actually be able to access tolerance at a particular dose.

There's a reason why a 300-600 first cycle dose is what's so universally recommended.

It's because essentially every human male can tolerate that dose without insane sides or extreme estrogen control regimen.
It's a dose where it's high enough to be effective and get you results, but tame enough that you can really pay attention and learn from it.

Also this,

I didn't take my first shot until I was 28 and with nearly a decade of serious and consistent training. And I still could have pushed the natty thing further if I wanted to.

You do what you want, but you really want to put it off for as long as possible

Appreciate the thoughts.
I am still hesitant and have many aspect that I really am considering. Partial thinking has to do with my want to progress on a higher level with the idea being that a natty physique is not necessarily what I'm chasing. Again I'm still taking time to consider all options and possibilities. @BigTomJ Would going in at 300 then jumping to 400 be fine after 4-6 weeks in @300 and bloodwork? Also an indicator for me also is that I don't believe I want a family or that life. I'm sure many young guys my age say that and its a "young guy" thing to say but in the long run I can't imagine being a family man. Again thanks for feedback y'all!

 

[Fattyone]

I'm sure many young guys my age say that and its a "young guy" thing to say but in the long run I can't imagine being a family man. Again thanks for feedback y'all!

Hell bent on titrating huh.


You won’t care about this now, which is fine. But at 21 I thought I had the world figured out. I knew who I was, I knew what I wanted. I was a grown damn man. At 25 I realized how foolish I was at 21, but now I had figured it out. As 30 rolled around I realized how foolish I was at all of those ages. I still haven’t figured everything out but I can tell you with 110% certainty that what you think you know now is wrong.
You’ll look back one day and realize how naive you were at this age. Hopefully none of those naive decisions now will keep you from fulfilling your future dreams.

Maybe you’ll never regret any of this though. Just know you *might* be creating a problem now that your future self might not be able to fix.

 

[BigTomJ]

Appreciate the thoughts.
I am still hesitant and have many aspect that I really am considering. Partial thinking has to do with my want to progress on a higher level with the idea being that a natty physique is not necessarily what I'm chasing. Again I'm still taking time to consider all options and possibilities. @BigTomJ Would going in at 300 then jumping to 400 be fine after 4-6 weeks in @300 and bloodwork? Also an indicator for me also is that I don't believe I want a family or that life. I'm sure many young guys my age say that and its a "young guy" thing to say but in the long run I can't imagine being a family man. Again thanks for feedback y'all!

No. There is no point at all to titrating.
Go straight to 400.

Idk why you got the idea, maybe watching to many MPMD videos.


For the record I didn't expect to want a family at 21 either, I didn't decide I wanted a family until I met my now fiance.
Perspectives change, consider it carefully

 

[Lculebra]

24 semanas me parecen demasiado, eres joven no te hagas daño haciendo locuras de 24 semanas.

 

[Thecabanaboy]

Sounds like you have a solid plan. Why rush into killing your natural production of test?
21 is young your mind and body are still developing.
Gear is a life long decision.
I would stick to natural remedies or try some peptides.
I learned the hard way.
If you jump on the cycle make you have an exit strategy.
PTC!!

 

[TurtleTank]

I lifted over a decade before pinning, and only started pinning once I had gone a year or two without making gains and tried everything regarding diet, training cycles, etc. before making the decision that I just couldn’t settle for my natural limit.