1st time on TREN - Advice needed...

[Ariesstar80]

Hi Just looking at some quality advice, been awhile seen cycled was looking at cycling last year however with another new arrival to the family postponed the idea.


Now that establish a routine again with diet/training and have lost some unwanted weight. I’m looking at continuing with a recomp and due to few joint pains (mainly supraspinatus, external rotation painful) looking at a bit of support. First time trying TREN


My stats are:

Age: 39
Weight: 77kg
Height: 173cm
BF%: 13% ( via BIA measurements)
Lifting: since 20s on and off
Cycles: 4 previous cycles with long gaps inbetween.


New course.

Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg - 75mg ED
Week 1-8 Test P 100mg EOD
Week 1-8 Tren A 100mg EOD
Week 1-7 NPP 200mg EW (joint relief)

Week 3-8 Proviron 50mg ED
Week 2-8 Arimidex .25mg E2D
Week 1-7 HCG 250iu E3D

PCT (pharmacy grade)
5 days after last pin

Clomid 75/50/50/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I have 2 questions, all opinions are most appreciated.

1. Does the cycle look right?
2. Looking at adding Salbutamol should I wait till after PCT or add in the cycle ?

Thank you again.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

DBol seems high; 50mg should be plenty. Test could be a tad low, but that’s preference. 350 is a perfect starter dose for tren. But at 550 total 19-nor a week and only 350 test you may see some sides, that’s individual so just be aware.

 

[Ariesstar80]

DBol seems high; 50mg should be plenty. Test could be a tad low, but that’s preference. 350 is a perfect starter dose for tren. But at 550 total 19-nor a week and only 350 test you may see some sides, that’s individual so just be aware.

Thank you for the advice @Mac11wildcat. Do you think i should lower the NPP to 100mg. Would that still help with joint relief ?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Thank you for the advice @Mac11wildcat. Do you think i should lower the NPP to 100mg. Would that still help with joint relief ?

Can’t say for certain, would have to experiment for yourself. You’ll know pretty quick with short esters if the 19-nors are guna turn your dick into a wet noodle. If it does, back off the npp (I always find npp/deca to be the culprit not tren) or up the test.

 

[Ariesstar80]

Can’t say for certain, would have to experiment for yourself. You’ll know pretty quick with short esters if the 19-nors are guna turn your dick into a wet noodle. If it does, back off the npp (I always find npp/deca to be the culprit not tren) or up the test.

Thank you!
Yes will play it by how wet a noodle I get haha.
If so will look to increase test by 200mg EW. So 550mg 19nor and 550test.
Thanks again.

Any advice on the salbutamol? With cycle, after cycle ?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Thank you!
Yes will play it by how wet a noodle I get haha.
If so will look to increase test by 200mg EW. So 550mg 19nor and 550test.
Thanks again.

Any advice on the salbutamol? With cycle, after cycle ?

No personal experience unfortunately. Somebody else will chime in.

 

[Ariesstar80]

No personal experience unfortunately. Somebody else will chime in.

No probs! Thank you for previous advice though

 

[Big_paul]

Your result will be lean gains. If you are looking for mass increase test.

 

[Ariesstar80]

Your result will be lean gains. If you are looking for mass increase test.

Hey Paul thank you.
I’m looking for the minimum doses really. Due to being off it for such a long time I feel receptors will be clean enough to elicit good gains.
May reduce the Dbol to 25mg for 3weeks and if tolerated move up to 50mg for another 3weeks.
Diet and training is on point now so hoping to achieve good progress with the added help of a few tried and tested supps

 

[Eman]

Any advice on the salbutamol? With cycle, after cycle ?

It doesn't really make any sense to add during this cycle... I would add it post cycle if you intend to enter into a calorie deficit.

 

[Ariesstar80]

It doesn't really make any sense to add during this cycle... I would add it post cycle if you intend to enter into a calorie deficit.

Thank you @Eman. Yes will see how Tren is as it’s my first time, on it.

 

[Eman]

Yes will see how Tren is as it’s my first time, on it.

Even better reason to avoid a stimulant. You have no idea how you'll react to either of them.

 

[Ariesstar80]

Even better reason to avoid a stimulant. You have no idea how you'll react to either of them.

True! Will wait after PCT if needed. Thank you

 

[Test_Subject]

I'd drop the NPP and up the test, personally. Tren can be an... intetesting compound.

I wouldn't complicate things with a second 19nor this run. See how you react to tren first. Same goes for adding a stimulant: if tren makes you go off the rails, a stimulant on top of it is not going to make life fun for you.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

Thank you for the advice @Mac11wildcat. Do you think i should lower the NPP to 100mg. Would that still help with joint relief ?

I've read Deca at 100mgs proven to relief joint pain. However, you're obviously using the short ester. Will you be pinning eod? I'd go 50mgs eod to put you at 175mgs pw and you'll get the collagen synthesis you want, yes.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

You could always just go Test Iso / or PP and NPP. If diet is in check, you'll have a nice, round, cut, full look. Diet will be key in this however.
2 19 nors after not cycling for a while can be tricky. Any Caber on hand?

 

[CompoundLifts31]

I'd drop the NPP and up the test, personally. Tren can be an... intetesting compound.

I wouldn't complicate things with a second 19nor this run. See how you react to tren first. Same goes for adding a stimulant: if tren makes you go off the rails, a stimulant on top of it is not going to make life fun for you.

Well said.

 

[88general88]

Hi Just looking at some quality advice, been awhile seen cycled was looking at cycling last year however with another new arrival to the family postponed the idea.


Now that establish a routine again with diet/training and have lost some unwanted weight. I’m looking at continuing with a recomp and due to few joint pains (mainly supraspinatus, external rotation painful) looking at a bit of support. First time trying TREN


My stats are:

Age: 39
Weight: 77kg
Height: 173cm
BF%: 13% ( via BIA measurements)
Lifting: since 20s on and off
Cycles: 4 previous cycles with long gaps inbetween.


New course.

Week 1-4 Dbol 50mg - 75mg ED
Week 1-8 Test P 100mg EOD
Week 1-8 Tren A 100mg EOD
Week 1-7 NPP 200mg EW (joint relief)

Week 3-8 Proviron 50mg ED
Week 2-8 Arimidex .25mg E2D
Week 1-7 HCG 250iu E3D

PCT (pharmacy grade)
5 days after last pin

Clomid 75/50/50/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I have 2 questions, all opinions are most appreciated.

1. Does the cycle look right?
2. Looking at adding Salbutamol should I wait till after PCT or add in the cycle ?

Thank you again.

Drop the dbol to 30 mg and bring the npp to 300 assuming you have npp 100mg/ml. Reason being if you are going to throw it in the mix you want to keep your levels as even as possible, if you feel like that going to be to much then maybe look at .5cc eod so that would be dbol 30mg Ed and npp 50-75mg a week. I didn’t see any protection for you 19nor’s. or liver protection. Otherwise looks good. I personally don’t like Nolvadex and clomid. I stick to hcg and arimidex, and 400-600mg of b6, 30mg of Zinc A, For my pct. but that’s just me. Oh and it was recommended by a doctor friend.

 

[Ariesstar80]

I'd drop the NPP and up the test, personally. Tren can be an... intetesting compound.

I wouldn't complicate things with a second 19nor this run. See how you react to tren first. Same goes for adding a stimulant: if tren makes you go off the rails, a stimulant on top of it is not going to make life fun for you.

Hey @Test_Subject ive only added the NPP for the joint relief aspect of it. I know with Deca in the past was a long recovery so was debating to leave it however could really use the collagen synthesis hence using a shorter ester. Does Tren help in anyway with joint relief ?

 

[Ariesstar80]

I've read Deca at 100mgs proven to relief joint pain. However, you're obviously using the short ester. Will you be pinning eod? I'd go 50mgs eod to put you at 175mgs pw and you'll get the collagen synthesis you want, yes.

Hey @PaulW29 yes the idea was to pin it all EOD so 1ml Test 1ml Tren and .5ml NPP (got 2.5ml plunger)